What in the hell does that have to do with usQuote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
What in the hell does that have to do with usQuote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
BS quit making shit up. " I've heard a lot of reports...." what the hell ever dude just stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by 99jc
Yeah its all one kids fault. The kid who plays as hard as anybody we have. GTFOQuote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
Yeah maybe after the war he didnt but Longstreet fought many a more battle with Lee after Gettysburg.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
I just don't see it happening but if our team bails on a new coaching staff after 5 games they are really going to struggle with the remainder of their lives.
If there is dissension amongst the teams it's time for the team leaders to step up. I think we have a few good leaders but I wonder if we have enough for a struggling team. A lot of our guys seem pretty low key.
We still got that 9-win ban bet?Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
The Greys were not under Pickett. They were under Gen Pettigrew. Both Pickett and Pettigrew were Division Commanders in Longstreet Corps during Picketts charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
I don't remember anyone saying that we're better on defense than Alabama.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
The bottom line on a defense is points allowed. We're allowing 13 points a game. Everything else is just nitpicky semantics. Like allowing 13 points to Florida- and the only TD on a trick play. But dammit- they didn't have any three and outs! Unacceptable!**
Even if we are playing one dimensional offenses at least we're not letting them score a lot on us.
What I'm saying is ... if it don't improve we gonna get smoked when we face good offenses. Those ain't good offenses ... at all!Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
So if you want to keep saying "Well we good on D", we'll see what you say when TAM lays 42 on us, or a not-so-great LSU lays 28 on us, or Bama lays 7211 (that's 7 thousand 2 hundred 11).
And if we hold them to 21 or less I'm sure you'll find something wrong with someone not laying the wood enough. Or their technique. Or whatever else you can cook up.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Woo hoo ... we beat SFA 63-6, KSU 31-10, and ULL 56-10. Boy I'm feeling good now. Our offense is AWESOME, our defense is AWESOME ... everything is, well, just, AWESOME.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I wish this "I fear he has lost the team". and there is player dissension wouldn't be posted on a public message board, but it is what it is I guess. All that does is possibly hurt our recruiting, and accomplishes nothing. It also makes that bunch up the road happy, and gives them something to possibly use against us,. If this is actually factual, then some things just need to be kept quiet. At least not be posted on a public message board. IMO
Seems like what is mostly said by some our offensive players and offensive coaches alike is we need to execute the plays. That would be we need to communicate better, block better, get separation on pass routes, etc. Maybe his offense is too complicated, and it's too tough a learning curve, for our current players, or maybe our players were reading all the preseason accolades, and hopefully a light bulb has come on that showed that what you did last year doesn't win SEC games this year. Whatever, I think JoeMo will make some necessary changes to hopefully put our players in a better position to be successful, and that transfers to the execution on the field.
What I don't understand is why some of our players are saying noise is an issue on the offensive line. If that's the case then they are really going to be in for a shock when they walk out on the field at Tiger Stadium. Everybody should experience that Tiger Stadium crowd at night at least one time during their lifetime.
Enough already. I'm as upset as anyone but this crap is just beating a dead horse and is counter productive. Whine, whine, whine.....MSU fans in their natural element.
Go ask your source then what he thinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
And you?re really dumb as hell if you think 1?s practice against each other on game weeks outside of HS ball. It?s obvious you don?t know how the college game works. Stay in Rankin county.
All I?m saying is this...my information is pretty damn accurate. The team wants KT just like they wanted Damian. Fitz fits one offense and one offense only and that?s Mullen?s.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
And to go with Bucky..the practices are soft. Look at where most of the guys come from- 2 NFL guys (who don?t have to stay on guys as hard), a D-3 school QB coach, and a OL coach from Duke. Screams soft.
No argument from me. I detest this staffQuote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
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Originally Posted by BankerDog
LOL So some people would think that our NO 1 Defense would change this week to what Auburn runs on their defense and our NO 1 Offense would run what Auburn's offense runs. In walks the scout team. We are the ones who do that.
Curiously left out the 13 to Florida.**Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
You haven't heard shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by 99jc
Let's say Johnson is that bad... It falls back to JoMo's scheme. If he observes O lineman out of position on certain plays. He should step in an correct it. JoMo should let his OC do his job and oversee implementation as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Joe IS the OC.Quote:
Originally Posted by BhamDawg205
I wonder if having those NFL guys hurt by downplaying the importance of each game in the season? They?re used to just trying to make it to the playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
The team does not want KT over Fitz. Hell, if they do this team is further lost than expected. KT is lost in the playbook
There lies the problem... Too much on his plate and FYI Luke Getsy is listed as OC/ WR coachQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
https://hailstate.com/coaches.aspx?r...&path=football
Pettigrew was a division commander under Hill (received command of the division after Heth was wounded.) Trimble's division was under Hill as well, which is why Longstreet thought Hill should lead the attack since 2 of the 3 divisions were under Hill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Longstreet had his chance at Gettysburg on Day 2, but issued a countermarch on a narrow road that cost half the day to get into position. His attack still was brutal, but he allowed more federal troops to arrive before the attack.
Lee should have listened to Longstreet. He should have tried to get between Meade and Washington and forced Meade to attack him. The Union position at Gettysburg was immensely strong. Lee slipped from the ranks of truely great generals in my mind the first time I went to Gettysburg and saw the ground. I think he fell into the trap of thinking he and his army were invincible.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdDawg
There are a lot of decisions that could have been made differently. This would probably be a great discussion to have on the BS board as I don't want to hijack this thread too much, and history being one of my favorite topics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
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Originally Posted by BhamDawg205
You are correct, but ask Getsy and he will tell you that JoeMo calls the plays. JoeMo may get some input from other coaches, but he makes the final play call.
I’m a firm believer in Jimmies and Joes win games. We have failed to execute some big plays. But this offensive product is on Joe. The product is terrible right now. That’s All a coaching problem. Grantham kicked Joe ass last week.
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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
This is just a crazy talking point. We knew we had question marks at WR, but these players moved the ball with no receivers last year against everybody but UGA and Auburn and to a lesser extent Bama. We should have been able to grind out points on the ground this year against everybody but Auburn and Bama and maybe LSU and A&M.
We had basically 8 wins locked up if we just didn't screw up the running game this year. Give our offense any help at all and we probably win the UK game something like 24-14 and UF game something similar or worse. I get people not wanting to act like the sky if falling because we have not been successful at transitioning offenses, but this is primarily a coaching failure. We have tools on offense that and they've been unable to utilize them. Certainly UK and UF would have switched offensive rosters with us in a heartbeat if they'd been given the opportunity before the season.
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Originally Posted by Hambone
Yeah, but what does it matter? It's a good thread to initiate on a MSU Messageboard. Really helps our recruiting too. ****
I wouldn't think your starting SR QB being suspended for the 1st game is a very good example of a leader either. I had a bad feeling about leadership when this news broke. Crap like this plays with the pshycy of a team, whether you think so or not.
Long Streets Corps had three divisions one under Hood, one under McLaws and the other under Pickett. Hood and McClaws were badly damage the second day but Pickett did not arrive until the night of the second day. Lee wanted Longstreet to lead the charge in the Center on the third day. So Lee gave Longstreet two Divisions that were under Trimble and Pettigrew at the time to give Hood and Mclaw a break and to keep Longstreet's Corps up to strength. The 11th Mississippi Regiment in which the Oxford Greys was a company of was part of Pettigrew Divison. The entire Regiment was wiped out.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdDawg
Longstreet was given the responsibility for the attack and placed in charge, but Pettigrew and Trimble's divisions were never formally in the 1st Corps. This type of thing actually happened a good bit where commanders would ask for brigades/divisions from other leaders in battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Longstreet did not want to take overall leadership for the attack because 2 of the divisions belonged to Hill's 3rd Corps.
Yes Longstreet's other divisions were heavily engaged the July 2nd, but no division were formally reorganized into another corps.
I know when longstreet's divisions arrived, my statement about his chance on the July 2 was separate from the Pickett's charge comment.
By the way there are great battlefield walk videos on YouTube from Gettysburgnps. Ranger Matt Atkinson is from Mississippi and is a great listen in his battlefield walks and lectures.
I started a Gettysburg thread on the BS board if anyone wanted to discuss that part of history in detail. Jack, I think you and I are basically on the same page but just discussing semantics.
My original statement was that the Greys were not under Pickett. Pickett was not in charge during the charge on the center of the third day but Longstreet was. Why they called it Picketts charge is debatable but I think it was really to protect Longstreets name. The Greys were under Pettigrew but did get wiped out. I wasn't trying to argue I was just pointing out that the 11th Mississippi was not brigade with a Virginia Regiments. Picketts division only had infantry regiments and artillery batteries from Virginia.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdDawg
That's the point, he's so involved in play calling he's slipping in the attention to detail department. Show me a successful program where the head coach is bogged down in coordinating duties. He should be walking around holding his staff accountable for not implementing his vision correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by yjnkdawg
Uh...Mullen here for the last 9 years called the plays. Lincoln Riley is at OK. Several pro coaches do it and are very successful. Payton, McCarthy, Pederson to name 3Quote:
Originally Posted by BhamDawg205
You are always so full of sh1t!
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Originally Posted by 99jc
I think this a stupid ****ing thread and I think you morons going on a bout greys and generals should STFU and take that shit to a different board. But that’s just my opinion. Lock this shit out and delete it. If I want a war lesson I will go to a war museum.
If players on the team are bitching about it then its probably a problem. This isnt the NFL. You have to prepare in practice. Im sorry you must be Moorhead or his wife. Rankin county is pretty badass btw. Aint a team in rankin county coached as bad as MS State is rnQuote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog