We All Underestimated How Good Mullen Was

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09-30-2018, 09:55 AM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Maybe Mullen didn't play aeris then to make the aeris the player he became.

I'm not arguing that point .. just saying that's why I complained then. The thing we lacked in '15 more than anything was a running game.
09-30-2018, 09:55 AM
MetEdDawg

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

Damn you sound like croom after the Tulane game. We have put up 400 yds in 2 games. I have no idea what those other coaches would have done but bet damn sure they would have put up more than 400 yds of offense. Hell Troy won at LSU and at Nebraska this year. App state damn near beat penn state.
I?m sure your a great guy and I respect you all I?m saying is get your head out of the sand and understand we made a bad hire

Then Auburn better fire Malzahn today because he's done as bad as us against worse teams. It just so happens they won because they played Arkansas and Southern Miss.

I'm not rushing to judgment after 5 games. We at least had track record of Croom before Tulane. We literally have less than half a season of Moorhead.

How many of you thought Scott Frost was a good coach? Does Nebraska all of a sudden suck that bad? I don't think so. Takes time folks. We all are shocked when other programs don't give guys time yet some were ready to cut Moorhead after 4 games.
09-30-2018, 10:04 AM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

You must've been living under a rock for the past 9 months if you don't think a good portion of the fan base underestimated Mullen. Maybe not you, but many many did.

Last 9 months? There are a lot of folks on here being quiet who wanted Mullen gone in 2013, in 2015 and after USA in 2016. I believe they coined phrases like The Country Club, Checkdown Charlie, Danny Two-Gloves, etc.

The absolute worst part of all of this is that all the people outside MSU who believe that Dan Mullen the miracle worker is the only reason MSU could win are for the moment being proven right.
09-30-2018, 10:09 AM
BB30

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Then Auburn better fire Malzahn today because he's done as bad as us against worse teams. It just so happens they won because they played Arkansas and Southern Miss.

I'm not rushing to judgment after 5 games. We at least had track record of Croom before Tulane. We literally have less than half a season of Moorhead.

How many of you thought Scott Frost was a good coach? Does Nebraska all of a sudden suck that bad? I don't think so. Takes time folks. We all are shocked when other programs don't give guys time yet some were ready to cut Moorhead after 4 games.

Nebraska went 4-8 last year... We won 9 games. Nebraska is a complete rebuild, we are not.

I was one of those that felt we undervalued Mullen the last few years. Obviously if he hadn’t shopped around most years I think the fan base wouldn’t have been as frustrated with him. Is what it is. Hopefully we can get back on track.

I’m here to eat my crow. I really thought we would bounce back this week and win. This is a complete disaster.

Let’s hope our defensive players don’t pack it in for the draft. If they do it could get ugly.

I do think Moorhead could be a decent coach but we are paying for him to learn on the job and that’s not what we needed at this point. Extremely frustrating.
09-30-2018, 10:14 AM
Coach007

Don't throw me into "we all" just because you now have a revelation.
09-30-2018, 10:14 AM
Todd4State

If Joe doesn't win here he would be the first coach since the 50's to not have a winning season here. A lot of coaches can win here. And if people think a coach that didn't want to be here was going to reach our ceiling- I don't know what to tell people other than that's not right.
09-30-2018, 10:22 AM
Dawg61

Is this the losers patting themselves on the back and trying to goat C34 to return thread?
09-30-2018, 10:25 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Is this the losers patting themselves on the back and trying to goat C34 to return thread?

C34 and ISID in hiding. They built this staff up to be belichick level lol
09-30-2018, 10:26 AM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

If Joe doesn't win here he would be the first coach since the 50's to not have a winning season here. A lot of coaches can win here. And if people think a coach that didn't want to be here was going to reach our ceiling- I don't know what to tell people other than that's not right.

Just because a coach has an agent who is doing his job does not mean that he does not want to be here. Is it possible, in your mind, that the agent and the coach knows how fickle a fan base can be and knows that they need to get the money while they can?

Maybe fans will learn.
09-30-2018, 10:28 AM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by msstate7

C34 and ISID in hiding. They built this staff up to be belichick level lol

They aren't returning anytime soon so why does everyone keep trying to goat them back onto the board to take some medicine?
09-30-2018, 10:32 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Coach007

Just because a coach has an agent who is doing his job does not mean that he does not want to be here. Is it possible, in your mind, that the agent and the coach knows how fickle a fan base can be and knows that they need to get the money while they can?

Maybe fans will learn.

There is a right and a wrong way to do that. Dan did it the wrong way. You don't go active job seeking while your season is still going on. That's unprofessional.

And if you want to be somewhere you don't look for jobs every offseason five years in a row.
09-30-2018, 10:38 AM
bulldawg28

I am still a Mullen fan.
09-30-2018, 10:41 AM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

There is a right and a wrong way to do that. Dan did it the wrong way. You don't go active job seeking while your season is still going on. That's unprofessional.

And if you want to be somewhere you don't look for jobs every offseason five years in a row.

No he didn't. Our OWN Coach was in contact with us during the season. That's the way it actually works. That's why those that don't end up WAY behind in recruiting for a year.

Mullen is gone, and that ship has sailed. I'm just saying ya'll got your wish. Now live with the results until we either Moorhead figures it out or we replace him.
09-30-2018, 10:49 AM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Coach007

No he didn't. Our OWN Coach was in contact with us during the season. That's the way it actually works. That's why those that don't end up WAY behind in recruiting for a year.

Mullen is gone, and that ship has sailed. I'm just saying ya'll got your wish. Now live with the results until we either Moorhead figures it out or we replace him.

Mullen let Ole Miss dog piss on our field, intentionally break our QBs ankle, intentionally try to break our backup QBs ankle, totally disrespect our fans and team for 4 quarters on Thanksgiving night and did absolutely nothing to try to stop it. He bolted on Nick without going to check on him in the hospital. He's a forever piece of dog shit for that. 17 Dan Mullen and 17 anyone patting themselves on the back trying to tell other bulldog fans "I told you so" right now. Mullen was offered $6 million dollars a year by us. That's like $12 million dollars in anywhere outside of Starkville money.
09-30-2018, 10:53 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Coach007

No he didn't. Our OWN Coach was in contact with us during the season. That's the way it actually works. That's why those that don't end up WAY behind in recruiting for a year.

Mullen is gone, and that ship has sailed. I'm just saying ya'll got your wish. Now live with the results until we either Moorhead figures it out or we replace him.

Don't worry. You can get your wish and get Mullen back in about three years. Which would be the most MSU thing ever. I can live with the results because I know and am OK firing a failing coach at any time. Hiring Rick Ray didn't destroy our basketball program- neither will Joe destroy our football program.

And again there is a right and a wrong way to handle changing jobs. Dan handled it the wrong way. And if he was still here this season would have ended much the same way as 2014-2017.
09-30-2018, 10:55 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Mullen let Ole Miss dog piss on our field, intentionally break our QBs ankle, intentionally try to break our backup QBs ankle, totally disrespect our fans and team for 4 quarters on Thanksgiving night and did absolutely nothing to try to stop it. He bolted on Nick without going to check on him in the hospital. He's a forever piece of dog shit for that. 17 Dan Mullen and 17 anyone patting themselves on the back trying to tell other bulldog fans "I told you so" right now. Mullen was offered $6 million dollars a year by us. That's like $12 million dollars in anywhere outside of Starkville money.

But you fans don't get it.**

Joe may not be the answer. But as far as growing our program Dan wasn't the answer anymore either.
09-30-2018, 11:01 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

But you fans don't get it.**

Joe may not be the answer. But as far as growing our program Dan wasn't the answer anymore either.

I actually agree with this.
09-30-2018, 11:09 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Don't worry. You can get your wish and get Mullen back in about three years. Which would be the most MSU thing ever. I can live with the results because I know and am OK firing a failing coach at any time. Hiring Rick Ray didn't destroy our basketball program- neither will Joe destroy our football program.

And again there is a right and a wrong way to handle changing jobs. Dan handled it the wrong way. And if he was still here this season would have ended much the same way as 2014-2017.

If you hope he won't win at Florida you are going to be very disappointed.
09-30-2018, 11:10 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I actually agree with this.

We hit our ceiling under Mullen. We may not hit it again for a long time
09-30-2018, 11:11 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by msudawg1200

I?ve never said Mullen wasn?t good, but it wasn?t anything he did special to beat us. It was the bumbling giant on our sideline that did that.

They totally changed their approach at half time. Florida was a train wreck last year. They aren't good now, but the improvement is remarkable.
09-30-2018, 11:13 AM
Dawgs87

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Originally Posted by BB30

Nebraska went 4-8 last year... We won 9 games. Nebraska is a complete rebuild, we are not.

I was one of those that felt we undervalued Mullen the last few years. Obviously if he hadn?t shopped around most years I think the fan base wouldn?t have been as frustrated with him. Is what it is. Hopefully we can get back on track.

I?m here to eat my crow. I really thought we would bounce back this week and win. This is a complete disaster.

Let?s hope our defensive players don?t pack it in for the draft. If they do it could get ugly.

I do think Moorhead could be a decent coach but we are paying for him to learn on the job and that?s not what we needed at this point. Extremely frustrating.

I come off as a pessimist, but i'm a realist. I feel certain they will pack it in after yesterday. What incentive do they have? We already know Sweat and Simmons will be 1st rounders. Why would they risk getting injured playing their hearts out for a crappy team. I'm sure that love State, but not enough to risk millions of dollars. Think Jadaveon Clowney and Leonard Fournette. We live in an incentive based, "What have you done for me lately?" society.

Like Boobie said vs Kentucky in his post game:

https://i.postimg.cc/dVt7YPwd/boobie.gif
09-30-2018, 11:18 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

But you fans don't get it.**

Joe may not be the answer. But as far as growing our program Dan wasn't the answer anymore either.

Growing a program from where we came from was never going to be a straight shot up. Mullen got us to where we were bowling in down years. The trajectory for the program was still going up.
09-30-2018, 11:18 AM
Spiderman

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I think it's clear that we took him granted and never realized how much garbage and lack of talent he covered up.

Just look at the evidence:

- Last night Florida's OL can't block us. What does he do? All quick passes. Gets the ball out of the QB's hands with quick reads.

- 2010 vs Florida, has a QB that can't throw and beats Florida at the swamp without throwing in the 2nd half.

- 2015 he has a 160 lb running back and decides to throw all year.

We can complain all day about why Mullen didn't recruit better but it's more than evident that he was willing to adapt his offense to the strengths and weaknesses of the team and it's clear that we never gave him enough credit for that and that JoMo May not have the ability do that.

No, we all didn't
09-30-2018, 11:20 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

There is a right and a wrong way to do that. Dan did it the wrong way. You don't go active job seeking while your season is still going on. That's unprofessional.

And if you want to be somewhere you don't look for jobs every offseason five years in a row.

What kind of rock do you live under? Good grief. If that were the case nobody in any field would ever change jobs as long as they had one.
09-30-2018, 11:23 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

If you hope he won't win at Florida you are going to be very disappointed.

Win in terms of what he did here? Yes he will. The problem is he actually has to win championships there and that's where he will fail. 9-3 with a loss to Georgia simply isn't acceptable there. At MSU that gets you a 6 million dollar extension.
09-30-2018, 11:25 AM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Growing a program from where we came from was never going to be a straight shot up. Mullen got us to where we were bowling in down years. The trajectory for the program was still going up.

He left on his own dude that means he wasn't the answer anymore. We offered him $6 million dollars. That's almost 3x what Joe is getting. He barely beat Joe and we could only muster 200 yards of offense. Hell Mullen doesn't even beat Joe if Osirus could catch a damn wide open touchdown. Mullen is still gonna skull****ed by Georgia and LSU every single year and he'll lose more than he should to Kentucky and Missouri. He can ride 9-4 seasons there for awhile but eventually they will get hungry for more just like we did only much faster. It's the nature of the beast.
09-30-2018, 11:27 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

What kind of rock do you live under? Good grief. If that were the case nobody in any field would ever change jobs as long as they had one.

Hiring is part of my job duties at work. People can change jobs and there is nothing wrong with that. But as I have said there is a right and wrong way to do it. Dan literally did everything wrong. You don't actively admit to seeking jobs if you have one already which he did by not denying that he was talking to people. At most places you get fired for that. We tried to give him a raise.

And then when you leave a place on good terms you don't give your team a two minute "well, bye" speech.
09-30-2018, 11:31 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Growing a program from where we came from was never going to be a straight shot up. Mullen got us to where we were bowling in down years. The trajectory for the program was still going up.

He didn't do anything that Jackie didn't. And Jackie won more games and a SEC West Title.
09-30-2018, 11:33 AM
Dawg2003

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Growing a program from where we came from was never going to be a straight shot up. Mullen got us to where we were bowling in down years. The trajectory for the program was still going up.

I thought maybe Mullen hit his ceiling, but I'm not at all convinced that the program itself hit its ceiling under Mullen. Football is just so much different than baseball or basketball as far as chances to win a natty. We are also severely disadvantaged at recruiting because we have to go against Ole Miss, Bama, and LSU. Auburn and LSU recruit at a much higher level than us and still go 8-4. They still struggle to get an SEC Championship. It's just so much less fluid with who can actually win a championship in football.
09-30-2018, 11:34 AM
Dawg2003

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Win in terms of what he did here? Yes he will. The problem is he actually has to win championships there and that's where he will fail. 9-3 with a loss to Georgia simply isn't acceptable there. At MSU that gets you a 6 million dollar extension.

I think he is capable of winning a natty at FL. I guess we'll see in the coming years. Either way, he wanted to try.
09-30-2018, 11:41 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Dawg2003

I think he is capable of winning a natty at FL. I guess we'll see in the coming years. Either way, he wanted to try.

I think he is capable from a potential standpoint but he has too many issues that I doubt he will change that will allow him to do it.
09-30-2018, 11:45 AM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Mullen let Ole Miss dog piss on our field, intentionally break our QBs ankle, intentionally try to break our backup QBs ankle, totally disrespect our fans and team for 4 quarters on Thanksgiving night and did absolutely nothing to try to stop it. He bolted on Nick without going to check on him in the hospital. He's a forever piece of dog shit for that. 17 Dan Mullen and 17 anyone patting themselves on the back trying to tell other bulldog fans "I told you so" right now. Mullen was offered $6 million dollars a year by us. That's like $12 million dollars in anywhere outside of Starkville money.

Oh? so Mullen let them break his ankle? Are you listening to what you are saying? He did check on Nick. Stop with the crap.

The fact is people got their wish. Now we have to either choose as fans to support the current coach or again actively seek to replace him.
09-30-2018, 11:49 AM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

They totally changed their approach at half time. Florida was a train wreck last year. They aren't good now, but the improvement is remarkable.

Grantham has majorly improved that defense. They are now at #19 in defense. If people don't see the improvements on their offense, they are blinded by misplaced hate for Mullen
09-30-2018, 11:49 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I think he is capable from a potential standpoint but he has too many issues that I doubt he will change that will allow him to do it.

Or maybe what we saw as issues won't be the same problem at Florida that they were here.
09-30-2018, 11:52 AM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Coach007

Oh? so Mullen let them break his ankle? Are you listening to what you are saying? He did check on Nick. Stop with the crap.

The fact is people got their wish. Now we have to either choose as fans to support the current coach or again actively seek to replace him.

I didn't see Mullen fighting for our team that night. I saw him bend over and take it from OM & Luke and then walk out on his team and seriously injured QB a day later.
09-30-2018, 11:53 AM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Coach007

Grantham has majorly improved that defense. They are now at #19 in defense. If people don't see the improvements on their offense, they are blinded by misplaced hate for Mullen

Lol they've played Kentucky and us with our currently most dysfunctional offense in all of P5 football.
09-30-2018, 11:56 AM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Hiring is part of my job duties at work. People can change jobs and there is nothing wrong with that. But as I have said there is a right and wrong way to do it. Dan literally did everything wrong. You don't actively admit to seeking jobs if you have one already which he did by not denying that he was talking to people. At most places you get fired for that. We tried to give him a raise.

And then when you leave a place on good terms you don't give your team a two minute "well, bye" speech.

That's 100% not true. My wife had a returning contract every year and still went to all interviews set up for her.

You are showing the proof of why people in these types of positions do what they do. If he never took interviews, then 2 things happen:

1- People stop calling as often.

2- Once fans turn (like you) their value decreases and that effects them personally.

None of that means that they did not and will not do their jobs. If they didn't, then their value drops. If you don't value yourself, nobody else will either. That is the nature of this business.
09-30-2018, 11:58 AM
Commercecomet24

Look Mullen is a good coach, no doubt about it. Wish he would've stayed but he didn't want to be here for several years now. We didn't fire him. He left. He was given big money, facilities and support here. He left, he's gone and not coming back. Whether you like him or not, Everyone needs to move on. We got problems that have to be fixed here NOW!
09-30-2018, 11:58 AM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by smootness

Or maybe what we saw as issues won't be the same problem at Florida that they were here.

+1
09-30-2018, 12:00 PM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Look Mullen is a good coach, no doubt about it. Wish he would've stayed but he didn't want to be here for several years now. We didn't fire him. He left. He was given big money, facilities and support here. He left, he's gone and not coming back. Whether you like him or not, Everyone needs to move on. We got problems that have to be fixed here NOW!

+1

It's just a shame to see fans still blaming Mullen.... for winning here.

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