Nick has had some red flags

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Originally Posted by Captain Falcon

Dak Prescott has had several very public incidents that our fans have given him a total pass for. Fitz doesn’t get a dang mohawk and gets suspended for one game and all of the sudden he’s a bad person with red flags all around.

He screwed up. He is serving his suspension. The coaching staff is very pleased with where he is, and our team voted him captain after the fact. That’s all there is to it. Why do our own fans have to make this out like he is a cancer to our team?

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You nailed it. And I don't understand it. Yes, Nick is not as humble and nice as Dak on first impression but he's on pace to be statistically better in some categories than Dak. If Nick and the team has a better season this year than Dak's 2014 and 2015 I'd personally have to say that Nick was a better player.


The thing is on two of those red flags Damien Williams was stirring up trouble with the QB controversy and it was Damien's beard that Bob said something about that got him riled up. On the QB controversy Dan still started Nick during the USA game so he obviously must have blown Damien away using Dan's rigged system per Baker Swedenburg's sixpack post. Then he pulls Nick after what? 1-2 series and doesn't play him the rest of the game at all. And then names Nick the starter the next day after the game- so you know it had nothing to do with how anyone practiced that week. And then all of a sudden Nick was good the rest of the year. I don't see how Dan being an idiot with the QB depth chart is Nick's fault.


And on the Bob thing- as I said Nick didn't start it. Did he make fun or treat Bob bad after that? I don't know for sure, but if he did- and I have no reason to doubt that he treated Bob bad- it wasn't like he was the one who started it and he was hardly the only guy making fun of Bob on the team. That doesn't make making fun of Bob C right- but if we're going to pin that on Nick the other players need to take as much responsibility for it as well.


Now the mohawk- Nick IS dating a beauty pageant girl who did tell him on Twitter to not get it cut after her pageants. I'm guessing that she's also the main reason for him not getting one. Even if I'm wrong- if I was on the team, I wouldn't be sitting in the huddle like "Gee, I don't trust Nick on this 4th and one because I remember he didn't get a mohawk." Yeah- Nick is getting flak from the baseball team about it. But he's also got a pageant girl as a girlfriend and they and the other people here who "don't think he's a man and can't trust his word" aren't. All I'm saying is you can call me untrustworthy in exchange for me dating Miss South Carolina any day and every day of the week.


I will say that his suspension is very disappointing and what he did was dumb. But he will be fine. Hopefully he learns a lesson from this and we all move forward. Shoot- Bear Bryant benched Joe Namath for a bowl game and Namath turned out OK. Some QB's are like Bond, Manziel, Namath, Stabler, and Nick. They like to party, they're probably pretty cocky and confident people because of the nature of what they do athletically, and that's just the way it is. Enjoy their talents on the field and don't care as much about the "person" they are off the field. I'm not paying money to watch John Bond drive off in a Corvette with beer. All of these guys have issues- there aren't very man clean cut ones- Brady, Favre, DAK all of have done their share of idiotic things.

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Originally Posted by Captain Falcon

Dak Prescott has had several very public incidents that our fans have given him a total pass for. Fitz doesn’t get a dang mohawk and gets suspended for one game and all of the sudden he’s a bad person with red flags all around.

He screwed up. He is serving his suspension. The coaching staff is very pleased with where he is, and our team voted him captain after the fact. That’s all there is to it. Why do our own fans have to make this out like he is a cancer to our team?

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Dak Prescott never got himself suspended for a game, especially not his senior year. Not a valid comparison.

I don't care about the mohawk and I'm not going to hold a long-term grudge, but it's an absolutely terrible look for the leader of our team to do something bad enough for this level of punishment.

Dak was no saint but if he had gotten suspended for the first game of his senior season he would have caught some grief from fans. The dui (which was later dropped) was after his eligibility had expired. Dak was also constantly doing things to endear himself to the fan base and to people in general. There are different ways to lead. Fitz seems to have the respect of his team and that is all that really matters. I was at USM when Favre was there before I transferred to State. Pretty much everyone that met him personally did not care for him but they loved him on Saturday.

Dak is treated differently than everyone else because he was the first real national QB we've basically ever had (Fitz #2), he led us to our very first and only #1 ranking ever and he's the starting QB for the Dallas Cowboys. To say Dak isn't treated differently is lying. Dak is our Peyton Manning. He just is. Do I think he'll forever be the goat QB at State? Nope I think we have a string of them that have real potential to surpass him and his accomplishments here at State but it's gonna be awfully tough to surpass him perception wise in this fanbase unless one of these next 3 becomes the starting QB for the Giants or Saints and wins a Super Bowl. Even then though Dak might have one by that time.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Beast - some good stuff as always - but you know me I've got to push back some on this some.

In light of the Baker Swedenberg thread on SPS I think there is a lot here that we have to unpack. If Dan was is as Swede writes - he created a lot of conflict situations that could have been avoided. If Dan was playing favorites, had players he was trying to drive out, etc., coouldn't he be to blame? Would almost make you think D Williams and Fitz were pitted against each other because ole Two Gloves didn't want to deal with it like a man?

We also don't know what type of expectations Dan set - and what he allowed favorites to get away with. If Fitz missed a meeting - and was used to Dan letting that stuff slide (especially for a guy putting in hours on rehab) - then Fitz is actually doing more as a leader by taking the punishment and setting the tone.

I still view the haircut thing as joke between friends that got out of control. I have had a number of times in life when a dumbass friend committed me to something stupid just to see how I would react. You go along with it to a point - and then they give you shit when you break. That just happens on social media now and we all see it because we are all freaky vouyers now.

And yeah - I'm throwing shit against the wall, but the reality is everyone outside a small circle of people is too. We all know that most of us don't have sources good enough sources to really give deep insight on this.

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All good really reasonable points Brunswick. And its not like I don?t like Fitz. I just have some criticisms

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Dak is treated differently than everyone else because he was the first real national QB we've basically ever had (Fitz #2), he led us to our very first and only #1 ranking ever and he's the starting QB for the Dallas Cowboys. To say Dak isn't treated differently is lying. Dak is our Peyton Manning. He just is. Do I think he'll forever be the goat QB at State? Nope I think we have a string of them that have real potential to surpass him and his accomplishments here at State but it's gonna be awfully tough to surpass him perception wise in this fanbase unless one of these next 3 becomes the starting QB for the Giants or Saints and wins a Super Bowl. Even then though Dak might have one by that time.

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What it boils down to is that Dak came/comes across as a nice guy, was fan friendly, and seemed to like kids. Fans liked him. Fans like Nick too, but he doesn't seem to have quite the humility of Dak.

Shit- I'm trying not to post but you guys pull me back in.

Dakota Prescott is a natural leader and a damn hard worker. His teammates see that he will work just as hard as any player on the team- so not only does he get respect for being the QB- he gets respect for being one of the hardest workers on the team.

Fitz is super talented and the other players respect him. But he isnt their die-hard leader. He is the pretty-boy super talented QB that does work fairly hard. But he likes to party hard also. So the other players love him because he plays hard and parties hard. Thats why he is a captain. He is a smaller version of Michael Irvin at QB, But he has to realize that being an SEC QB has its microscope and Johnny Manziel has made it tougher on partying QB's. NFL clubs are more leary.

Word out of camp is that there is a clear gap between Fitz and Thompson- so his job isnt in jeopardy. But hopefully he has realized that partying needs to take a backseat to winning the SEC title. Only 4 QB's have had a chance to win the SEC Title in my lifetime- Bond, Madkin, Prescott, and now Fitz. He better take advantage of that chance.

"But what if you can party hard and win the SEC?"
- signed Joseph William Namath

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Shit- I'm trying not to post but you guys pull me back in.

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Could you please start 17ing posting again?

Whatever point you were trying to make has been made & it's time to move on.

We need you here

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Shit- I'm trying not to post but you guys pull me back in.

He is a smaller version of Michael Irvin at QB,

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Surely he isn't as wild as Michael Irvin. I'm a hoping not.

Exactly, it wasn’t Fitz who caused a scene about Bobs story, it was Williams.

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Surely he isn't as wild as Michael Irvin. I'm a hoping not.

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Every Dallas Cowboy to this day still says that Michael Irvin is the best practice player they have ever had. He was a practice warrior.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Could you please start 17ing posting again?

Whatever point you were trying to make has been made & it's time to move on.

We need you here

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Not until I get my percentage back and Scooba is gone

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Every Dallas Cowboy to this day still says that Michael Irvin is the best practice player they have ever had. He was a practice warrior.

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I was meaning off the field.

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Not until I get my percentage back and Scooba is gone

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I will be starting a new Miss State board this Fall. We will let things fall where they will. Dont bet against me

I?m convinced we?ve got the worst damn fans in football because of s hit like the OP posted.

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I will be starting a new Miss State board this Fall. We will let things fall where they will. Dont bet against me

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What will the new site's policy be towards fruit-themed nicknames?**

Good luck...I'm sure there will be plenty of rubes ready to swear fealty.

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Exactly, it wasn’t Fitz who caused a scene about Bobs story, it was Williams.

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That's the way I remember it too. Some players were being petty about Bob's comments, but I don't think Fitz was one of them. The whole thing was meant to be all in fun.

I am going to have to disagree. The dude has been in the spotlight and a shadow from Dak at the same time. Give the dude a break. He should have a mohawk though.

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What will the new site's policy be towards fruit-themed nicknames?**

Good luck...I'm sure there will be plenty of rubes ready to swear fealty.

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You're probably my favorite poster on this board except when you respond to C34 posts. Can you PM him please and get it all out and then permanently bury the hatchet. Thanks.

I guess yall think that Dak was an angel or maybe yall dont remember the guy that won the heisman trophy last year did some things on camera that some would call less than gentlemanly.

I dont want a gentleman on my team, I want a fighter thats what Fitz is. Was what he did wrong? Yes. And he is paying the price for it. We are fine. Its a strong statement from Moorhead and only makes me feel better about him suspending arguably the best QB in school history for his first game

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Exactly, it wasn?t Fitz who caused a scene about Bobs story, it was Williams.

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Fitz was right in the middle of it antagonizing and crowing if twitter. Crazy part was he wasn?t even in the article since he shaves.

Fitz had some issues when he first got here, and a lot of kids on the team did not like him because he didnt have the best work ethic (they had been with Dak for 5 years) but the QB controversy was squarely on Mullen and there should have never been one.

If Mullen leaves Fitz in vs USA and does his same ol shit with him we beat them by 21 points. But Mullen had to be Mullen and dick it up. Williams was never and SEC QB the QB whisperer thought he could make him one but Williams was bad at Texas St. It was never going to happen

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Fitz was right in the middle of it antagonizing and crowing if twitter. Crazy part was he wasn?t even in the article since he shaves.

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I don’t remember this at all. I remember Williams getting very upset about it but I don’t remember Fitz saying a word. I could be damn wrong though. Just stating it how I remember.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Dak Prescott never got himself suspended for a game, especially not his senior year. Not a valid comparison.

I don't care about the mohawk and I'm not going to hold a long-term grudge, but it's an absolutely terrible look for the leader of our team to do something bad enough for this level of punishment.

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Agree, and Dak is no saint but he hasn't really had "public" incidents that he has been given passes for. The biggest thing he ever had that i knew about was the DUI that seemed bogus from the start and wasn't even administered properly by the arresting officer so it got thrown out. That one still comes across as some local Fife trying to make a name for himself. Only other incident I know of with Dak was the fact that he got attacked on a beach by some thugs. Not sure how that one was his fault. Dak is just a natural leader and that is why he is doing what he is doing in Dallas. I love Nick, and he is tough as nails but he doesn't have the natural leadership ability that Dak does nor is he as mature as Dak was. But that is no real criticism because we've never had another QB in our modern history with the leadership ability of Dak Prescott.

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Shit- I'm trying not to post but you guys pull me back in.

Dakota Prescott is a natural leader and a damn hard worker. His teammates see that he will work just as hard as any player on the team- so not only does he get respect for being the QB- he gets respect for being one of the hardest workers on the team.

Fitz is super talented and the other players respect him. But he isnt their die-hard leader. He is the pretty-boy super talented QB that does work fairly hard. But he likes to party hard also. So the other players love him because he plays hard and parties hard. Thats why he is a captain. He is a smaller version of Michael Irvin at QB, But he has to realize that being an SEC QB has its microscope and Johnny Manziel has made it tougher on partying QB's. NFL clubs are more leary.

Word out of camp is that there is a clear gap between Fitz and Thompson- so his job isnt in jeopardy. But hopefully he has realized that partying needs to take a backseat to winning the SEC title. Only 4 QB's have had a chance to win the SEC Title in my lifetime- Bond, Madkin, Prescott, and now Fitz. He better take advantage of that chance.

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So you're saying he's John Bond 2.0

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

So you're saying he's John Bond 2.0

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Bond was good but ... Nick way better and it's not close.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Bond was good but ... Nick way better and it's not close.

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I Agree. was referring more to their personality types. And I'm a big John Bond fan!

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Agree, and Dak is no saint but he hasn't really had "public" incidents that he has been given passes for. The biggest thing he ever had that i knew about was the DUI that seemed bogus from the start and wasn't even administered properly by the arresting officer so it got thrown out. That one still comes across as some local Fife trying to make a name for himself. Only other incident I know of with Dak was the fact that he got attacked on a beach by some thugs. Not sure how that one was his fault. Dak is just a natural leader and that is why he is doing what he is doing in Dallas. I love Nick, and he is tough as nails but he doesn't have the natural leadership ability that Dak does nor is he as mature as Dak was. But that is no real criticism because we've never had another QB in our modern history with the leadership ability of Dak Prescott.

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The beach thing wasn't Dak's fault- but I do think that MSU has to possibly do a better job of letting our star football players know that the reality is they aren't "regular college students" and that their actions are going to have very public consequences. I think it's because for the past 5-10 years our football profile has increased to a point that it never has before and we're behind on a few things.

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I Agree. was referring more to their personality types. And I'm a big John Bond fan!

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Ahhh ... I get it now. Probably very much so it sounds like.

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I guess yall think that Dak was an angel or maybe yall dont remember the guy that won the heisman trophy last year did some things on camera that some would call less than gentlemanly.

I dont want a gentleman on my team, I want a fighter thats what Fitz is. Was what he did wrong? Yes. And he is paying the price for it. We are fine. Its a strong statement from Moorhead and only makes me feel better about him suspending arguably the best QB in school history for his first game

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Here's the thing I don't get. Fitz gets suspended a game and now NFL GM's are going to question him. Baker Mayfield loses his cool and flips off players from KANSAS and it's all good.

Dak gets a bogus DUI and of course drops to what? Second or third round. Those idiots at Ole Miss are jumping out of windows strung out on LSD, posting bong gas mask pictures, and know two pass routes- first round picks! WTF?

Why do our players like Simmons get slammed and others don't?

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Here's the thing I don't get. Fitz gets suspended a game and now NFL GM's are going to question him. Baker Mayfield loses his cool and flips off players from KANSAS and it's all good.

Dak gets a bogus DUI and of course drops to what? Second or third round. Those idiots at Ole Miss are jumping out of windows strung out on LSD, posting bong gas mask pictures, and know two pass routes- first round picks! WTF?

Why do our players like Simmons get slammed and others don't?

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Ours dont really. Baker won the heisman and made the playoff. Dak didnt. Plus the NFL is so QB crazy its ridiculous. No QB in the past draft deserved to be picked in the top 5 let alone 1.

Nkemdiche and Treadwell have been busts and anyone who really watched them in college knew what the cardinals and vikes were really getting

Tunsil was good enough to where it didnt matter but he did suffer from it.

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Here's the thing I don't get. Fitz gets suspended a game and now NFL GM's are going to question him. Baker Mayfield loses his cool and flips off players from KANSAS and it's all good.

Dak gets a bogus DUI and of course drops to what? Second or third round. Those idiots at Ole Miss are jumping out of windows strung out on LSD, posting bong gas mask pictures, and know two pass routes- first round picks! WTF?

Why do our players like Simmons get slammed and others don't?

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And don't forget Smoot maybe/maybe not being caught by the cops with a lefty ciggy, and missing his last bowl game and dropping in the draft. I'm pretty sure the charges were dropped, but he paid a pretty hefty price for it. I always felt bad for him, maybe he made up for it with the boat party. But my point is don't forget him when mentioning our star players losing more to some little incident than all of those asshole landshark players combined. Guess it's standards n principles here vs that shithole.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I guess yall think that Dak was an angel or maybe yall dont remember the guy that won the heisman trophy last year did some things on camera that some would call less than gentlemanly.

I dont want a gentleman on my team, I want a fighter thats what Fitz is. Was what he did wrong? Yes. And he is paying the price for it. We are fine. Its a strong statement from Moorhead and only makes me feel better about him suspending arguably the best QB in school history for his first game

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Great post. I agree.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I guess yall think that Dak was an angel or maybe yall dont remember the guy that won the heisman trophy last year did some things on camera that some would call less than gentlemanly.

I dont want a gentleman on my team, I want a fighter thats what Fitz is. Was what he did wrong? Yes. And he is paying the price for it. We are fine. Its a strong statement from Moorhead and only makes me feel better about him suspending arguably the best QB in school history for his first game

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Neither Dak nor Baker let their teammates down by getting suspended for a game in their senior year. (Or any other year for that matter, although in fairness Baker was suspended for 1 drive for the crotchgrab.)

There's nothing wrong with seeing this is as a huge red flag for Fitz. I hope me proves he wrong, and I'll gladfully admit it when he hoists the Heisman in December and the national championship trophy in January.

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Neither Dak nor Baker let their teammates down by getting suspended for a game in their senior year. (Or any other year for that matter, although in fairness Baker was suspended for 1 drive for the crotchgrab.)

There's nothing wrong with seeing this is as a huge red flag for Fitz. I hope me proves he wrong, and I'll gladfully admit it when he hoists the Heisman in December and the national championship trophy in January.

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Let his teammates down is fine. He’s answering for it.

Red flag sounds so 17ing stupid. He’s been here 4 years. This is not a red flag. It’s a bump in the road.

A red flag, for those of you who didn’t know, is a signal of danger, of more to come.

This seems like a boneheaded incident. You guys sound silly calling it a red flag.

-The Bob Carskadon beard story. Don't know if yall remember this but Bob wrote a fun, light-hearted story about the different beards on the team. A few assholes on the team, Fitz included, tried to take offense to the story and handled Bob really bad at the team complex and then crowed about it on twitter. Totally immature and shitty way to treat Bob.

This is wrong, Damian Williams made the big deal about it and Nick was laughing about it and thought is was funny. I agree Nick seems to be a little immature at times but I don't think its a problem. Once the team saw how hard Nick was during tough games it won the team over. The team is 100% behind Nick.

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