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07-31-2018, 10:21 PM
Pit Bull

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Originally Posted by msstate7

They just got a 4-star OT from Arkansas to block too

Gotem' a damn good 4 star DE too out of NE Miss. Juco too. Looks like cruitin' is really picking up on the plantation.
07-31-2018, 10:31 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

If Mullen is still the HC at MSU we dont have Cunningham, Russell, Ani, Pickering, or Jones committed. Think what you want but that is a fact

We are a preseason top 20 team that is considered a dark horse sec contender. We've won 9 games 3 of the last 4 years. This acting like Mullen was terrible is getting old. I think it was time for him to move on, but Mullen was awesome with us and left us in great shape. I hardly think we'd be in terrible shape had he stayed
07-31-2018, 10:38 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by msstate7

We are a preseason top 20 team that is considered a dark horse sec contender. We've won 9 games 3 of the last 4 years. This acting like Mullen was terrible is getting old. I think it was time for him to move on, but Mullen was awesome with us and left us in great shape. I hardly think we'd be in terrible shape had he stayed

We'd know he would be using us to go somwhere else and once we lost to bama he would mail it in if we were having a good year.

If hes so great why is UF recruiting like shit since rankings matter so much to some of yall? Maybe he tries down there but he thought he was better than us since 2010
07-31-2018, 10:42 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

We'd know he would be using us to go somwhere else and once we lost to bama he would mail it in if we were having a good year.

If hes so great why is UF recruiting like shit since rankings matter so much to some of yall? Maybe he tries down there but he thought he was better than us since 2010

If he's so terrible, how did we get this talented team?
07-31-2018, 10:42 PM
Bothrops

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

If Mullen is still the HC at MSU we dont have Cunningham, Russell, Ani, Pickering, or Jones committed. Think what you want but that is a fact

This is true, and you can add Shrader to the list. He would be committed to SC.
07-31-2018, 10:45 PM
msstate7

We'll finish 9-10th in sec final recruiting rankings like always. I would love to be wrong, but I'll take any bet that says we finish higher
07-31-2018, 10:50 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If he's so terrible, how did we get this talented team?

Because recruiting rankings are flawed and too many live and die by ''talent profiles''
07-31-2018, 10:51 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If he's so terrible, how did we get this talented team?

I didnt say he was terrible but he wasnt all in. And that is terrible
07-31-2018, 11:06 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If he's so terrible, how did we get this talented team?

I'm disappointed a good bit too.

I agree with you that Mullen can be pretty darn good when he wants to be. I expect FL to be much improved. He can recruit some when he applies himself too.

But he was like a deer in the headlights in big games or 2 min drills, and when we had 8 wins going into OM game he sucked big time. I'm just thankful that when he doesn't know what to do late in game now, I won't be watching our QB designed run that everyone on earth knows is coming. If he loses Grantham he'll be in trouble. No good DCs really want to work with him.

I made a mistake and starting following recruiting some again. I'm through until signing day now. It can turn around I guess, but our targets list on 247 doesn't look that promising to me ... maybe I'm wrong tho and maybe that ain't all of them.

Only way to get in the big time recruiting game ... to have a discreet network passing out the $$. There are a few of our recruits on team now I'm thinking that may have happened with too. Not sure but suspicious I am.

It may take JoMo a couple of years to figure it out some recruiting wise. That's ok. JoMo is straight arrow I'm thinking ... SEC recruiting you can't be like that 100%. I do think he'll put his heart and soul into it more than Mullen did and I think long term he'll be pretty good.

Hope we have really good season. I'm too wooly going in ... which ain't usually a good thing. I'm wooly usually == we flop.
07-31-2018, 11:12 PM
preachermatt83

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Originally Posted by msstate7

We'll finish 9-10th in sec final recruiting rankings like always. I would love to be wrong, but I'll take any bet that says we finish higher

Your freakouts paired with your Mullen slobbery is getting out of hand.
07-31-2018, 11:16 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

Your freakouts paired with your Mullen slobbery is getting out of hand.

So, you taking the under? Whats the stakes?
07-31-2018, 11:22 PM
preachermatt83

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Originally Posted by msstate7

So, you taking the under? Whats the stakes?

I have no idea where we end up, it's August... the season hasn't even started.
08-01-2018, 05:51 AM
Pit Bull

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Originally Posted by Mutt the Hoople

If we're 9-3/10-2 and om is 1-11, look for some flipping.

OM wont go 1-11. They look more like 5-7 or 6-6. If they win their NCAA appeal, then the Egg Bowl could be the game that awards them a regular season-ending bowl. I hope they don't have that to play for, but the way their luck is rolling, it wouldn't surprise me.
08-01-2018, 06:50 AM
msbulldog

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Please tell me the 4-star WRs or OL we will get.

And for the record, I've said we will be fine as long as we continue to coach well. I never bought into this fantasy that we are becoming a borderline top 10 type recruiting team. We aren't. We won't. We can still be a good program, but great is a pipe dream. Mullen was great for our program. He wasn't this alleged weight holding us down

He is a weight holding Florida down '39th'.
08-01-2018, 07:06 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Only way to get in the big time recruiting game ... to have a discreet network passing out the $$. There are a few of our recruits on team now I'm thinking that may have happened with too. Not sure but suspicious I am.

It may take JoMo a couple of years to figure it out some recruiting wise. That's ok. JoMo is straight arrow I'm thinking ... SEC recruiting you can't be like that 100%. I do think he'll put his heart and soul into it more than Mullen did and I think long term he'll be pretty good.
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Great quote and something that was misunderstood when people asked Moorhead about his ability to recruit in the South.

Sure, part of recruiting in the South is building relationships but it's so much more.

It's that "so much more part" that people who have never coached in the SEC simply don't and can't understand.

I believe JoMo will recruit well in the future at MSU but July 2018 was a baptism by fire for him and a month that I hope helps him grow into the coach he can be for us. June was good but it was almost too easy.

He needs to learn quick.
08-01-2018, 08:10 AM
thf24

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If he's so terrible, how did we get this talented team?

By identifying unrealized talent in many cases and getting lucky in a few. There are very few players on this team that he fought and won tough recruiting battles with equally or more prestigious programs for, and failing to get more of those kind of guys is half the reason he got close a few times here but never broke through. This year's team may have been the one for him, but that's one team in ten cycles that doesn't have massive question marks in some areas going into the season due to recruiting failures (still some small question marks).
08-01-2018, 08:22 AM
HoopsDawg

Ole Miss' 2 highest rated commits will never show up on campus. Take out Ealy and Black when you are looking at their class.
08-01-2018, 08:39 AM
tcdog70

Damn, so many of ya'll have serious Ole Miss Recruting-phobias. Who on here actually thought that the NCAA deal was going to stop Ole Miss from doing Ole Miss things? They are who we thought they are--get over it. Our Team is fixing to open a can of whoop-ass up and Here is some whiney ass State fans crying about Ole Miss recruiting.. Just Damn.
08-01-2018, 08:42 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by thf24

By identifying unrealized talent in many cases and getting lucky in a few. There are very few players on this team that he fought and won tough recruiting battles with equally or more prestigious programs for, and failing to get more of those kind of guys is half the reason he got close a few times here but never broke through. This year's team may have been the one for him, but that's one team in ten cycles that doesn't have massive question marks in some areas going into the season due to recruiting failures (still some small question marks).

We are in the most brutal recruiting conference in the country. We're among the bottom in recruiting budget. We share a small state with another sec team. We will always have misses and some question marks headed into a season.
08-01-2018, 08:45 AM
Ari Gold

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If he's so terrible, how did we get this talented team?

HE didn’t.
Now you can believe what you want or whatever.
Yes he was the head guy here , but he had little to do with most of this talent being here.
You can call me out, say that’s BS, or I don’t like Mullen whatever.
08-01-2018, 08:48 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

HE didn’t.
Now you can believe what you want or whatever.
Yes he was the head guy here , but he had little to do with most of this talent being here.
You can call me out, say that’s BS, or I don’t like Mullen whatever.

If Mullen doesn't get credit for the talent on campus, he shouldn't get blamed for misses. Can't have it both ways
08-01-2018, 08:52 AM
Political Hack

Remember the melt over Tobias and Snoop? That was epic. Biggest one ever was CJ "Daddy said your word is your bond" Johnson though.

If anyone thought an SEC school that's got deep pockets and people committed to cheating was going to plummet in recruiting they have another thing coming. It will hurt them and slow them down some, but they're not about to sign a class full of 2 stars. They'd risk the death penalty before that happens.
08-01-2018, 08:57 AM
Ari Gold

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If Mullen doesn't get credit for the talent on campus, he shouldn't get blamed for misses. Can't have it both ways

Misses are on thing,
Never being in consideration is another

If you want to argue Mullen is a solid coach then that’s one thing
But if you want to try and defend his recruiting you just need to stop.
08-01-2018, 09:03 AM
Ari Gold

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

Remember the melt over Tobias and Snoop? That was epic. Biggest one ever was CJ "Daddy said your word is your bond" Johnson though.

If anyone thought an SEC school that's got deep pockets and people committed to cheating was going to plummet in recruiting they have another thing coming. It will hurt them and slow them down some, but they're not about to sign a class full of 2 stars. They'd risk the death penalty before that happens.

Correct.
Plus the smart boosters there know they got off with a slap on wrist but make it sound like it was the apocalypse. That’s well played
08-01-2018, 09:43 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If Mullen doesn't get credit for the talent on campus, he shouldn't get blamed for misses. Can't have it both ways

Exactly.
08-01-2018, 10:27 AM
fishwater99

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Also note, with AJ Brown they are only going to win 6 games maybe. No one they have committed is as good as that dude.

AJ is the best WR from MS in along time, maybe ever...
08-01-2018, 10:32 AM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by fishwater99

AJ is the best WR from MS in along time, maybe ever...

He's a stud. Don't have the energy to look up the people on here that said he was way overrated out of hs. Hahaha.
08-01-2018, 10:50 AM
fader2103

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

If the staff was targeting Scurry over Mingo/Jackson, then I'd agree with you that we should trust their evaluations. However, the staff is targeting Mingo and Jackson; they themselves have said those are the elite WRs this class. If we miss on them it's only rational to say the WR's we got are lesser. Same with any non-Emery RB, or any low 3* OL we take late. I'm letting the staffs' own actions tell me who's the best players, and I'll judge our final class by how far down the board we have to go to fill out the class

We can be targeting a lot of receivers, You don't know where any of them stand on our big board.
08-01-2018, 10:54 AM
fader2103

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Originally Posted by msstate7

We are in the most brutal recruiting conference in the country. We're among the bottom in recruiting budget. We share a small state with another sec team. We will always have misses and some question marks headed into a season.

THIS
08-01-2018, 11:02 AM
sleepy dawg

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

I think you just killed your point. OM recruits aren't committing because of the atmosphere, elite staff, NFL history, or projected future wins. They are committing because the $$$ are higher... maybe a little because the depth chart is bad so they'll see the field sooner. Neither of those things goes away by a bad year with lo ticket sales. Guys who commit to South Carolina are probably more interested in attendance and W-L than OM commits are, for example. Our recruits are being sold on building a SEC contender, and so if we somehow went 6-6 we'd lose more recruits than OM would going 5-7.

Now, will some OM recruits be turned off by the on-field performance? Maybe a few. We can hope Mingo is one of them. However I don't think it'll be a big deal overall for the class

And prostitutes. Don't forget the prostitutes for the kids.
08-01-2018, 12:56 PM
BB30

Does it suck absolutely, but, there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. Either our recruiting will pick up again before signing day or it won't.

One thing we do know for sure is that the staff we have now is busting it on the recruiting trail and that is all that we can honestly expect from them. That and winning football games. I assure you none of the coaches are throwing in the proverbial towel. Some of these recruiting battles are far from over. Let it play out and once the dust settles lets see where we are. No point in freaking out in July.

The season cannot get here quick enough.
08-01-2018, 01:11 PM
archdawg

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Originally Posted by BB30

Does it suck absolutely, but, there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. Either our recruiting will pick up again before signing day or it won't.

One thing we do know for sure is that the staff we have now is busting it on the recruiting trail and that is all that we can honestly expect from them. That and winning football games. I assure you none of the coaches are throwing in the proverbial towel. Some of these recruiting battles are far from over. Let it play out and once the dust settles lets see where we are. No point in freaking out in July.

The season cannot get here quick enough.

Amen. Momentum comes and goes. Hopefully ours comes back, but if for some reason it doesn’t, it isn’t for lack of trying.
08-01-2018, 01:44 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by fishwater99

AJ is the best WR from MS in along time, maybe ever...

Jerry Rice says hello, also Eric Moulds.
08-01-2018, 02:14 PM
fishwater99

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

Jerry Rice says hello, also Eric Moulds.

Forgot about Rice. He could easily have a great NFL career, time will tell.
08-01-2018, 03:07 PM
Coach007

All I know is we have fallen to 19th in recruiting and they are at 11th while on probation.
08-01-2018, 03:36 PM
Political Hack

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

He's a stud. Don't have the energy to look up the people on here that said he was way overrated out of hs. Hahaha.

I don't think I ever said it here but I thought he was overrated in high school based on his film. I think that about all WRs though. In this instance I was wrong. I think he's the best WR in the country now, at least that I've seen.
08-01-2018, 04:09 PM
tcdog70

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Originally Posted by fishwater99

AJ is the best WR from MS in along time, maybe ever...

Lance Alworth would disgree if he could
08-01-2018, 04:15 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by fishwater99

Forgot about Rice. He could easily have a great NFL career, time will tell.

Eric Moulds was a faster and more athletic version of AJ Brown. AJ doesn't have the speed to lead the country in kickoff return yardage. I have yet to see AJ catch a jump ball with his cleats even with a DBs stomach. Moulds also ended up as the #2 all time Bills receiver behind that hall of famer Andre Reed only without a Hall of Fame QB throwing to him.
08-01-2018, 04:36 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by fishwater99

AJ is the best WR from MS in along time, maybe ever...

Better than Jerry Rice? I doubt it.
08-01-2018, 04:39 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

HE didn?t.
Now you can believe what you want or whatever.
Yes he was the head guy here , but he had little to do with most of this talent being here.
You can call me out, say that?s BS, or I don?t like Mullen whatever.

Case in point- most of our highly recruited players were on the defensive side of the ball. Which is the side that the country club as not on.

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