I think this is the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by ckDOG
We are in no-mans land waiting to expand the stadium, but we are without need of extra seats to need to expand the stadium
Thus, we have a stalemate of sorts that leads to having this stagnant, ugly, deer camp quality structure in the most photographed & videoed part of our entire university.
Yes, this would be 1,000 times better. Shoot, add some sky boxes in it to pay for the thingQuote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Ticket sales are dropping at most schools. It's gotten too expensive for people to go to games. We've probably hit the wall of expansion for awhile.
Or make it like the Left Field Lofts.....Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Even better. Lets not let a sub-par, ugly building lessen Davis Wade Stadium in hopes that we will expand the south endzone in time. We may not expand the south end zone for another 10 years. Meanwhile, we've got an eye sore making the university look cheap on TV in front of millions of viewers.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
It's a complicated answer because everyone wants to expand the South end zone, but how long are we going to hold off before addressing this?
I realize it doesn't bother some, many people but it's an eye sore on TV. It really isn't a good look for the university
This is probably the direction. Some form of that Mercer stadium / LA Tech / Left field lofts premium style attraction. I believe the next step in the expansion is a second deck on the North EZ anyway...which will be our last seating expansion. Then this South EZ deal will get built.....maybe with two smaller video boards on the SW and SE corners like Bama has instead of one mega board. 2030 watch out.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
If we ever bowl it in, I don't think we'll increase capacity much. The TV experience is just too good to continue to expect a big demand for non-premium seating. My guess is if we do it, we'll primarily fill the space wiht something like the left field lofts, and then add a little bit of seating to fill in the corners, and then I still expect to see us convert more seats to chairbacks, which will reduce capacity for those areas and make the net something close to neutral.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matty Dispatch
I?ve always thought bowl in the south end zone, add premium seating/sky boxes for revenue. As part of the expansion, convert every seat in the stadium to chair backs. Create the best game day experience for fans in college football. This would limit the numbers added or be nearly neutral. If there?s ever a need to expand capacity after that, add upper decks to both end zones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
I really wish we would bowl in the stadium ASAP. It's probably not a wise financial decision. But I feel like if we sat at 70k+ capacity that would be good for a long time. I'd love to see them mirror the north end zone in the south end zone. But that would be a 60 million dollar project that we probably just can't justify right now. Unpopular opinion of mine, I suppose.
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Originally Posted by Matty Dispatch
The trend will definitely be toward more luxury. Chair backs will be the next major trend - and not the BS clip-on kind most stadiums have now. I've sat in them at MSU, UGA, and UF. They are all squeezed in too tight, are not comfortable, and wear out pretty fast. We could figure out the lower bowl capacity with real seats and keep it relatively the same with a SE addition, build the End Zone lofts above it, and still have future expansion capacity with a north endzone 2nd deck. I'd pay more per game for a real seat with cupholders in a heartbeat. You will make the money on the Endzone Lofts to pay for most of the expansion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
If you don't think EXACTLY like Shotgun, then you are "small-minded" and one of the reasons our Athletics aren't better? It's thinking like yours (not like SD's) that holds our University back!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
Looks fine to me and certainly not terrible. And I love the open end stadium. Allows campus view from inside the stadium and allows a view in to stadium from the junction. Kind of a campus connector feel. Bowled in stadiums lose that on campus feel. Seems like more modern stadiums (professional viewpoint) try to allow for views that connect to areas outside of stadiums.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Then do something with Dorman.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Correct. All premium seating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
End zone along with the indoor tennis center and the Hump renovate are three parallel projects.
I would say this year will add 3 games to that list this yearQuote:
Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg
Space is a issue with a lot of schools. Not with us. I wish they would add more premium seating on the home side with hard permanent chair backs with cushions like you see in club level at NFL stadiums. Make them big. Then add seating you lose by enclosing the south end zone and make all those seats chair back.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
It looks fine. The jumbotron looks a little strange stuck on the front of it, but it not nearly as bad as you are claiming.
Can the Jumbotron be moved to another location?
Highly unlikely. the cost to take it down and put back together would likely be more than replacing it. As I mentioned..it's also 10 years old now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bully13
I do like the idea of increasing premium seating in the South Endzone, but there are some other projects that need to be done first.. like renovating the east side concourse/concession area.. that's long overdue
But none of those are seen by millions of people on TV.Quote:
Originally Posted by mstatefan91
You're wanting to fix the inside of the garage before fixing the front porch
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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Then quit watching on TV....go to the game in person and you won't have to be one of the "millions". The south end zone should not be the top priority.
The only thing that disappointed me in that structure was they sort of goofed by not building it further towards the junction by about a 100 feet. The last two sections on each side of the southern end of the stadium cannot see the board and the sections next to them have to strain their neck to see it.....and the answer was to build another jumbotron on the north end of the stadium. So we spent around 15 million (from what I hear) to build that gigantic south end jumbotron. Now we are going to tear it down....hmmm.....we must be flush with dough. There's a unique concept in most really good engineering schools and in good engineering itself. It's called planning. Sometimes I wonder if we teach our grads about planning and the costs of poor or no planning for at least 20 years down the road.
Cool. They're seen by me 6-7 times a year. I'd like something done about it before I witness some old timer break a hip trying to go to the bathroom or get a hotdog.. but glad you have your priorities straightQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I've been advocating chairbacks in place of all bleacher seats. Even if it means we drop back to an even 60,000 capacity. More leg room, escalators to move more people faster. Then after a few years, look at adding in the south endzone or evening up the two upper decks to match each other. I think 65K will be our top bar for the next 10-15 years. Make the stadium more comfortable, easy to get around, and just plain enjoyable. We are now competing directly with the 60" flat screen HD tv in your living room with the fridge and bathroom only a room away.....plus all with air conditioning,Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
My priorities are for the greater good of university & that is to fix the M-club, something far more visual, before working underneath the stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by mstatefan91
Who's to say your priorities are correct?
Oh ok $$$$>fan safetyQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Yep, you've got them straight
Really, fan safety because you saw an old man fall?Quote:
Originally Posted by mstatefan91
I've never in my life walked underneath the East side of the stadium & felt unsafe. I've seen people trip in the Junction as well. Perhaps we should make sure that is perfectly level before we do anything*
You're seriously trying to argue money is more important than fan safety.. Take a step back.. you don't have the moral high ground on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
M Club looks fine but I do find it entertaining when you want to spend $30 million of MSU's money.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I think it's about 1,000th on the list but maybe if you type it 400 more times it'll move up to 999th most important.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Not at all. I think it's ridiculous to argue that the East side concourse is unsafe.Quote:
Originally Posted by mstatefan91
If I actually thought there was anything unsafe about it, I would completely agree it should be the number 1 priority
Oh, MSU is going to spend $30 mil anyway. I'm just making a case towards where it should be allocatedQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
To a person of normal health? Probably not. To someone with a disability or older? Yes, it is a safety concern. It slopes down and is an uneven slope at that.. there are structures in the way of moving freely as well such as the walkways up into the seating area.. The west side is much more safeQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Under the stands on the east side is needed much worse than something that offends you when you see on TV.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Then make a case towards updating the Hump. M Club looks fine dude you're making a mountain outta nothing. I have never once in my entire life heard another fan say the M Club looks like a shit till you said it 20 times in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Yeah, Dorman across the junction. Wait, you captured both of them in one shot.
Yeah the Southern Miss game a couple years ago, I slipped on the West side and knocked myself out on the pavement for a bit. Dislocated my shoulder, slight tear of my Labrum. Yeah, the west side is safer?Quote:
Originally Posted by mstatefan91
In all fairness, they textured and repainted the west side ramps that week between games. Still doesn't help my shoulder though.
If it were me, I would do the following.
Continue the bottom seating bowl across the endzone adding around 2000 seats. I would make a premium seating area similar to the gridiron club in that area down low.
I would add a party deck area that the M-Club opens into on the upper level on both sides including the junction side.
I would incorporate a large cowbell into the design so big pocket donors and prime recruits can ring the bell 2 hours and 1 hour before the game, letting everyone in the junction know its time to get into the game.
Upper levels to include the new M-Club banquet areas and premium seating decks and boxes.
Re-design the jumbotron into the design above the new building.
Redesign the north jumbotron to match. Big white back looks terrible.
I would take down dorman and relocate those people to a new building in front of the Landscape Architecture building.
Getting really crazy, I would put a new gameday center or something where dorman currently is. With classrooms on the upper floors.
Gameday center to include:
Catering pickup
concessions
restrooms for tailgating
rock climbing wall
large artificial turf area - agility challenge with a large door like a hangar to open up the space.
TV's everywhere for the people that do not have a tailgate
band stage
cornhole competition space
Most importantly, a building with actual appeal to it better than dorman.
The truth is we need a new M-Club Building and we also need to do something about the ramps. The ramps are WAY too steep on the West side to be ADA approved- no question in my mind. The issue is that the structure was built in the 1930's I believe way before ADA.Quote:
Originally Posted by mstatefan91
Now that said, I agree with Shotgun that the M-Club building needs to go/be enclosed with premium seating. My parents are M-Club members and as I have shared before it is so bad that my parents will not go to games anymore. There is nowhere for them to sit unless you drag a chair in front of the window and hope you get there before some former MSU o-linemen or basketball player gets there first. And sitting up there is weird- it's like a vacuum. You can see the people cheering but there is no sound except for when the cannon is fired after a MSU score. And even that is muted quite a bit. Our former athletes deserve a better place to watch the game.
And I think that will happen in the next few years probably.