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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
LOL Cohen hasn't had his head in the college baseball sand. He knows the market value of college baseball coaches.
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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
LOL Cohen hasn't had his head in the college baseball sand. He knows the market value of college baseball coaches.
Agree. This is what Steve said happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
It doesn't make sense.
Of course not. Cohen's knowledge of college baseball isn't my concern. Him getting in a dick swinging contest isQuote:
Originally Posted by yjnkdawg
Due diligence takes time. If Schloss REALLY wanted the job, he should have kept his name in the hat. He may have pulled out early knowing IB was likely going to find out something about him he didn't want known publicly. I don't think the IB will be played twice!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Lemons and Indiana made the 2018 NCAA regionals. Where was Schloss? Top 3 coaches don't miss regionals. Coaches that miss regionals don't get to dictate how the AD at another school performs his search. Shotgun you got your head so far up Schloss' ass you're chewing his bubble gum.
So he was just supposed to bow down to whatever shloss wanted? I think the guy overestimating his worth wasn't Cohen.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
How about we hide and watch for four or five years and then bitch.
Schloss' team was injuredQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Don't confuse a critique of the process for not supporting Lemonis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Percho
I'm in a on Lemonis and think he'll win big, but that doesn't change my thoughts on the process
Two different things.
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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
And this would be one reason that Cohen is our AD, and you aren't. Cohen wants to win games, but he uses logic, and thinks things out thoroughly before making a decision. He does extensive research. So, if you were an employer (Interviewer), you would want the potential employee (interviewee) to run the show? If you do, then good luck in the future , because you will need it. You have no clue how Lemonis will function here.
Top 3 coaches don't make excuses or need them. When's the last time a top 3 coach in college basketball or football missed March Madness or a bowl game? Perhaps Schloss is an arrogant asshole and this fanbase sure as hell doesn't need another one of those after Don Muffins bolted.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Pretty simple Schloss was trying to pressure Cohen into a quick decision to preclude any further candidate interviews. That was indicated by his attempt to get back in the job consideration after IB told him he was going to interview other candidates. Schloss tried to play bluff poker with the Intense Bastard and lost his house.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bass Chaser
We might be the ones who lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by msbulldog
No Cooter, a potential employer is not obligated to meet a candidate for a job's timeline. That set's up a bad employee/employer relationship! And maybe he did a background check, like he should have done on Canny!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
You really don’t know shit about college baseball, do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
And maybe Schloss is too big for Cohen because he can?t let go of some of the program control. Makes as much sense as what you said. He did say he wanted to hire someone that ?understands the MSU culture?.Quote:
Originally Posted by msbulldog
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
We have a winnerQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I trust IB with every hire but this one. He's an exceptional AD but he's human.
That may be so, but our chances of beating FSU are not going down exponentially. BTO you have not been watching MSU baseball lately!Quote:
Originally Posted by Barkman Turner Overdrive
You're making out with Shotgun up Schloss' ass. I know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
No Cooterpoot is most certainly not a winnerQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Beastman, Urban has 3 Natty's and Schloss has some good seasons, but no championships. I don't see why everybody is fascinated with this guy. If you want to throw money at someone, throw it at Pat Casey he has 4 Natty's!Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastMan
Schloss loves recruiting 8th graders. It's why Shotgun and Cooterpuss are obsessed with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by msbulldog
He has 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by msbulldog
He's coached 17 years at non-traditional programs. In those 17 years, he's won his conference 9 times with 5 CWS. Tcu has been in a regional 15 times in its history... schloss has 13 of them in his 15 seasons. Tcu had never won a regional before schloss... they've won 7 with schloss. Tcu has never won their conference tourney before schloss... they've won it 8 times with schloss. Tcu had never been to the CWS before schloss... they've been to 5 with schloss.Quote:
Originally Posted by msbulldog
Are you guys seriously downplaying schloss while building up lemonis?
You forgot one important part. He's an egotistical dickhead just like Dan Mullen. Cohen ain't playing that game anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
What are you basing this on?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Schlossnagle: 15 years at TCU, made a regional 13 times, a super 7 times, and 5 CWS appearances.
They had 2 regional appearances before Schloss and 0 Super Regional Appearances, and 0 CWS appearances.
The guy is a top baseball coach and it's not debatable.
You're privy to the same information as I am. Not my fault you can't use your 6th sense yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Schloss is a big fat 0-1 in selling himself as the right coach for MSU to Cohen. I trust Cohen. I don't trust the dick in Fort Worth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldog1
Haha... I just don't take stuff as gospel hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
It's not about fault. It's about fit. Is it worth hiring Schlossnagle only to have him leave 2-3 years from now because he can't get along with Cohen? It sounds like Schlossnagle doesn't get along all that well with some of TCU's AD's either hence why he was looking to leave in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
As an applicant it's your job to sell yourself to your boss and Schlossnagle did not do a good job of that apparently.
Agendas are being firmly set...I can already see the threads that will start popping up next spring
This is essentially what Rosebowl was indicating, along with that is sounded like McDonnell was top choice & sounds like Cohen wanted opportunity to speak with him before making decision. Sounds like that convo ended with McDonnell having made promises to his family but then he strongly recommended Lemonis. By this time Schloss had already tried his hardball bluff. Dont blame Cohen for not going back to the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
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You can't let a possible employee dictate terms to your job search regardless of who they are.
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Just because someone is considered one of the "BIG 3" doesn't automatically make them the best option for the job.
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When you have a potential employee try to continue to dictate terms publicly to force your hand, the employer has to realize that their crap will only get worse once they are there if hired. This has been proven time and again in multiple fields of business.
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Verify everything. EVERYTHING. I went through a hiring process once where I felt like I was "the guy" for the position. Even the head of the search group told me that, but said they were going to speak with their other prospects first. They went dead quiet for a couple weeks. During that time, they called my references, asked them for other references, and then asked those people for other references. When they finally extended an offer to me, they told me their entire process and said they felt from the get-go I was their guy, but they owed it to the group they represented to follow through to ensure everything.
I say all of that to say this - if Schloss wasn't willing to allow the process to work itself to the end, then he wasn't truly what was best for our program in the long term. Either he's a hot-head ego, or was feeling some heat at TCU that we all don't know about that he wants to bail ASAP, or maybe has some skeletons he doesn't want found from an exhaustive search.
Lol... whatever. If there were a poll here 3 weeks ago asking who everyone prefers between schloss and lemonis, what you think the results would look like? Just find it crazy everyone now says lemonis is the better candidate.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
I'm not against lemonis. I think he will do well here... hell, who hasn't done well here? Fact remains... schloss is clearly a better coach than lemonis currently
Isn't about the gospel. It's about the timeline and how Schloss has acted and what he's let leak through his agent. You have enough information to pretty much guarantee he's a total dick. That's the last thing we need less than a year after Dan Mullen left the way he did. You fall for the blonde with the big tits every time even though the entire time you're trying to wet your noodle you know she's a raging ****.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Schloss is the type of guy to come in and immediately do away with our MSU baseball logo or something outrageous just to show everyone whose boss.
One thing about it is for sure. Cohen is not going to lose any sleep over a few message board posters second guessing him. One suggestion to those who think Cohen screwed up with Schloss. Please go and support Schloss, while over 99% of the MSU family will support Lemonis.
This is garbage. You can question the AD, and still support the AD's choice for coach. Why would me or any state fan not support lemonis? I/they wouldn'tQuote:
Originally Posted by yjnkdawg
You're just torturing yourself. Cohen is never going to tell us why he didn't hire Schloss. You just have to look at it and the info provided and deduct the reasoning yourself. Of course we've already provided that for you multiple times in this thread yet your thirst remains. Drink the water provided and move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7