Yep, you fools got me sucked in nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
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Yep, you fools got me sucked in nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Of course the Braves were going to win tonight over Kershaw. Just sets up a bigger disappointment for Wednesday.
Sure feels like that one will be over early. Like a Dodger 5 run 1stQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
I laughed... you definitely sound like a veteran Braves fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
5:30am comes early but I just flipped over after watching the falcons once again not close a win out to see the braves ahead late. Now I have to stay up and watch.
Not true. They do keep it closed a few hours before game time to keep the temp down, but the rest of the time it is left open as much as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Man this game is close!
HombreOsoPuig
Am I the only one that thinks they should go ahead and bring in the closer in this spot?
You can't give up a double in that situation. That one could end up costing them the series.
Stupid Mattingly gonna stupid. Dumb bunt calls there.
These aren't the most advanced managers we are dealing with.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Like I said, shoulda brought in kimbrel, now you going home for the rest of the season bravos. Dumb move
And there you go two birds with one stone. Bad bunts leads to HR and bad bullpen management leads to HR. both deserved to fail.
All because we reward the wrong things. Like a made up stat called "save"Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
The three definites:Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Death
Taxes
Braves choke in the post season
Yep, you're right about that. John Cohen woulda had Holder in in the 7th I believe, haQuote:
Originally Posted by Will James
correct that to: bullpen chokes with Kimbrel on the bench. and they'll never change.Quote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
By the way, Will, Dawg61, msstate7, etc...... This probably finished me off for paying attention to baseball the rest of this postseason and next season as well. I finally get sucked in only to be disappointed. I already have one MSU bulldogs to pull for and be crushed by, I don't need another.
Nice arm tat Schaeffer.*
Jump on the A's train.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
No other professional postseason comes close to baseball. None. Where else is there meaningful quadruple headers all day long. It's March Madness, except baseball is many times better than hoops
I disagree about the playoffs being that great. But I will say that I pull for the A's out of the American League. I will give them a shot to win me back over the next few days/weeksQuote:
Originally Posted by Will James
Fredi Gonzalez cost the braves a chance to win the series. Kimbrel never got to throw a pitch. I cannot stand fredi. Once puig got on you have to go kimbrel
Yup. Inexcusable.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yup. But hey, moral victory, right? Braves won the division? At least we have the Upton Brot... o wait...Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Go cards. I'm done with Atlanta. I'm tired of being let down year after year after year. The most unclutch team in baseball. Play a game in September or October and my high school baseball team could beat them.
No doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Now change that damn picture of yours To an Oakland A or something so we can forget about it.*
Thank God for the Saints. Because being a State fan and a braves fan is like lining up for a daily nut kicking.Quote:
Originally Posted by FFF
Not happening buddy. I'm pissed now, but I'm cursed with a love for the braves and bulldogs. I'm a born loser...Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Me too man, me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If the Intense Bastard is a braves fan.....some shit just got broken in Starkville.
I bet Cohen had holder take the mound in the 8th at Dudy tonight just despite Fredi's dumb ass
Wrong. They only leave it open as much as possible ON GAME DAYS- and that's only if there's sufficient sunlight. The rest of the time it's closed and they use solar panels for the grass.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Anyway- if they can grow grass in Pheonix, Arizona they can have grass in Tampa.
Already there. Got a personal reason to pull for them -- and I want to see a proper ending eventually given to Moneyball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will James
For not bringing his closer in the start of the 8th inning? That's pretty risky if you ask me. Most closers are used to throwing 25-30 pitches max. They're max effort guys usually- and they get burned out pretty quickly. Not to mention the fact that relief pitchers perform better when they know what situation they are going to come in. It helps with their bullpen preparation and routine- it helps them to know when to warm up so that they can be ready and perform at an optimal effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Fredi made the right move there- but his set-up guy didn't execute. He got beat by possibly the most talented guy in baseball rifling a double opposite field and then a hanging breaking ball. If you throw a breaking ball there- you CAN NOT leave it up in the zone. If you miss, you have to miss down. It happens. It ain't easy.
CK wanted the ball. He told fredi he could go 2 before the inning started. I didnt mind carpenter starting the 8th, but it was CK time when puig got on. Mac calling for 2 straight breaking balls was another shining example of how much McCann killed the braves in this series. Carpenter got lit up in the 8th in game 2 and again in game 4. Both appearance he gave up multiple run hr's.
Uh......huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I don't know what they do in the offseason, but the purpose of keeping the roof open is to help the grass grow.
Phoenix has it done properly, though; they just roll the playing surface in and out of the stadium to get sunlight and can do whatever they want with the roof.
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about with the solar panels.
I've been a Brian McCann fan for a long time, but I'm ready to see him go now. Gattis is gonna be one of the best hitters in mlb, but he can't play lf. Gattis is already a better defensive catcher than McCann. The braves have laird (veteran catcher) to tutor gattis about calling games. McCann is about to seriously decline and I don't wanna tie ourselves up in another bad contract.
Kimbrel had pitched 1.1 innings in 1 game in the last 10 days, and in that one game, he was throwing 101 and his slider was hitting 89, neither of which ever happens during the year. He had plenty of gas then.
Worst-case scenario, if Kimbrel starts to fade, you can make a switch then in the 9th against the bottom of their order. But more than likely, unless he struggled, he would have been fine.
It makes no sense to say that you were planning on using your closer to go 4 outs but never thought about having him go 6. Rivera did it all the time in the postseason.
Kimbrel's never pitched 2 full innings before because he's never been asked to; if you continue to never ask him to do it, then he won't ever do it, and that reason will continue to be used as a reason why he can't.
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy, and it's insane.
I agree with msstate7. I said at the beginning of the inning, put Carpenter in but go to Kimbrel at the first sign of trouble. We didn't, and it killed us. There is no excuse for Kimbrel not pitching in that game. I would have even thought about it the inning prior. You have to use your best pitcher in the highest-leverage situations. Why leave him to pitch against the bottom of their order and have Carpenter try to avoid giving up a run with a runner on 2nd? Because you've designated Kimbrel your 'closer', therefore can't bring him in until a certain inning at a certain given time?
That's dumb, and it is getting managers beaten on a regular basis. In the regular season, fine; but when each game is crucial, you have to do whatever it takes and go with your best options.
That's hindsight. Carpenter is a darn good pitcher who had a bad night- again, it happens. Even to Mariano Rivera- remember him getting beat by Luis Gonzalez in the playoffs? Four outs vs. six- that could be a difference of 10-20 pitches. If Kimbrel had gotten worn out- then who do you turn to? And then if Kimbrel throws 50-60 pitches you have to worry about how he might bounce back on Weds. Then you might have to have someone who has not closed out games very often likely in a jam-I'm assuming a tired Kimbrel would mean baserunners- in the biggest game of the year. The other thing you have to think about too- Puig doubles- well, Fredi knew that Uribe was probably going to bunt. Which he did- even though he screwed it up. So, all he had to do was basically get Uribe to bunt for an out- or get him 0-2 which is in his favor. I'm pretty sure he would have brought in Kimbrel with one out and a runner on third.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Rivera is a special pitcher- the best closer of all time. Some closers can go two innings- but not very many. Rivera could- but he is a special player. And he mainly would go multiple innings when he was the set-up guy to John Wetteland. When he was the closer, he very rarely pitched two innings. You could bring in Kimbrel- but again, it's risky. And if it doesn't work- I guarantee you it would be get questioned a WHOLE lot more than leaving Carpenter in. Especially since Carpenter had an ERA of 1.80 something. There's really no reason to NOT trust Carpenter there.
Relief pitchers are strange animals- and they operate a LOT better when they are put into familiar situations. It's a personality thing as much as anything. If you are ever around any of them- you would understand. They're almost like the Hanson brothers on Slapshot.
1. Gattis won't be one of the leagues best hitters
2. He's nowhere near Mac on defensive ability.
3. Kimbrel absolutely starts the inning vs Puig. He especially needs to come in after the double.
Cadaverdawg welcome to the A's wagon. Think about this only 1 of starting pitchers has had 2 full seasons in the majors. We are team of players no one wanted. Go A's.
It isn't hindsight. I said when the inning started that once a baserunner was on, Kimbrel had to be brought in. It's common sense.
Carpenter was a good pitcher all year, but he isn't Kimbrel, he had been killed earlier in the series, and he had just given up a double.
I don't care who would second-guess Fredi had Kimbrel come in and lost it. It would have been the right move. If you lose with your best pitcher on the mound, touche. If you lose and your best pitcher never gets in, well, that's on the manager.
As far as Fredi bringing in Kimbrel after the bunt, I guarantee he wouldn't have. It is Fredi Gonzalez; he said himself after the game that he had it set up to bring in Kimbrel for 4 outs...not 5, and not 6. That is asinine. It makes no sense at all; no one will ever be able to explain to me why a pitcher can easily go 4 outs but can't go 6.
Wednesday will take care of itself. You have to get there first. Obviously you can't go nuts, but 2 innings with a rest day afterward would still allow Kimbrel to pitch game 5.
And if Kimbrel gets worn out, you figure that out when the time comes. Bring in Minor for a couple of outs if you need it. But that option is far better than Kimbrel not even getting in the game because you blew it too quickly. There is just no point in saving him for the bottom of the order and just hoping and praying Carpenter can get you there. You put Kimbrel in, allow him to try to put out the fire, and let him pitch until he's no longer effective.
There's this thought around baseball that pitchers are like machines and once they have the slightest amount more asked of them than they have previously, they will explode. It's crazy. And again, it isn't hindsight. Most of the fanbase wanted Kimbrel in there, because it's obvious.