Mens basketball has become an afterthought here. Say what you want but Stans made postseason play 11 times. Now nobody gives a shit and I dont blame them.
We have no culture we dont get along, too many me's and not enough we.
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Mens basketball has become an afterthought here. Say what you want but Stans made postseason play 11 times. Now nobody gives a shit and I dont blame them.
We have no culture we dont get along, too many me's and not enough we.
The biggest elephant in the room and the biggest cautionary tale that I could tell anyone for basketball is when you fire a coach you damn well better upgrade the position or at least fire him when he has a shitty record and hasn’t left the cupboard bare. I agreed with letting Stansbury go at the time but you don’t fire him when A) we had just won 20+ games and made an NIT appearance and B) you don’t fire him when he left the cupboard bare. If Stricklin fires him a year earlier or a year later, we are in great shape to hire a new coach. We also saw a coaching search with Stricklin in selecting Ray that rivaled only Tennessee’s recent football coaching search in incompetence. You have to have a plan and a plan a, b, c, and d in place. Stricklin didn’t. If you want to know why our program was set back a decade look no further then the Florida AD Loafers and his self imposed three year death penalty. Ray’s three years of roster mismanagement, shitty recruiting, and shitty coaching is why it will take Coach Howland four years to get us back to the dance. Howland will get us back. Give him time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
What is your point to this thread? It’s taken Pearl four years to get Auburn back to the dance and they haven’t been since 2003. It took Frank Martin 4+ years to get USC to the tournament. Thanks to Rick Ray’s three years of absolute shit, we were those kinds of rebuilds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
This is John Cohen baseball dejavu. Howland will get us to the tournament. We will get there in year 4.
Sherrill won only one SEC West title but he's The Kang
And we paid him $1M/year to do all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
A) Great point on firing Stands when we did. We should have waited one more year so he would have bottomed out and nobody could say a word about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
B) Ray's recruiting was a by-product of our refusal to continue to sponsor AAU programs during his tenure. You dont sponsor- you dont sign.
And Thank God that guy that approved that is at Fla now..Quote:
Originally Posted by RocketDawg
Even had we sponsored AAU programs, do you honestly think that moron could sign anything more then a 2 or 3 star? One of the main reasons we fired him (aside from the incompetence and total lack of coaching) was because we basically would have missed out on every legacy we had and that would have buried our program even worse then it is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I'd be shocked if this team makes any sort of postseason play. They're heartless and not good. SOS doesn't lie, and we played one of - it not the - worst schedules in the NCAA so far. That we're being exposed in SEC play is the least surprising part of this season. We hired the bootleg version of Stands. Postseason play this year or GTFO should be what Cohen tells Howland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I can't tell you how many times I've thought this when I bother to watch us play. Sorely disappointed with Howland so far. He's undoubtedly increased our talent level, but damn we look poorly coached. And we're not very good on D, which is supposed to be his hallmark. He'll get one more year, but this shit has to improve quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Nope. We will make the NIT this season if Howland starts our best five which we have stated ad nauseum. He gets four years to make the NCAA tournament which we will dance next year...Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
I'd be happy if we make the NIT this year. But I put the chances at less than 50% based on what we've seen so far. We can't win away from the Hump and we can't win regularly against good teams at the Hump now that we're in SEC play. Not a good way to make the postseason. If we were lights out at home, I'd be more optimistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
All we have to do to make the NIT is win a few games. Our SOS is already up to 144 and our RPI will be around 60 after we play Kentucky. We have 5-6 attainable wins left on the schedule. Get it done
Not very good on D???Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
To be fair, its been a long time since we had a winning SEC record. I'd be thrilled with a 10-8 SEC record.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
I will be thrilled if we can somehow get in the nitQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
If We get to 9 wins we prob make the tourney this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
people tend to forget we were 10-6 in the league the year we went to final four..
shows how good the league was then and now..
We need 10 SEC wins to get in the tourney - our 144 SOS has pretty much caused that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
What will be interesting to see how the board reacts if Stans gets WKU in the tourney in year 2. Currently they have an RPI of 46. They probably need to win their tourney, but they have a top 25 SOS and will most likely be a bubble team down the stretch.
To also be fair- Stands never faced an 18 game SEC schedule against the whole SEC and not protected by playing 2 games each against a weak West. He was the only SEC coach to vote against that. We know why tooQuote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
I am not sure they have to win the conference. That Purdue win could get them in assuming they are around the top of their conferenceQuote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
We are hoping NIT- NCAA is not really feasible. Hell, it took Stands 4 years and he had recruited his team when he got the job. Nobody cares what Stands does at a Mid-Major. It's easier to win in little school basketball.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
I didn't look at their schedule, can't believe they beat Purdue.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I was not in the fire Stans crowd, so it would be interesting to see how the board would react to Stans making the tourney in year 2 at WKU while we are in year 6 of a rebuild. I'm sure most people would be happy for Stans............................................. .................................................. ..........
It's easier to make the NCAA tourney in whatever shit conference that WKU is in as opposed to the SEC? Really? So if Stans makes the NCAA it will be because he took the easy road to the NCAA by taking WKU to the tourney possibly? I guess I can understand that logic if he just wins the tourney, but if he gets an at large bid, then that argument goes out the window.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Western Kentucky has made the NCAA Tourney 4 times the last 10 years and has more appearances in their history than State does. Making it there would surprise nobody. You get fired when you dontQuote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Who gives a shit.. just like I don?t hive a shit if RR wins 1 game or 30 games with SEMOQuote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
I swear I think Stands is the Freeze to some of our fan base..
7 appearances since 2001 says yes it isQuote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
There's no doubt about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Since joining CUSA they haven't been - and they used to run rough shod over the Sun Belt, but they haven't been at large worthy since Darrin Horn's kids were there in 2009.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
If Stans get them an at large bid, it will be an accomplishment.
It's still little boy basketballQuote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Good info. I had no idea they have missed the tourney so much latelyQuote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
made it back to back in 2012 and 2013. This is only their 4th year in Conf USA- 15-17 last year under StandsQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
They were 21-11 in 2014 and didnt make it
They were 20-12 in 2015 and didnt make it
Ahhh... I missed the at large part. Thought he said they have missed the tourney since 2009Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
At large worthy is a narrow, narrow window in a mid-major conference. They have had 3 appearances since Horn left in ?09. That?s 3 more than we?ve had. It?s not like Stands inherited a rebuild either, although they were short handed due to 3 players being kicked out of school (which resulted in Ray Harper resigning). Harper took Jax St to the NCAAs in his first year last year, turning around a team that went 8-23 the year before. Should win the OVC this year sitting at 15-6.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Stans had a winning record against every team in the Sec Except KY and FL. Keep on with your hate Stans bullshit. You got what you wanted and boy have we sucked since then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Thats a lie- Stands was 6-9 vs TennesseeQuote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
He was propped up playing a weakass SEC West schedule every season. We were never as good as the top the 3 teams in the East year after year.
And, the LAST winning team was when? And, WHO led the unending campaign against said coach?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
never--shit I thought We won the SEC and didn't lose a road game--Plus He won the Tourney. Excuse me on Tn. he just played who was on His Schedule . Our Football team and baseball team only play some teams every so often. Our football team plays Ga-Fla-Tn once in a blue moon. So why are you picking on basketball? Oh I know,it is what you do. It looks like we were as good as TN at least 6 times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
All I know is that you can pick any consecutive five year term during Stans' tenure and you are going to find two trips to the NCAA tourney in those five years. He was a good coach. I wish we still had his level of success here, I don't want him back, but I would love to have his results back.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiscuitEater
Stansbury won more SEC Championships in his last 10 years than any other SEC program except Kentucky 12. Mississippi State 8. (Florida 6) Western Conference Champion: 2003, 2004, 2007, 2008, 2010. SEC Tournament Champion: 2002, 2009. Overall SEC Champion: 2004. Under the leadership of Stansbury, MSU's teams were always a threat in the SEC Tournament, reaching the finals of the tournament four times, winning twice. His SEC Tournament record is 16-12. 6
Kind of speaks for itself.