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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
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Have you actually been watching our football games beginning to end?Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
Anyone that has watched Dak so far, has to admit that what we need right now is a solid backup for Dak, not a compliment.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Any QB that we sign will be battling for the backup spot with Damien, not battling with Dak. That is a good thing. Reading through this thread, its a little disappointing in how we have gotten where we are with this potential QB signee.
The poster above is right, as far as I know the guys we have signed that have gotten signed by a team that I can think of is Quay, Nick, and the bears signing the kid from Louisville that is now at Jackson State.
don't understand the question - all I'm saying is we need him for football first and to go ahead and make sure that is secured ....what the hell does your question mean ? ... I know Dak and Williams have performed pretty good ... against inferior opponents - or are you trying to maintain your image as a smartassQuote:
Originally Posted by engie
If he's All-SEC out the gate I'd want him on the court. The bball team is starving right now. Football is #1 but the bball team is about to die from lack of bodies. That's IF he's All-SEC which ain't no way in hell he is right now. No disrespect to Staley but only NBA lottery picks could join a team and immediately be All-SEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Well, I was wrong. Per Paul Jones, Elijah's dad said he is pursuing early graduation.
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Originally Posted by C222
Paul just tweeted,
Paul Jones @PJ247Sports 9m
2014 MSU commit Elijah Staley's father tells Bulldawgs247 that Staley is now pursuing early graduation from high school to be at MSU in Jan.
Thats good for us. Hate his high school career ending like it did.
That is great news, as long as he comes in with his head screwed on straight. It would also be a good thing if his parents also made their social media outlets private.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Your original question made it sound like you don't even realize Williams, a true freshman that has looked good, even exists. It was worded badly -- hence my question.Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
All we "need" is solid depth to compete to be a starter in 2-3 years when Dak leaves.
I'm sure there will be some lessons learned about commenting publicly on locker room issues, but if that's the reason he was dismissed then the coach needs a head exam. There's a million ways to deal with that all of which are better ways to help and educate a tough man about the rights and wrongs of the world. Giving up on him by kicking him off the team when he's never even been suspended before seems like a dumb knee jerk reaction.
Step one: suspend him.
Step two: dismiss him.
Seems like they forgot step one.
+100000Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Anyone that doesn't think Dak will be starter for the next two years is simply fooling themselves. This will be good for Elijah - he needs to be redshirted and have a chance to work on his QB fundamentals that he clearly has not been getting over the last few years.
This is why social media is just scary. It appears from another article that they tried to work something out:Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Coaching in the social media days is just extremely difficult.Quote:
Wheeler quarterback Elijah Staley has been dismissed from the team after a 38-9 loss to Milton on Friday and the commotion that followed. A disagreement between player and coach occurred after a poor first half from the Wildcats and the 6-foot-6 Mississippi State commit was benched in the second half.
From there things went downhill. Family members of the senior passer took to twitter to criticize the decision to sideline the star and the way in which the dual-threat quarterback was being used in the offense. Amidst the tension, Wheeler head coach Mike Collins was forced to make a decision this week and concluded that it would be detrimental to the team and a distraction to have Staley remain on the roster for the second half of the season. Collins met members of the family this week, but continued criticism thwarted any chance of resolving the issue.
Staley was unable to attend Cobb County touchdown club midseason banquet on Monday to receive his award for offensive player of the week earlier in the season. The quarterback completed 64 of 101 pass attempts for 1,015 yards, 10 touchdowns and five interceptions in his five-game season.
Wheeler opened up 2013 with a 44-14 win over Sprayberry and a 59-10 rout over Pope. Three straight losses to Langston Hughes, Etowah and Friday’s humiliating loss to Milton quickly switched the atmosphere. Staley also stars on the Wildcats basketball team and is committed to play both sports on the collegiate stage next season.
Hopefully this was the first and only incidentQuote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Quay Evans never had a fight with his coach and I know this for a fact. You don't think there are other players in this country that are mad about how they are used? If I was Staley, I'd be pissed about the play calling to especially with Vonte Jackson and several other D1 players on the team. The coach always got with Staley at halftime to make adjustments based on what the team was doing. Staley suggested passing more, guess the coach didn't feel the same and wanted to stick with was not working. I, for one, am glad we have a guy with a fire in his belly to win.
This is the best possible spin we can put on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogBanker
I know I would be making fun of the bears, barners, or tigah's if their commits were getting kicked off their team for arguing with their head coach. This is not a good thing, its not fatal, but its not a good thing. coaches are stubborn (Hello Tyler Russell and Dan), if you think that simply arguing with the head coach is a good thing and that it shows fire in his belly, in high school I think you are setting up for disappointment.
For the record, I'm not at all saying this. I don't know what he's going to do; my only point was that him not playing the rest of his football season doesn't make enrolling early any easier for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by SignalToNoise
I'm not sure how that opinion would be 'having your head in the sand' anyway.
Apparently, Elijah wanted more control over the offense and the ability to audible check-downs, and that was the disagreement.
Frankly, I am excited that we have a QB coming in that understands the game well enough to do this. Peyton Manning got in trouble for doing the same thing in high school.
Yeah, but its interesting how his parents handled it - He took Peyton to the coach's house to apologize.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Staley's parents went to twitter and message board to bash the hell out of the coach.
Im not saying what Peyton's parents did was the right thing, but it seems like it has worked out for Peyton.
I agree with you here, but I also agree with Hancock that this can't continue if he comes here.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I like that he wants to win and is passionate, but as the leader of a team you have to know when to say something and how to say it. No offense to coachcamp, but the family also needs to stay out of it publicly. The last thing any team needs is for their team leader and family members to publicly question the coaching.
Sounds a lot like Kodi Augustus to me. Hopefully, no such thing happens here.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
@smotness you guys should not have. opinions until you know the story! If you want, me and u can speak on the phone. That way, you can inform the others on this blog.
There will be idiot fans everywhere. MSU has plenty. My advice is to pay zero attention to them. If Elijah can be enrolled at MSU in December he can be playing basketball for MSU IN JANUARY! That is AWESOME!! Forget about the stupid high school drama and look at the opportunity that your son has RIGHT NOW. Get him enrolled at MSU ASAP. Jarnell Stokes did this same exact thing two years ago for Tennessee. I am very excited to watch Elijah at MSU starting in January.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachcamp
Fair enough, I certainly don't know the whole story. I personally don't feel I need to know everything to believe what I posted; it was just a general statement that seems to apply here.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachcamp
I won't comment further on it out of fairness to you guys, and I certainly don't mean anything against you or your family personally. I don't know you guys and won't pretend to, and I remain just as excited as I ever have been that Elijah will be in Starkville next year.
@dawg61 I try to keep it real with everyone. Elijah has been to talk to that Coach plenty of times in the last 2 years. He basically tells Eli to get out his office.. he does the samething with me and im the 8th grade coach.
He has no relationship with none of his players.. Its all about Coach.. Weve even tried to talk to him about getting a qb coach that I WOULD PAY FOR.. He said no. Elijah is only allowed to change the pass protection. No Audibles.. Hell, he cant even change the snap count.
Bottom line is, thats no way to handle a player for 1 incident.
@smotness.. Im not mad. Me and my wife tweet so the coach will see it because he wont talk until its to late. Like now we have met 3 times.. smh.. to late now.
If Elijah stays through the spring at Wheeler what are the chances he plays both basketball and football for MSU? With these new events he can be enrolled and playing basketball in January when that coach is still trying to explain why he kicked off the two-sport star that's currently playing basketball on ESPN vs Kentucky and John Calipari. Forget about the Wheeler coach and try to see the new opportunity that just became available for Eli. That's my advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachcamp
My recommendation to coach is go media silent and try to learn from this.
Im sure the coach is a dickhead, most of them are, but after all of the stuff I have read on twitter that Im assuming was posted by your wife, it probably made it impossible for the coach to do anything else. Personally I dont think kids should pay for the sins of the parents, but this world of social media is causing like this to happen.
My only concern is what happens when Elijah sits for the next two years? Some players can't sit on the bench for two years, happily. Hopefully Elijah will welcome it, but its something he needs to be ready for. Best of luck to y'all, this has to be a difficult time.
Its a 99% chance that he enrolls early now. If Coach Mullen still wnts him. We are talkin with him today to see whats up.
@Hancock.. me and my wife speak freely. The sameway Ive seen u do on this public blog..
Coach, obviously I hope Mullen still wants him, I certainly do.
Assuming he does enroll early, will playing basketball immediately during the spring semester be an option? I'm sure he would be getting acclimated to football during that time as well, but he could obviously help us now in basketball and I believe he would still have 5 to play 4 for football.
@smotness.. for sure..
Coach - I grew up around kids that had vocal parents who ended up playing college ball - and if there had been the internet back in the day, who knows what would of happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachcamp
The problem with the internet is that its goes on forever. You can never take it back, and something should just not be put out there.
THere is going to come a time that Elijah will be unhappy with his playing time or playcalling at MSU - it will happen. He won't see the field for the next two seasons. There will be a time that he, you and your wife will be frustrated. Taking to the internet to complain simply isn't the right option. At the end of the day, I have a feeling if nothing had ever been posted, and your son had apologized, he might have made it back to the team, maybe not, maybe the coach is that big of a dickhead. Sounds like he is.
If I have a kid that is playing HS or college sports, the last thing I would do is go on a public message board, twitter or facebook and bash the hell out of the coach. It serves no purpose but to inflame the situation. I hope everyone learns from this and can move on.
Hancock, I agree with what your saying, but we should just stay out of this and let Mullen handle this stuff. Its really not our place. That being said, I am extremely excited about Elijah and look forward to having a young QB on campus that understands football and wants the game to placed on his shoulders. He is obviously a great competitor, but just needs to channel that the right way. Mullen will get the best out of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
people do different things different ways- that's the bottom line.
Hopefully Elijah enrolls early, joins the bball team, starts working out, and has a good Spring during football. It may end up being something that turns into a real positive for him and his college career
Bring on Staley! Wonder what number he wants to wear.
Everything indicates that Elijah is the #1 QB on our recruiting board so I don't think there would be any question that he's still very much wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachcamp
Eli will get a 6 month head start with the S&C coach plus most likely see the floor vs SEC competition in basketball AND start developing and learning the QB position from the man that taught Tim Tebow, Chris Leak, Cam Newton and Alex Smith. Elijah Staley today is in a much more favorable position for development over where he was just one week ago. It's funny how things that don't seem to be positive end up being exactly just that. A positive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Im not here to debate with you about what we did.You really dnt knw the situation so its best if you just be quiet Hancock.. If you care to know what happened, you to can contact me. Mr HanCock.
Thanks for this. I hate how Hancock is trying to give advice. Seems quite inappropriate.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachcamp