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01-09-2018, 12:52 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Key doesnt step in tonight and do what Tua did. Key had his shot in the Egg Bowl and turned the ball over a couple of times and lost- against an OM D. Tua did for the NC against a good Georgia D. Sure- I'll take your $100

Exactly. Tua is freaking special
01-09-2018, 12:52 AM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Key doesnt step in tonight and do what Tua did. Key had his shot in the Egg Bowl and turned the ball over a couple of times and lost- against an OM D. Tua did for the NC against a good Georgia D. Sure- I'll take your $100

KO
01-09-2018, 12:53 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

FAU and Lane will take him.

Lane has been tweeting about him all season.

Good call. I didn't think about that.
01-09-2018, 12:54 AM
Gutter Cobreh

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Coach, I heavily respect your
Opinion but Key’s issue vs Louisville was his WRs, not him.

I am convicted that Key is a more natural passer and QB prospect than Tau

I’ll bet you $100 bucks today that Key is drafted higher. Tau is a more athletic Kellen Moore and pushes the football. Once SEC’s do work on him, things will get tougher

Both Hurts and Tau are better than Fitz, but Key is more talented than both ceiling wise.

Want to bet?

Have you lost your ever loving mind? Did you watch the same NC game that I did?

Tau throws as pretty of a pass that you'll ever see. Did you see what he just did on the biggest stage versus what Key did in the Egg Bowl? I'm not down on Key, but you're WAAAYYY off on this one!

You'd squelch on the bet if Coach took you up on it anyway, so it's all a mute point.
01-09-2018, 12:55 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Key doesnt step in tonight and do what Tua did. Key had his shot in the Egg Bowl and turned the ball over a couple of times and lost- against an OM D. Tua did for the NC against a good Georgia D. Sure- I'll take your $100

I disagree. I think Key does every bit of what Tau did tonight.

I think Bama was prepared to play Tau, while I don't think Mullen was prepared to play Key. That alone is the difference IMO.

Key is bigger, steps up into the pocket better, & has a more natural arm stroke than Tau.

You're on. $100 bet that Key gets drafted higher than Tau as a QB. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly eat crow.
01-09-2018, 12:56 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

Have you lost your ever loving mind? Did you watch the same NC game that I did?

Tau throws as pretty of a pass that you'll ever see. Did you see what he just did on the biggest stage versus what Key did in the Egg Bowl? I'm not down on Key, but you're WAAAYYY off on this one!

You'd squelch on the bet if Coach took you up on it anyway, so it's all a mute point.

Tau pushes the football. He in absolutely no way throws the ball like an NFL QB.

His 2nd TD pass was thrown to another guy & Ridley cut in front & his last one was to a wide open guy.

Key is more talented at the ingredients that make NFL QBs successful.

Do you want to bet as well?
01-09-2018, 12:57 AM
Dawg-gone-dawgs

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

My guesses:

Somewhere in Texas
Florida (Probably not allowed)
Ole Miss (Even less likely to be allowed by Bama)

my guess. Florida Atlantic
01-09-2018, 12:58 AM
bluelightstar

This is insanity. First, Fitz would not be as good as Jalen at Alabama. Second,Jalen has issues but one of them is that Saban brought in an NFL OC to deal with him. With a Mullen, Jalen would be putting up stupid numbers (like he did with Kiffin!).
01-09-2018, 12:58 AM
Dawg-gone-dawgs

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Originally Posted by Coach34

you mf'ers are insane. Hurts is every bit as good as Fitz right now. Hell, Mullen lost out on Hurts to Bama.

Only State fans would say a guy that is 25-2 as a starting QB couldnt play for us. Wow

WHO THE HELL CARES??? HE AINT COMING HERE!!!!
01-09-2018, 01:00 AM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I disagree. I think Key does every bit of what Tau did tonight.

I think Bama was prepared to play Tau, while I don't think Mullen was prepared to play Key. That alone is the difference IMO.

Key is bigger, steps up into the pocket better, & has a more natural arm stroke than Tau.

You're on. $100 bet that Key gets drafted higher than Tau as a QB. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly eat crow.

I love Key and 100% believe he will be drafted- but Tua is the better prospect right now and likely continues to be
01-09-2018, 01:01 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

Did you see what he just did on the biggest stage versus what Key did in the Egg Bowl? I

To add, this has nothing to do with who is more talented & who is the better draft prospect. It's just an insignificant point that confuses evaluators.

Yes, Tau is currently more advanced. My guess is that he received more coaching, camps, etc than Key did at a young age, but Key has better ingredients to be an NFL QB.

If you don't believe me, just wait and see.

Also, please call me out when I'm wrong. If I'm wrong, I want the entire world to know.
01-09-2018, 01:02 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I love Key and 100% believe he will be drafted- but Tua is the better prospect right now and likely continues to be

I respectfully disagree.

There is no comparison IMO as to which guy has a higher ceiling in throwing out of a well in the pocket.
01-09-2018, 01:04 AM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I disagree. I think Key does every bit of what Tau did tonight.

I think Bama was prepared to play Tau, while I don't think Mullen was prepared to play Key. That alone is the difference IMO.

Key is bigger, steps up into the pocket better, & has a more natural arm stroke than Tau.

You're on. $100 bet that Key gets drafted higher than Tau as a QB. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly eat crow.

This is the only thing I agree with you on. Key was not ready to play in that EB
01-09-2018, 01:07 AM
RougeDawg

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

This is insanity. First, Fitz would not be as good as Jalen at Alabama. Second,Jalen has issues but one of them is that Saban brought in an NFL OC to deal with him. With a Mullen, Jalen would be putting up stupid numbers (like he did with Kiffin!).

Fitz led the SEC in total yards in 2016. He already was better than Jalen, at State. Give Fitz WR's who adjust and catch passes that hit their hands and he's a finalist in NYC. Not sure why this is so difficult to see. We have average WR's at best who do not have great hands and/or the ability to make plays and adjust to the ball. Bama has a stable of these types of guys.
01-09-2018, 01:09 AM
ShotgunDawg

Exhibit 1

Go to 24:10 on the video. The pocket presence, velocity, accuracy, & actions that Key shows on this throw are something that Tau cannot do. Tau may be able to make this throw, but not like this. This is what future NFL QBs look like.

Because Tau's low, push arm path, he can't throw the football downhill with velocity. Key has a higher slot & throws the ball downhill. The arm strength & carry isn't close.

Also check out the arm strength that Key shows at 12:40 on the video. Tau doesn't have that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ReNuiYAJgg
01-09-2018, 01:11 AM
bluelightstar

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Fitz led the SEC in total yards in 2016. He already was better than Jalen, at State. Give Fitz WR's who adjust and catch passes that hit their hands and he's a finalist in NYC. Not sure why this is so difficult to see. We have average WR's at best who do not have great hands and/or the ability to make plays and adjust to the ball. Bama has a stable of these types of guys.

I don’t want to be that guy, but a part of that was Fitz having 600 yards against Samford and Arkansas. In 2016, our offense no-showed against good teams. That’s not a Fitz knock at all.
01-09-2018, 01:20 AM
RougeDawg

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

I don?t want to be that guy, but a part of that was Fitz having 600 yards against Samford and Arkansas. In 2016, our offense no-showed against good teams. That?s not a Fitz knock at all.

You don't have to be that guy because Bama played Kent State, Western Kentucky, Chattanooga, and Kentucky in 2016 as well. They played almost identical schedules as we did. The did play USC and was only major difference in regular season. They got a terrible Tennessee team while we got an average South Carolina.
01-09-2018, 01:25 AM
bluelightstar

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

You don't have to be that guy because Bama played Kent State, Western Kentucky, Chattanooga, and Kentucky in 2016 as well. They played almost identical schedules as we did. The did play USC and was only major difference in regular season. They got a terrible Tennessee team while we got an average South Carolina.

Yeah but we had to play starters that whole game. We were in a one score game until the 4Q, for example. I can buy that Fitz progresses this year, but I can’t believe you watched both QBs in *2016* and thought Fitz was better than Hurts.
01-09-2018, 01:36 AM
RougeDawg

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

Yeah but we had to play starters that whole game. We were in a one score game until the 4Q, for example. I can buy that Fitz progresses this year, but I can?t believe you watched both QBs in *2016* and thought Fitz was better than Hurts.

Well because that's not what i said. I said swap the teams and Fitz gets invited to NYC. I said Bama's talent elevated a ho hum Hurts and made him look much better than he actually is. All things equal and Fitz is the better QB. Period. Having a better year does not make a player better.
01-09-2018, 01:48 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Well because that's not what i said. I said swap the teams and Fitz gets invited to NYC. I said Bama's talent elevated a ho hum Hurts and made him look much better than he actually is. All things equal and Fitz is the better QB. Period. Having a better year does not make a player better.

Hurts throws better than Fitz but hasn’t been developed like Fitz. I would take Hurts over Fitz.

My Alabama/MSU QB ranking on the basis of NFL ceiling is:

Key
Tau
Hurts
Fitz
01-09-2018, 01:51 AM
parabrave

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Originally Posted by msstate7

He will go elsewhere, not here, but elsewhere. He is done at bama

Isn't A@M looking for a QB?
01-09-2018, 09:25 AM
Interpolation_Dawg_EX

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Hurts in not a great QB. Put any QB in at Bama and they'll win 9 a year minimum.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

who said he is great? He's a good college QB

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01-09-2018, 09:53 AM
Bubb Rubb

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Agree. I do think Key is better than Hurts and Tau though.

Bigger with more accuracy and natural arm stroke than both.

This might be the craziest thing I've ever seen on this board.
01-09-2018, 09:58 AM
Bubb Rubb

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I respectfully disagree.

There is no comparison IMO as to which guy has a higher ceiling in throwing out of a well in the pocket.

There are a million guys out there that have the talent to do that. The ones who can do it, while remaining composed, checking off receivers, looking off safeties, while a true freshman in his first significant playing time of the year in overtime of the national championship game? You can count on two hands the number of quarterbacks able to do that. You saw one of them last night. To say Key is better than him is beyond retarded. Respectfully, it's quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read.
01-09-2018, 10:01 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Bubb Rubb

This might be the craziest thing I've ever seen on this board.

We’ll see. I’m sticking to my instincts on this.
01-09-2018, 10:11 AM
basedog

Well I would rather have Bama's wide receivers than any of their Qb's.
01-09-2018, 10:12 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by basedog

Well I would rather have Bama's wide receivers than any of their Qb's.

Unfortunately, they are better than us at both positions
01-09-2018, 10:18 AM
Joe Schmedlap

Hurts is extremely good and probably does return to a school in Texas. I’d guess TCU.
01-09-2018, 10:19 AM
Covercorner2

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Originally Posted by Coach34

you mf'ers are insane. Hurts is every bit as good as Fitz right now. Hell, Mullen lost out on Hurts to Bama.

Only State fans would say a guy that is 25-2 as a starting QB couldnt play for us. Wow

What is insane is comparing Hurt's supporting cast at Bama to Fitz's at State the past two years. Come on, man.
01-09-2018, 10:22 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Joe Schmedlap

Hurts is extremely good and probably does return to a school in Texas. I’d guess TCU.

Could happen. I think he would be better suited at Texas though with Herman (urban offense guy)
01-09-2018, 10:26 AM
basedog

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Unfortunately, they are better than us at both positions

Vision this, Fitz at Bama and Hurts at Msu, now, you say Hurts is better? Can't see Hurts being a better QB, he can't read secondary coverage at all. He has to throw on the move and his receivers help him out about 100%.
01-09-2018, 10:28 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by basedog

Vision this, Fitz at Bama and Hurts at Msu, now, you say Hurts is better? Can't see Hurts being a better QB, he can't read secondary coverage at all. He has to throw on the move and his receivers help him out about 100%.

Tua is better.
01-09-2018, 10:30 AM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by basedog

Vision this, Fitz at Bama and Hurts at Msu, now, you say Hurts is better? .

Yes- Hurts would have been a 1,000 yard rusher in our offense completed just as many or more 1 read throws as Fitz did.
01-09-2018, 10:31 AM
confucius say

They can keep hurts. I'd rather have Raekwon. Tell saban we'll trade him our kicker (no offense to jace).
01-09-2018, 10:33 AM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Yes- Hurts would have been a 1,000 yard rusher in our offense completed just as many or more 1 read throws as Fitz did.

And Fitz would have played and lead Bama to a National Title.
01-09-2018, 10:33 AM
Covercorner2

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Originally Posted by basedog

Vision this, Fitz at Bama and Hurts at Msu, now, you say Hurts is better? Can't see Hurts being a better QB, he can't read secondary coverage at all. He has to throw on the move and his receivers help him out about 100%.

Exactly. Citing a QBs record as a starter at Bama is not exactly the best way to judge his talent. Honestly, you couldn't get more off-base. Have you seen the guys they have trotted out that led them to NC/SEC titles? Coker, Sims, McElroy, etc.

I guess Hurts is better than Baker Mayfield and Josh Rosen because he has a better record.
01-09-2018, 10:42 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Yes- Hurts would have been a 1,000 yard rusher in our offense completed just as many or more 1 read throws as Fitz did.

100% agree
01-09-2018, 10:45 AM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Covercorner2

Exactly. Citing a QBs record as a starter at Bama is not exactly the best way to judge his talent. Honestly, you couldn't get more off-base. Have you seen the guys they have trotted out that led them to NC/SEC titles? Coker, Sims, McElroy, etc.

I guess Hurts is better than Baker Mayfield and Josh Rosen because he has a better record.

Hurts in 2016- 23 TD's 9 picks 62.8%
Hurts in 2017- 17 TD's 1 pick 60.6% (after losing Lane Kiffin for a more pro style)

Hurts 40 TD's....10 picks...4900 yards... 60-plus completion percentage
01-09-2018, 10:50 AM
BullDog

He abandons the pocket way too early. Our guys are better
01-09-2018, 10:54 AM
ShotgunDawg

Ceiling

Key
Tau
Hurts
Fitz

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