Lol...so that's a big difference? It took Dak 5 years to develop that . Lamar was/is doing more in 3 years. Lamar also did more with less talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
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Lol...so that's a big difference? It took Dak 5 years to develop that . Lamar was/is doing more in 3 years. Lamar also did more with less talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Why? Dak did his in 2.5 years. Jackson did his in 3 years. And dak faced more nfl talent while in college.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
So your argument is Jackson developed more quickly? Ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Go look at jacksons stats against sec defenses. They suck. Then go look at daks.
What part of 5 years are you missing? Is it Jackson's fault Dak didn't beat the guys In front of him? He also plays in the ACC it's loaded with NFL talent and former and runner up national champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Dak had better talent around him. However, Dak couldn't have done what Jackson did at Louisville. We definitely would have won a national title with Lamar JacksonQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Sorry your maroon colored glasses don't allow you to see why the years they played make a difference.... Big difference in a 17-18 YO and a 22 YO that has developed for 3 years before seeing meaningful snaps under one of the best QB coaches in the college game. Lamar was able to do it right out of high school with arguably less talent around him. The guy was the youngest player to ever win a Heisman man. But yea hes garbage and can't throw. What a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Sorry your argument doesn't compute. And lets see if Lamar ends up in a situation as taylormade for him as Dallas is for Dak. More than likely Lamar will end up in a sh** situation. If Dak was playing for the Browns he would already be out of the league more than likely.
Dak was a below average to average passer up until his senior year and that is a fact. He had more help around him his junior year and that offset/ hid some deficiencies in his passing game. And I am proud Dak is a Dog and hope that he has a long and successful career but his passing ability isn't what makes him great, his intangibles are what makes Dak great.
and statistically speaking for the 3 years since you apparently don't think it matters we can just compare Daks first three years to Lamar's first three(who was better in their first 3 years?):
Lamar Jackson: 619-1086 57% 9,043 yds 69 TDS 27 INT 2.55 TD/INT
Dak Prescott: 418- 692 60.7% 5,583 yds 41 TDS 18 INT 2.27 TD/INT
Rushing:
Lamar Jackson 655att 4,132yds 50 TDS 6.3 YPC
Dak 376att 1,933yds 31 TDS 5.14 YPC
Nothing but the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by BB30
Who cares how long each was in college. Dak put up better passing stats than Jackson while taking less snaps. Fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Sec has had more players go to NFL than Acc for 12 straight years. Again, Go look what Jackson did against sec teams.
Dak also wasn't asked to do nearly as much in the passing game as Lamar was and his YPA were less than Jacksons. Louisvilles passing game was a tad more vertical than States was under Mullen.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
And for the record I am not saying Dak wasn't a good college QB or didn't deserve to be taken higher in the draft. A pile of NFL teams screwed up not drafting him although the situation he is in has had a whole lot to do with his success. All I am saying is Lamar jackson has all of the tools needed to make a very good NFL QB.
If anything yall arguing Dak is as good as Lamar are making an argument for why Lamar should be drafted high. They are similar players with Lamar being a bit more explosive. I don't follow Lville enough to know what type of character L. Jackson is but I haven't heard or seen anything negative about him.
Who is also used in the shotgun!Quote:
Originally Posted by CarolinaDawgs
Maybe you should read my argument. I never said I wouldn't take Lamar over dak on a college team. This is about the NFL and passing in college. At least those were my point. Try readingQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Lol... so in other words you have nothing else to argue. Cool, because Lamar is better than Dak in college in passing. Try reading and comprehending. Stats don't lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Let's get this straight. Your argument is less means more. So how would you possibly compare what Lamar did against SEC schools if he only played 5 games against them? His record against ranked teams is better than Dak's.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Rumor is that the Giants are considering taking him with pick #2, so actual teams may not be so skeptical of his NFL QB potential.
Wow. That would actually put him in the same spot as RG3, who I think is a good comparison. RG3 could have been good if not for injuries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Omg please let this be true!!!! And there is zero chance they are this stupid......well I think. But I pray this ridiculous rumor is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Why is this such a hot topic on a MSU board?
Yall need to get this passionate about our teams and players.
Me try reading? Wtf? Twice as good of a passer? Did I say that? No that was said about Lamar over dak. The stats say that's bullshit you stupid ass. Go pull the passing stats. That's what it's based on. Nobody gives a shit about runnin in the NFLQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
28 please pull those passing stats you speak of pal..... should be good.
Very few are back fully invested in basketball and our recruiting is very boring right now. Just not a lot to talk about right nowQuote:
Originally Posted by West Tn Dawg
Talk about reading. I posted all of his stats earlier vs Dak. Scroll back upQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Yes you did..... so show me in those stats posted where he, lamar, was even with dak, much less twice as good. Hell he never ever completed 60% of his passes. Ever!! So again, I ask for you to post the stats where lamar is BETTER than dak. I won't even ask for twice as good anymore. Just please try. Were the stats close? Yep. But dak's were better. Yep. I hate it when stats agree w me. But continue to argue if you willQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
You accept a small portion of the data. That portion is the ONLY piece Dak leads and only by 300 yards. That's as ignorant as it gets. The entire body of work is clear and anyone outside MSU homer glasses sees it. Let's see if he is drafted before Dak in the 4th round. If your facts are correct he's a free agent or 5th round at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
What small portion? Better comp rate? More yards. More td. Less int. Better qb rating even though the qb rating includes running. Wow. Yeah I've missed it. Dude you've come to a fun fight w a damn pocket knife. Find once where I said lamar wasn't good. Once. I said dak was a better college passer. And your stupid ass continues to argue. But again carry on.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
ETA, I never said he wouldn't be drafted higher than dak. I said he was t Pryor, don't think he will be a good NFL qb. With that said, that won't be proven for a few years. What is proven is that dak was a better college passer in almost every category!!
1. I don't know what "less means more" means. My argument is dak was a better passer in college than Jackson and put up better numbers despite taking less snaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
2. He played 7 sec teams. That's 18% of his games. Plenty large enough sample size.
Don't start letting FACTS get in the way of his argument. It's amazing really.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
18% is a large percentage of what total number ? What are you smoking? Biased much? Keep up the good work homer.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
The last i checked they both play Qb. It consists of running and passing. If your brain cant comprehend that numbers show Jackson is better your on the lines of a 5 year old. You win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
The thread was started about Lamar turning pro. Thus, the emphasis on passing!! If you think running and passing as a qb in he the NFL are equal I can't help you. But no worries, Lamar was the batter passer in college ********Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
18% is a "large enough" sample size. You take stats? It is not merely a coincidence that in his 7 sec games his numbers were much worse on the average than the other 32 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28