They don't have any recruits we want this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
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They don't have any recruits we want this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Didn’t his buddy sign at Memphis? Or did he just visit? If so, it would be hilarious if he went to Memphis instead of OM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
No. And with the way scholarships are going to be handled in the future, it’s going to be tougher to sign guys just to get someone. Whop made a tough decision. Give me kids like that over these that get sand in their vag over their friends not coming with them.
I don?t think he is the flipping kind either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
Every decision he?s made thus far has been extremely conservative. He?ll need to alter that.
Possibly the number 1 reason the history of flips is so poor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Yep, exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Moorhead would have to have his head stuck in the sand for him not to know how recruiting goes on down here. OM's ncaa case is well known. And how do you come to the conclusion that all of Moorhead's decisions have been conservative to this point? He's offered scholarships to 2 qb's from other areas of the country. That's not in our dna history.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
What decisions have been conservative? Conservative would've been keeping half the staff like our fans want. Conservative would've been keeping Jaylen Reed even though he's not a SEC ball player. Conservative would've been to take Corione even though he didn't like him just to get Whop. Conservative would've meant not hiring 2 potential former OM players. I don't think you get what conservative is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I think there?s a clear history to indicate how they win recruiting battles. It?s not the coaching staff?s job to win that battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Some people just don't get itQuote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Finally, thank you Hack and Ifyouonlyknew.
No I get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Kind of in jest making a point though that it’s going to be tough to take the next step so long as our depth gets plucked out from under us.
Even if OM is willing to pay recruits, you can’t allow them to just pluck the ones they want to pay every year. They just flipped half our DL class in the past 2 weeks.
Just curious, are we helpless against this? Are we just conceding players?
The freak out and overreaction from our fan base always amazes me. We've all known this is coming.
Ok, who’s job is it then or are we just conceding players?Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
I understand what you are saying (although your emotional whining gets old). It?s a simple equation, you need good players. It doesn?t matter if it?s expected, we can?t continue to lose recruits.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Rarely do flips matter. Normally just drama filled kids that fail to live up to the hype they attempted to create.
It’s the fact that we knew this was coming and could do nothing about it that bothers me.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
And for me, it’s not so much about Lovett as it is the bigger picture.
If they can this easily flip half our DL class, then what is going to prevent them from dominating the 2019 class, flipping future croots?
When will MSU stop allowing this to happen?
Perhaps I don’t get it. Maybe ifyouonlyknew was right, because it looks to me like we just sit back and watch OM do anything they want and then throw our hands up in helplessness.
Again, maybe I don’t get it. If so, can someone explain it?
If he didn't sign on signing day, he wasn't committed.... just like the other "commits" that didn't sign or are academic risk and we didn't send the paper work to sign.
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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg;866067[B
LOL Are you even serious? Baker can't hold a gun on a player and make him sign with us. Kids have minds of their own and influenced by a lot of different things.
Completely agree, but they don?t matter until they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
We wanted him. It?s too late to call him a bum
The recruitment of Williams is not the hill to die on. Who cares. I hope we do concede guys like him if the alternative is to get in a bidding war for an average player who is a grade risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
We'll see what happens with Lovett, but who have they ever flipped that was an impact player? Maybe CJ.
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Originally Posted by Todd4State
The only thing that will stop it is shutting the OM Network down.
It is not like OM could flip any of our guys that wanted. If that were the case, I guarantee you Williams and Lovett would not be their choiceQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Define Allowing, Shotgun. You can’t control everything and everybody and we are not losing any recruits we want out of malfeasance.
The NCAA had an easy chance to make a statement and punted.
One thing to remember is that some guys just don’t want to come to MSU (or anywhere else). Look at Cam Akers. OM investigation or not, we weren’t getting him. OM just attracts a different type. The only time it sucks is when those types can actually play, like AJ Brown.
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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
LOL If you believe that then you can't be helped.
Nobody is saying he can?t play. But I can say the DL next year are better. I think we get a commit from Pickering this spring/summer and Ellis gets in. We already have Moore. UM will pull one more DL too. Lots of DL help out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
The bigger picture is pick your battles. Like 5* DL and LL. Otherwise you end up with 15 level ones, no bowl for two years, ten transfers, half a signing class, a three year investigation that kills recruiting classes, Matt Luke, and multiple years of 6-6 as a ceiling.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Any chance we get Elliss in this year? That would be hugeQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Today's NFL has become a pariah to many patriotic Americans, what with the Colin Kaepernick kneeling bullshit. When they see so many Mississippi State players that are successful in the NFL, they're afraid that they'll develop such skills as to get into the League, and be forced to kneel before the National Anthem, or their opinions about Donald Trump, the economy, foreign policy, etc.
However, if they go to Ole Miss, they know they'll never have to worry about whether to kneel or not during the National Anthem, or have to answer hard questions. So, perhaps these children are trying to be patriotic Americans.
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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I think we have a winner.
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Originally Posted by msstate7
You are correct. If OM had their choice it would have been Malik Heath.
There are Fans and then...... people in this thread.
Never understood the obsession to be wrapped up in a 17 year old's life.
We had a major thread the other day about how close we were to being a realQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach
Competitor in college football and, if we could sign 2 or so more quality players a year, that might become a reality.
That why we are obsessed. Because we are close and losing recruiting battles like this hurts.
Good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Just wish MSU would combat this.
This it it. If you do cannot see this very simple point, then you are delusionally looking away from it while it hits you in the face.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
People do that, though. Most don’t want to confront the uncomfortable truth. They just want to feel good all the time so they invent safety nets like “this was expected”. Well so what, it still sucks.
That said, there is a difference between recognition of the issue and dwelling on it. At some point, you have to form your game plan to work around the issue. In this case, it seems to be to go out of state and sign a project with a chip on his shoulder.
(Or hope the NCAA busts them)
Ok, what is your solution genius? Start a bidding war for a 3star player?? Good grief you need a xanaxQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
We all do from time-to-timeQuote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
Yanxy prob has one to spare.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Agree - NFL Draft I expect an impact each year for my team. College recruiting - gotta give the kids and coaches time. Rare is the athlete that can come in as a frosh and really make an impact. Some contribute but to be fair your existing roster probably could match those results. Just can't see getting worked up about the choices of fickle 18 year-olds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg