Fitz has to get a lot better as a passer to get there. There is no doubt he’s a tough ****er and great runner. But as far as a thrower and decision maker he’s not close.
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Fitz has to get a lot better as a passer to get there. There is no doubt he’s a tough ****er and great runner. But as far as a thrower and decision maker he’s not close.
True, but we could run the ball outside the QB position in 2014. By far the primary reason we had the success we did in 2015 was Dak maturing into a near elite passer by that time and putting on some incredible performances given what he had to work with. Substitute present Fitz into that position and keep everything else the same, and that season would most likely have looked very different. Probably not far removed from 2016.Quote:
Originally Posted by PassInterference
Ahhhhh. How far have we come? From arguing over a West Coast shit offense to now arguing whether or not our current QB is better than our last ?NFL rookie of the year? QB!!!
I?m just happy that we have actual sports to speak of on a sports board. Not ascots and seersucker.
OMGQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
There is a metric... ESPN?s QBR
Dak in 2014 = 74.5 (19th nationally)
Dak in 2015 = 78.8 (14th nationally)
Fitz in 2016 = 77.4 (19th nationally)
Fitz in 2017 = 82.8 (5th nationally)
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr
Fitz is a soph and junior vs dak junior and senior. ESPN QBR supports OP
All well and good, but if you are picking a team to go play this week, who you picking to play QB?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I'll take Dak, in his college days
Your looking at Dak playing for the CowboysQuote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
Dude, literally every single person in this thread has disagreed with you. You have your opinion, and that's fine. But you're not going to convince people that Fitz is better than Dak was. Fitz is a superior runner without a doubt. Dak was far and away more polished of a passer, and he did pretty well running himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
If Fitz gets any better throwing the football and I think he will, he?ll be in NY at the heisman trophy ceremony. He?s already on pace to smash Tebow?s rushing record by a qb
Do you think I made this to get agreement? I'm not looking for popularity. Most of the same people said we'd win 6 games max this year. I said 8 was our floor. I even challenged a "Random poster" with a bet. My opinion is Fitz is better. That's no knock on Dak he just can't do things Fitz can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Intramural All-American
God Almighty, 99% of the folks on this board need a reading comprehension class. Did I not write "In his college days"? Dak in the Liberty Bowl, at LSU, Vs Aub, vs A&M etc THROWING THE BALL, Fitz has never come close to having games like that, making those throwsQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Cowboys be damned, I'd want Dak
Dak never ran for 1,000 yards in a season either. Barring injury, this will be fitz?s 2nd year in a row to do it. I still like dak better at the moment, but ESPN?s non-partial QBR shows OP isn?t presenting a ridiculous argumentQuote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
Dak didn't have to. Fitz is faster, but Dak made a ton of plays with his legs. Again, we could call different with Dak.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
*You must spread reputation*Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
What could you call with Dak that you couldn't with Fitz? I love Dak but EVERY game we've won with Dak would also been won with Fitz. Also, every game we lost with Fitz we also lose with Dak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
This thread obviously is all moot opinions. I just love the attitude, fearlessness, and competitiveness Fitz possesses. He's a baaaaddddd man!
Dak, had way better people to throw to. Fitz yesterday had some tight ends and ole # 20 who can't catch a cold. And Dak couldn't beat A&M and Fitz has beat them twiceQuote:
Originally Posted by Intramural All-American
Dak did beat A&M his Jr year. We waxed them. Score was closer than actual game.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
3rd and 10, game on the line, you get Dak his Jr year or Fitz this year, which do you pick?Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
I pick Dak
DakQuote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
3rd and 3 though, I want fitz
How about on the road, 5:45 left in the 3rd quarter, 4th and 3 against OM, leading 27-20 in last years egg bowl. Fitz hits Ross on a crossing route for a 35 yard TD!
Fitz. He has a better chance of throwing and running for it. With that distance either the LB's are blitzing or dropping back. If they blitz he can hit the outside WR. If they drop he can run and get separation enough to gain the 1st downQuote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
In response to this thread, Ruby Rhod say....
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I love Fitz, but you crazy, homie. It's like you guys are too spoiled with our QB play the past several years. Don't start losing your minds...Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
About the 3rd down question... we are converting 3rd downs at a higher rate than in 14 and 15
I never wanna see this thread end
Dak became a legend on the Ole Miss 4th down conversion. Fitz makes that same play. I just want one game that Dak won that Fitz wouldn't have done the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Fitz is a badddddd man!Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Ark. 15 off the top of my headQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
You honesty don't think Fitz could have pulled that game off?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
No
To the OP
No, not throwing the ball that night in a shoot outQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
We didn't have to throw that's what we chose to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
Dak wouldn't have beat A&M last year in Starkville. Heck, we lose last night with Dak. The sacks would have mounted up. Fitz avoids the rushQuote:
Originally Posted by Schultzy
No, current Fitz loses that game by double digits. But it's not exactly a fair comparison since that was late in Dak's senior year and Fitz could still develop into a guy that could win that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Dak's career passer rating is 146, and that's drastically brought down by his sophomore year. Fitz has been in the 120s the past two years. Dak was the frontrunner for the Heisman through 9 games his junior season and he finished #7 I believe as the best player in college football that year. Then his senior year he threw 29 tds to only 5 picks. Daks senior season his completion percentage was 10 points higher than nicks current percentage.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Fitz is an elite runner, but he is nowhere near the complete package that Dak was. Fitz hasn't had to throw the ball this year, but when he has, he's failed to do so and we've gotten blown out. He also got benched at LSU last year because he couldn't pass.
In regards to one of your questions, dak would have beaten BYU last year, USA last year, and maybe Kentucky (that wasn't on Fitz, tho). Nick would not have beaten LSU in BR in 14.
Dak was a very good passer that had above average legs. He could beat you with both. Fitz is an elite runner but below average passer. If you shut down the run, Fitz can't beat you through the air. Fortunately, we've only needed Nick to really throw it in 2 games this year, and will only need him to 1 other game (He wont).
Dak threw for almost 500 yards....Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
This is very true, but ain't close to being there yet....Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
I hope he gets there, though. I'd love it.
Again, an impartial metric (espn qbr) disagrees with you that dak was a more complete package. Do I agree with it? No, not entirely, but its unbiased and it clearly favors fitz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Intramural All-American
You guys keep bringing up passing, but the OP said better college qb. Tommie Frazier is lightyears ahead of both of them as a college qb and was not a passer at all. Running is a huge part of being a good college qb.
I?m 53 and I?ve watched a lot of bad to mediocre qbs play at State. I used to wish we could have just that one elite qb like everyone else seemed to have. I think it?s cool that we have reached the point where we are discussing which one is the best ever. Both of these guys are better than anyone in our history and we got more in the pipeline. QBU! Dang don?t it feel good!
No, QBR shows that Nick is an elite runner (top 2 in the country), but a poor passer. His running ability makes up the vast majority of that. I would not call someone a complete package who is viewed as a liability as a passer.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Fitz has 1986 total yards this year. He's on pace for 3200 total yards this year. Dak put up 4500 total yards his jr year and 4300 his Sr year.