Pawl Wants Dan....in a coaching way @ UT

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10-23-2017, 07:42 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by TUSK

Coach Mullen is probably not very high up on UT's list, right now...

Those cats are gonna swing for the fences on this next hire... They are gonna want to throw enough money at a "well known" head coach that has experience at programs they consider "bigtime"....

Some of the names floating around (in no particular order - sit down for this):
Gruden
Kelly
Kiffin (yes, Lane Kiffin)
Stoops (Bob)
Norvell
Mullin

Gruden is a pipe dream. Stoops is where they should be pushing their pile. Stoops is a very good coach that?s now had a year off to recharge.

ETA... if I missed on big names, I would strongly consider Brent Venables
10-23-2017, 07:47 PM
Jack Lambert

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

I believe Dan is extremely intelligent. If he were to take that train wreck in Knoxville I would have to re evaluate how smart I believe he is.

Tenn would have to come up with too much money to buy Jones out and to pay Mullen. They could do it but I don't think they would. I think what will happen is some coaching movement when Saban leaves. You will see high profile coaches leave Big 10 to come to the SEC and a Big 10 job will come open that Mullen will take.
10-23-2017, 07:47 PM
Liverpooldawg

Why do "our" fans insist helping the Confederates spread this stuff? "We" do it every time we start looking like we are going to have a good year. I don't get it.
10-23-2017, 07:48 PM
Political Hack

I know all that in-state talent is attractive in Tennessee, but I don't see him leaving for Knoxville. Cool town, but crap program. They aren't what they used to be and never will be again.
10-23-2017, 07:50 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

Tenn would have to come up with too much money to buy Jones out and to pay Mullen. They could do it but I don't think they would. I think what will happen is some coaching movement when Saban leaves. You will see high profile coaches leave Big 10 to come to the SEC and a Big 10 job will come open that Mullen will take.

Not sure about that one Jack. I think Urban and Harbaugh are there to stay (unless either one starts losing over several years or Harbaugh can't beat Urban). Franklin may consider it tho.

Am I missing any other high profile Big 10 coach?
10-23-2017, 07:51 PM
Jarius

Tennessee has unrealistic expectations, which makes it a worse job than ours if you really look at it. We can pay Dan whatever they offer him and he won't be told to win the conference or get fired in 5 years like he would at Tennessee.
10-23-2017, 07:53 PM
IMissJack

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Not sure about that one Jack. I think Urban and Harbaugh are there to stay (unless either one starts losing over several years or Harbaugh can't beat Urban). Franklin may consider it tho.

Am I missing any other high profile Big 10 coach?

Harbaugh is making BIG money to not beat OSU and MSU...It won't last forever, unless he starts.
10-23-2017, 07:55 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by IMissJack

Harbaugh is making BIG money to not beat OSU and MSU...It won't last forever, unless he starts.

Correct.
10-23-2017, 07:55 PM
Political Hack

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Tennessee has unrealistic expectations, which makes it a worse job than ours if you really look at it. We can pay Dan whatever they offer him and he won't be told to win the conference or get fired in 5 years like he would at Tennessee.

We can outpay UT, let our coach design his practice facility and office, and build a huge ass stadium expansion if he wants one. UT has a pontoon Navy.
10-23-2017, 07:58 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Indndawg

saturdaydownsouth

SDS is rebel trash and needs to be treated like the Clarion Liar gets treated on this board. Don't link their shit don't discuss their crap articles. They have been trolling MSU for years now.
10-23-2017, 08:00 PM
Political Hack

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

SDS is rebel trash and needs to be treated like the Clarion Liar gets treated on this board. Don't link their shit don't discuss their crap articles. They have been trolling MSU for years now.

Bingo.

I've said this a few different ways, but I'm just gonna lay it out here: UT is a shit job. It's NOT better than state. We are lightyears ahead of them with our Ath Dept management, financial management, and program status.
10-23-2017, 08:04 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

Bingo.

I've said this a few different ways, but I'm just gonna lay it out here: UT is a shit job. It's NOT better than state. We are lightyears ahead of them with our Ath Dept management, financial management, and program status.

Amen!!!
10-23-2017, 08:05 PM
Jack Lambert

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Not sure about that one Jack. I think Urban and Harbaugh are there to stay (unless either one starts losing over several years or Harbaugh can't beat Urban). Franklin may consider it tho.

Am I missing any other high profile Big 10 coach?

I don't think Harbaugh or Urban will but you never know about Franklin or PJ Fleck. It's not just Big 10 coaches it could be any p5. I just think LSU would be easy to win the West if Saban wasn't at Bama. That will be a covenant job once Saban leaves Bama. I think A&M is a lot like LSU. Yes they have other in state schools to recruit against but they are in Texas with a lot of talent and they are the only one in the SEC.

Who ever get PJ Fleck will get a good one. I think he would leave Minnesota in a minute for the right SEC school
10-23-2017, 08:08 PM
TUSK

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

We can outpay UT, let our coach design his practice facility and office, and build a huge ass stadium expansion if he wants one. UT has a pontoon Navy.

I think if UT can get one of the coaches they really want, they'll break the bank... I'm guessing minimum $5, prolly the $6 range, and possibly higher...
10-23-2017, 08:10 PM
TUSK

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

I don't think Harbaugh or Mires will but you never know about Franklin or Flack. It's not just Big 10 coaches it could be any p5. I just think LSU would be easy to win the West if Saban wasn't at Bama. That will be a covenant job once Saban leaves Bama. I think A&M is a lot like LSU. Yes they have other in state schools to recruit against but they are in Texas with a lot of talent and they are the only one in the SEC.

I forgot to list Franklin, Jack... Coondogs are eyeballin' him, too...
10-23-2017, 08:13 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

SDS is rebel trash and needs to be treated like the Clarion Liar gets treated on this board. Don't link their shit don't discuss their crap articles. They have been trolling MSU for years now.

Correct.
10-23-2017, 08:14 PM
Cooterpoot

TN will go after Fuentes.
10-23-2017, 08:20 PM
basedog

No way I see Franlkin leaving PSU.

Stoops would be a huge hire!
10-23-2017, 08:24 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

A football head coach in the SEC hasn't been poached from another SEC school since 1999. Stop with the bullshit already. Tired of the insecurities.

I agree.
10-23-2017, 08:40 PM
LC Dawg

If TN is such a great ****ing job how come the last three coaches they were able to attract are Lane Kiffin, Derek Dooley, and Butch Jones?
10-23-2017, 08:47 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by LC Dawg

If TN is such a great ****ing job how come the last three coaches they were able to attract are Lane Kiffin, Derek Dooley, and Butch Jones?

Exactly! They think they are bama but they aint.
10-23-2017, 08:52 PM
Bucky Dog

Since 2009 the records are:

MSU 61-42

UT 53-48

Not including this year and we play in the SEC West. Now you tell me who the better program is now and not in the past or based on fan support and shit. All that doesn’t mean shit in the grand scheme of things because your school and alumni are rich and big!!!
10-23-2017, 08:56 PM
TUSK

Here’s a DYK....

Tennessee’s offense has scored 9 points in their last 14 quarters (3.5 games) of play (3 FGs, 0 TDS)...
10-23-2017, 08:59 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by TUSK

Here’s a DYK....

Tennessee’s offense has scored 9 points in their last 14 quarters (3.5 games) of play (3 FGs, 0 TDS)...

They haven?t scored a td on offense since September 23. That?s brutal
10-23-2017, 09:02 PM
Hasu Dackds

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Exactly! They think they are bama but they aint.

Bama wasn't crap before Saban. Remember that. Exact same situation as Tennessee.

The only difference is the lack of in-state talent in Tennessee. I'm not sure that matters. They and Nebraska are going to be interesting case studies moving forward. If they blow this hire, they might not ever get back.
10-23-2017, 09:04 PM
chainedup_Dawg

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Originally Posted by Bucky Dog

Since 2009 the records are:

MSU 61-42

UT 53-48

Not including this year and we play in the SEC West. Now you tell me who the better program is now and not in the past or based on fan support and shit. All that doesn?t mean shit in the grand scheme of things because your school and alumni are rich and big!!!

Exactly. Consider that the East has sucked ass in that time frame and being in the East is essentially worth 2 more wins per year. Extrapolate that over that time frame and subtract it from TN and they are under .500 as a program the last 8 years
10-23-2017, 09:04 PM
Hasu Dackds

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Originally Posted by Mimi's Babies

There is not much money at TN

You have lost your GD mind
10-23-2017, 09:04 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Hasu Dackds

Bama wasn't crap before Saban. Remember that. Exact same situation as Tennessee.

The only difference is the lack of in-state talent in Tennessee. I'm not sure that matters. They and Nebraska are going to be interesting case studies moving forward. If they blow this hire, they might not ever get back.

Wut? Did you forget ***

"Bama wasn't crap before Saban"?
10-23-2017, 09:08 PM
TUSK

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Originally Posted by Hasu Dackds

You have lost your GD mind

Yeah, the “UT can’t afford, blah, blah, blah” amuses me.

They may suck ass, but it’s still a big time program re: $..
10-23-2017, 09:09 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by Hasu Dackds

Bama wasn't crap before Saban. Remember that. Exact same situation as Tennessee.

The only difference is the lack of in-state talent in Tennessee. I'm not sure that matters. They and Nebraska are going to be interesting case studies moving forward. If they blow this hire, they might not ever get back.

I'm more bullish on Nebraska than UT. Nebraska doesn't have a great natural recruiting footprint, but it's better than UT's. If you look at natural advantages, is out UT behind Florida, Uga, and even slightly behind USCe in the east.
10-23-2017, 09:10 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by TUSK

Yeah, the “UT can’t afford, blah, blah, blah” amuses me.

They may suck ass, but it’s still a big time program re: $..

They got plenty of money but the athletic dept has been poorly managed.
10-23-2017, 09:20 PM
TUSK

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Originally Posted by basedog

Wut? Did you forget ***

"Bama wasn't crap before Saban"?

He meant 00-06. I think.
10-23-2017, 09:22 PM
TUSK

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

They got plenty of money but the athletic dept has been poorly managed.

Management can change almost overnight. The things that UT does have going for it take much, much longer.
10-23-2017, 09:28 PM
TUSK

I’ll add one other tidbit on the Coondogs:

They are an “average” hire away from being a regular ~9-10 win program.
10-23-2017, 09:31 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by TUSK

Management can change almost overnight. The things that UT does have going for it take much, much longer.

It can but they have been really inept for awhile now and haven?t shown an inkling at change. Money doesn?t always fix everything.
10-23-2017, 09:32 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by TUSK

I’ll add one other tidbit on the Coondogs:

They are an “average” hire away from being a regular ~9-10 win program.

Butch was an ?average? hire.
10-23-2017, 09:34 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Hasu Dackds

Bama wasn't crap before Saban. Remember that. Exact same situation as Tennessee.

The only difference is the lack of in-state talent in Tennessee. I'm not sure that matters. They and Nebraska are going to be interesting case studies moving forward. If they blow this hire, they might not ever get back.

They lack instate talent but they still recruit fairly well.

Tennessee’s 5 year recruiting average is 15th and MSU’s is 24th.

They aren’t an elite recruiter anymore.
10-23-2017, 09:37 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by TUSK

I?ll add one other tidbit on the Coondogs:

They are an ?average? hire away from being a regular ~9-10 win program.

Depends on who they draw from the West.

Bama and UGA should be losses for the foreseeable future, and Florida is an average hire from being better due to more local talent resources.

If they draw any SEC West team other than Arkansas or OM over the next 5 years, they really are only a 8-9 win program.
10-23-2017, 09:39 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by TUSK

I’ll add one other tidbit on the Coondogs:

They are an “average” hire away from being a regular ~9-10 win program.

Tusk, average you say want be a 9-10 win program. Where is this "average hire" you speak?

I will say it again, Tn and TSUN have a lot in common, living in the past!
10-23-2017, 09:40 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Butch was an ?average? hire.

At the time, Kiffin was considered a home run hire. He was everything Fat Phil wasn?t - young, hard recruiter, coming off a helluva run at USC, considered an offensive prodigy, and was going to bring his Dad and his super defense with him.

That went well.

And you are right - Butch was supposed to be a home run too. Turns out he could only win with Dooley recruits.

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