Nope not a Reb, just a "will believe it when I see it" kind of guy. No explanation needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by louisvilledawg
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Nope not a Reb, just a "will believe it when I see it" kind of guy. No explanation needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by louisvilledawg
400 scholarships over 50 years (FIFTY!)
50 year probation
20 year bowl ban
Removed from SEC
Forced to become a member of the SWAC
Must hire Croom for at least 10 years
Forfeit all wins in program history
$1B fine
No recruiting visits for 20 years
Lifetime ban for Hugh and Bjork
The Grove has to be burned and bulldozed
Cold chicken fingers outlawed in Oxford
This seems like a good start... (**)
Someone's been reading the matrix.....Quote:
Originally Posted by PMDawg
If it's over 30 and 4 or moreQuote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Muddy empty grove for at LEAST 10 years
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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
LOL You may be correct on your first part, but there will be additional penalties added on. Ole Miss and ULL's NCAA violation history's are not even in the same universe.
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Originally Posted by Ari Gold
I wonder if they can cut and sell the timber, disc the grove up, and plant soybeans to supplement their football program budget during these upcoming drought years? :D
I still like the idea (apologies, can't remember who originally posted it) of giving the OM fanbase a choice: 1.) 40 over 4, 3 year bowl ban, Freeze and Bjork gone; or 2.) NCAA accepts the self-imposed penalties, but the Grove is shut down for five years.
This is the correct answer. However, PMDawg's post is certainly a good start.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
There you go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
What I will say is that the NCAA did not follow their own matrix and that OM's continuation of cheating paid off. The picked up another out of state 5 star LT after being under investigation.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
You are assuming the SWAC would take them.Quote:
Originally Posted by PMDawg
Oh the SWAC would take them. Trust me there are plenty of HBCUs that would get up for a game against the confederate flag toting Rebels who want to see "south rise again". There is a reason why OM has not followed our lead of playing JSU and Alcorn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
That's my point. Expectations need to be tempered a bit. They will get hammered and their program set back 5 years, but the matrix will not be followed verbatim. They aren't getting 80 schollies and a 10 year bowl ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
30 scholarships would not be enough. With USC getting 30 the punishment would not fit the crime. 40-50 scholarships would be justice imo and not one under 40. Once these sort of numbers start coming into play a two year death penalty should at least be discussed by the decision makers.
Mudholing about to commence.
I don't see how OM skirts the LOIC charge. They had/have 3 sports programs charged with infractions + Academic Fraud and this shit spans multiple years, multiple coaches, multiple AD's. Now add in just the stuff under Freeze, and they admittedly owned up to cheating while under investigation and that's solid proof that the Institution Lacked Control of their entire athletic department. Freeze had no system in place to monitor his own staff, active players, or the very recruiting process he put in place. So he gets slapped for FTM.
LOIC on University w/Bjork getting canned
32-36 over 4yr scholly reductions
5 yrs probation
2 yr bowl ban
50% reduction in recruiting contact and visits allowed
Show cause and FTM on Freeze
Show cause on 3-4 other coaches from Nutt's staff and Freeze's staff
Over a dozen "Boosters" disassociated
Relinquish SEC profit sharing revenue for 2 years
Completely re-vamp that clown show of a Compliance Department
I thought Ole Miss would avoid LOIC until I read the second paragraph of their response, where they admitted that the cheating continued during the course of the investigation. When a school admits to that, they are screwed.
I pegged them with LOIC when I saw 3 (THREE) different sports charged, and Academic Fraud. Not one soul was in charge up there, and they had no system in place to monitor their staff while the NCAA was all up in their shit for years on end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolphus Raymond
I definitely could be talked into tempering hammer expectations if... TCUN had not been caught cheating while the investigation was ongoing and if... TCUN had not run rough-shod over keeping everything private (but instead sic'd the hounds on SA 39 & 40, and we all know they did). The ncaa will frown big time on these two caveats and viola' the new matrix is used to scare many a team going forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Keeping in mind the issues with Freeze go back to the Oher issue and the Powe issue (when the Waynesboro testing center was set up by Saunders and Freeze) ...and that the whole college world is watching....I am betting at least 40 scholarships over 4 , three year bowl ban, 5 year probation , 10 year show cause for Freeze, Saunders and Fararr ...5 years show cause for Kiffin and Vaughn... and regardless of what the penalties are ...they won't quit cheating.
Has an AD ever received a show cause? Seems like Bjork has earned one.Quote:
Originally Posted by LockeDawg
I don't quite understand why you are so concerned with other people's expectations. Your concern that message board posters will embarrass you and MSU is a little over the edge. Maybe you should try Buddha instead of Confucius.*** (That's a religious philosophy joke. Don't get your panties too wadded up.)Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
If the matrix isn't going to be followed then the NCAA should not have put it out there. Someone is going to get embarrassed in this situation: OM or the NCAA. OM has pissed in the NCAA's cheerios and is now gaslighting them saying they haven't. Additionally OM has boosters going to newfound lengths to obstruct "justice" which will have ramifications if allowed to work. And you think the NCAA should go light? If I were on the COI I would throw the book at them not because they are OM but because of the threat their actions pose to amateur student athletics.
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50+ scholarships over 5+ years (no more than 10/year)
6 years of probation
3 year bowl ban
show causes for: Derrick Nix (4), Maurice Harris (4), Hugh Freeze (10-12), Bjork (10 years) and Barney Farrar(8) [Other AD positions also get show causes, but I don't care enough to look up who]
Suspensions for: Chris Kiffin(8 games) and Matt Luke (6 games)
Booster clubs disassociated
All games back to 2006 (Powe) forfeited/Vacated
Frozen SEC Revenue
Wrong thread
I like this!Quote:
Originally Posted by SheltonChoked
I think this is closer to true than those thinking 30 schollies. Myself I'm at 45 schollies over 4 years with a 3-year bowl ban and with 5+ years probation.Quote:
Originally Posted by SheltonChoked
Reason, you and me have been calling this all along -- that the NCAA is going to apply the matrix to TCUN and make an example out of them. Everything TCUN has done sans 2016 to obstruct the NCAA's process of justice will do them no favors as they're gonna be hammered into oblivion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
My question to the "30 over 3" crowd is why? Why should the NCAA deviate from their matrix and go light on OM?Quote:
Originally Posted by WSOPdawg
If it is because they are scared to hammer a "big time" D1 football program then there will be lawsuits from smaller schools and Title IX issues because they have hammered and shut down athletic programs for much less. If I were one of those programs or a coach or SA at one of those programs I would be calling a lawyer if OM skates.
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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
You are aware that 30 over 3 would keep them out of a bowl game for the better part of a decade, right? USC got that, and they still haven't recovered. OM ain't USC. It would end them.