NCAA revenue vs expenses

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Originally Posted by fader2103

They must be including booster money and rebel rags tshirts

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Well it puts them over the top. Those are some nice tshirts.

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Originally Posted by HSVDawg

I don't think you get what these "student fees" are. They are a flat fee required to get season tickets that you pay before actually getting tickets. Typically they are something like $150 that you pay as an "activity fee", then you pay for the actual tickets which are only like $50. They are not required unless you want season tickets. And there are only like 7500 student tickets to go around anyways, so it would never be paid by every student.

ETA: Student fees are standard at just about every SEC school except MSU. However, in the attached study, they aren't always classified under "student fees" and are lumped into the "other revenue" column in many cases. Us and maybe Vandy are the only SEC schools where students can get season tickets for less than $100 and have no required fees on top of that. Like I said, it's money we are leaving on the table.

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At many schools, the student activity fee is mandatory for all students, and not dependent on whether the student purchases season tickets or not. These fees often cover a variety of things such as "campus concerts, support of the student union [and/or] recreational center...but often the lion's share of the fee supports sports," as described in this Forbes article. This is very common at schools outside the Power 5 and in DII and DIII as a way to help pay costs not covered by meager ticket sales and media rights revenue.

MSU
Student Fees from 2012-2016 $12,150,000.00
School funds 2012-2016 "ZERO"
Other (recruiting) $16,531,039 (2014 -- $4,915,280.00)

OM
Student Fees from 2012-2016 $10,373,209.00
School funds 2012-2016 $8,058,890.00
Other (recruiting) $19,536,171 (2014 -- $7.299,249.00)

Student Fees are collected from students ENROLLED in college.... So sure the amount of the fees collected will be more because of more enrollment. MSU took ZERO School funds from 2012 to 2016.... In 2016 took ZERO student fees. These numbers lead me to be believe that MSU is a better MANAGER of Donations, ticket sales, etc.....

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Originally Posted by smootness

It's not a business.

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If it's a business then I want the shareholder's (donations) to get a portion of the profits. This is never going to happen, so it is not a business.

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Originally Posted by beretta

I find a few of those schools up there shocking......Kentucky in the teens was a head scratcher...Minnesota at 19? .so yes, basketball can generated some $....also have to remember, who is richer? compare what they take in, versus the expenses.....a lot of them are spending all of it.....

I really miss all the marketing, sales, and creative ideas we got from Byrne and Stricklin.....maybe Cohen is still learning the ropes, but haven't seen anything impressive out of his camp since taking over.....and those god awful bleachers by the M Club i saw just yesterday gave me "come on cohen, you can do better than that"......

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Winning in football and basketball is the best marketing plan you can draw up. 5-7 with blowout losses @ home to Auburn & Arkansas plus the USA debacle to kick off the season did not exactly have everyone reaching for their pocketbook. Basketball has been a disaster for almost a decade. Winning trumps all.

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Originally Posted by Mimi's Babies

I remember when the tickets were $100.00 per year..... for season tickets....

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AND we had trouble filling the stadium!

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

As someone writing the check to cover that student fee - uh, no, I don't think the Student Activity Fees should be increased to give more money to athletics. I think it is a great commitment by the leaders of our university to not have fees like that paying for athletics. Athletics, run correctly, more than pay for themselves.

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You don't have to pay it. That's the point. Only if your kid wants season football tickets would you or he/she have to pay for that. Your choice or your child's choice. But this is the SEC - big boy football - and we are pretty much the only school that doesn't do that and in doing so we have $1-$2 million in untapped revenue. As someone who has already paid 5 years tuition at a school and being asked to fork over $1200 for seats that are equivalent to where students sit for $75 per seat, its a little ridiculous. I'm not asking to pay less, I'm asking for a large group who are getting a hell of a bargain unmatched anywhere else at this level of football to pay a little more. Supply / demand.

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Originally Posted by AusTexDawg

At many schools, the student activity fee is mandatory for all students, and not dependent on whether the student purchases season tickets or not. These fees often cover a variety of things such as "campus concerts, support of the student union [and/or] recreational center...but often the lion's share of the fee supports sports," as described in this Forbes article. This is very common at schools outside the Power 5 and in DII and DIII as a way to help pay costs not covered by meager ticket sales and media rights revenue.

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That's cool. That's not what I'm proposing though. I'm talking about either increasing price of student tickets for football or keeping the same price but putting a fee in place in order for students to be eligible for season tickets to all sports.

We currently sell out of student season tickets every year. If we up the price by $150-200 per student, I guarantee you we are still going to sell out of student tickets. And even if we don't, we can lower the allotment and free up additional lower level seats for future full priced season ticket sales.

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Originally Posted by ScreenCaptureThis

"Total Allocated: The sum of student fees, direct and indirect institutional support and state money allocated to the athletics department, minus certain funds the department transferred back to the school. The transfer amount cannot exceed the sum of student fees and direct institutional support that the department receives from the school. (Under NCAA reporting rules, any additional money transferred to the school cannot be considered part of the department?s annual operating revenues or expenses."


The NCAA and others consider student fees, direct and indirect institutional support and state money ?allocated,? or everything not generated by the department?s athletics functions."

What's really interesting is the "other" category in OM expenditures. The "other" expenses doubled between 2012 and 2013. hmmm.... Remind me again, what year did they have their breakthrough recruiting class?


Definition of "other" expenses: "Other: Includes guarantees paid to other schools; school-specific expenses for bowl games, severance payments to past coaches and staff; recruiting; team travel; equipment and uniforms; game day and camp expenses; fundraising and marketing costs; spirit group support; medical expense/insurance; conference dues; the value of university-provided support such as administrative services, facilities and grounds maintenance, security, risk management, utilities, depreciation and debt service that is not charged to the athletics department. For 2016, also includes meals and snacks provided for athletes beyond those provided under regular board plans and during team travel."

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If anyone believes one thing financially or statistically that emerges from that lower intestine they call a university, they deserve the stress that goes with it.

I've heard for years about the bs enrollment numbers, and anything else you can think of, that leads me to believe that OM is the single worst return on investment per dollar since Jeffrey Skillin at Enron was given a show cause by the judicial system.

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Originally Posted by biggun

Winning in football and basketball is the best marketing plan you can draw up. 5-7 with blowout losses @ home to Auburn & Arkansas plus the USA debacle to kick off the season did not exactly have everyone reaching for their pocketbook. Basketball has been a disaster for almost a decade. Winning trumps all.

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The figures in the article were for the 2015-2016 academic year, which Dak's senior season and the year where we were coming off our most successful football season in 20 years. There is no reason anyone should have been "sitting on their pocketbook" during that time. All the stuff you mentioned about 5-7 and a loss to USA won't come into play until we start looking at next year's report, if it even comes into play at all.