Lot of them have no other way to get into college and are the first in their family to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
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Lot of them have no other way to get into college and are the first in their family to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
No, you're dead wrong. I've got two kids playing/played D1 ball and they both have no issues with their education, nor the quality of education. One is making a hell of a lot more money than me at 25 years old and the other is almost done in just over 3 years of college. Yes, there's a lot of time spent on athletics, probably close to 40 hours a week. But to say they can't get a good education is bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by DudyDawg
This might be the case for some but I had classes with athletes and they worked hard. Some might take advantage of the system and have tutors do their work for them but that is the students fault. I agree that they should get a stipend which they do now but making them employees would essentially kill college sports except football and basketball. It might not be completely fair to look at it that way but that is accurate. Football and basketball players want to get paid then soccer and wrestling students will lose their sports at the college level which is capitalism at its finest. MSU baseball would also be gone because 90% of the college programs lose money. There would be no one to play so I guess we wouldn't have to worry about losing midweek games.Quote:
Originally Posted by DudyDawg
If the athletes are paid where does it stop? Will the large high schools that have televised games have to pay players?
I know that seems a bit extreme for me to ask, but if the NCAA allows players to be paid the attendance will drop due to rising cost of tickets. Fans will begin looking to get their football fix watching high school ball and may open another box of worms.
What sport did they play?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
That's great for them, but that is more an exception than the norm. Especially in football/basketball.
ETA- not to mention a lot of guys can't pursue the major they want to because classes conflict with their athletic schedules.
Exactly. And it flat out pisses me off to hear folks saying that free tuition, room / board, and full cost of attendance isn't enough. How many people out there carrying 5 or 6 figure student loan debt into their 40's would have killed for an opportunity like that? Thats not even considering the earnings potential associated with a college degree. Only about 5% of student athletes (at most) will ever play professionally at any level, so that goes a long way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
You want money? Get your ass to work instead of going to college to play a sport. Athletes are so damn pampered. I'm sick and tired of hearing about how tough they have it. I can promise you none of these athletes are in want. They have no bills, get top notch medical treatment, amazing food, and a 100,000 worth of college education.
If you're talking about money, they can get student loans like the vast majority of other students in college. If you're talking about grades, if they don't have the grades they shouldn't be there in the first place regardless of sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by DudyDawg
I don't know, there have been quite a few that come out publicly saying they go to bed hungry because they don't have the means to pay for food outside of their meal plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by BayouDawg
My son came up with something on a co-op that made the company a LOT of money. He got his regular small co-op salary (which doesn't add up to what college athletes get) and a nice entry on his resume. We aren't complaining, we are thrilled he got the chance to get the experience for when he enters the job market for real. The complaints about college athlete not being paid are CRAP. It's the way the real world works.
Yea, I call bullshit on that. A lot of guys may not be able to handle the demands of both a tough major and athletics, but they can pursue any major that they want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by DudyDawg
It's not bullshit. It happens. Players can't pursue a major because of time conflicts with class and practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandwolf
If the classes for that major are only offered during practice times, they are excused from practice. Coaches can't make them show up if it threatens their eligibility. Thats why it falls on the coaches to schedule practices around class schedules. Not the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by DudyDawg
It's called "amateur sports" for a reason. They have professional and amateur, this is amateur. If they start paying them, it becomes professional. Unions, salary negotiations, trades, caps, etc. They already have that - it's called the NFL and it sucks. Ratings go down every year. If anything, just get rid of the rules about when you can declare yourself for the NFL. Go straight out of high school if you want. Let the NFL create and manage their own developmental league like the D League. Let players declare and test the waters and return, just like in NCAAB. There are many fixes that do not involve scrapping collegiate amateur athletics and turning them into professional sports by paying them.
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Originally Posted by HSVDawg
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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
ETA - tried to insert a photo of Hugo Chavez
That's complete bs. Anybody with sense knows that's not true. Maybe he spent all his allowance money on dope.Quote:
Originally Posted by DudyDawg
Yeah I'm sure that's more likelyQuote:
Originally Posted by BayouDawg
I'd put money on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DudyDawg
If it happens, its because the student athlete allows it to happen. Its an excuse. You can get any undergraduate degree you want and play sports. I know because my nephew played D1 football (not for MSU, but for a team that beat us this year), and was taking Mechanical Engineering classes all the while. The trick is you work your fall schedule light, and load up on coursework in the Spring and Summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by DudyDawg
I'm sure that's possible for a lot of kids and majors, but it isn't possible for them all. Classes aren't equally offered in spring and fall and the schedules sometimes don't allow a kid to do any major he wants. Also I'm guessing coaches pressure kids out of doing things like that or taking certain majors. In fact I know that happens to some kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bama_Dawg
Regardless, like I said I don't really know where I stand on the issue. I do believe pretty strongly that kids should be allowed to make money off of their own name though. Not necessarily making money by salary or any type of payment from the school, but I don't think they shouldn't be allowed to make a dime off themselves. I just find it ridiculous that the NCAA will market UNC championship apparel seconds after the horn blows with pictures of the kids celebrating, yet those kids can't do the same with their own image.
This was a problem a few years ago but the NCAA did away with the rules regarding meals. They figured out that athletes need a lot more calories than the normal student and now the schools can feed them accordingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by DudyDawg
Does anyone know how much the NCAA actually profits annually? If the NCAA makes no profit and paying players came out of what the NCAA made, how does that affect the quality of the events they put on? Do they continue to reinvest the funds into programs and events?
Plus, we have a Gatorade nutrition lab for our sorts teams now that create custom meal plans for each athlete.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Easy fix. If money is made from your likeness or image a standard percentage is placed into an account that is paid to the student athlete after they graduate or leave the school. Plus you're going to school for free so...a lot better than my $20k in student loans...
This could also backfire on the student athlete. They decide not to use your likeness and then you make it to the NFL and it damages your endorsement level. The more well known you are coming out of college = more endorsement money when you go pro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
I agree about coaches pressuring, but in the end the student athlete has the decision to make. Whether or not he/she accepts the peer pressure is one thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by DudyDawg
On another note, can you please give me an example of a major where classes aren't equally offered? What major(s) are you speaking of? I know when I was in school at MSU, there were certainly some fall only or spring only classes...BUT they were taught in the 2 - 5 week sessions over the summer. In fact, I saved one year of school taking part 1 and part 2 of a class in the summer because otherwise they were only offered in certain semesters. My understanding is this continues today.
Didn't know that, that's a good startQuote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
I had a class a few years ago where they only offered it during one time period in the fall semester and not at another time or semester for whatever reason. I'm sure it depends on the department and major, but it can happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bama_Dawg
It's amazing that the same people who don't want players to make money off their own name and image are also the same posters that get pissed when players leave school early. You say they can leave on this thread but then bash them when they do.
I don't know anyone that has bashed a player for leaving early unless you consider people saying Bear was dumb for leaving early because he didn't get drafted or picked up as a free agent. Most people that I know thought Josh Robinson was smart for leaving early because RBs only have so many carries in their legs and the NFL takes that into consideration. I understand Bear leaving in hopes of bettering his family situation. Another year might have gotten him more prepared to at least make a team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
I have no problem with guys making money off their name but there is a lot of different things that it impacts. It is a very slippery slope that can go from giving the guys some money to go out to eat or the price keeps going up to the point that only football and basketball are male sports at the university level with the amount of women's sports going down to the minimum Title IX compliance.
Thought this was interesting since the NCAA is a nonprofit:
How are NCAA funds distributed?
Ninety-six percent of NCAA expenses benefit student-athletes at member schools through services or direct distributions. The NCAA supports operational expenses and student-athlete travel expenses for 89 national championships in 23 sports. The association also provides catastrophic-injury insurance coverage for all student-athletes and various scholarship, grant and internship programs. The NCAA and member schools together award more than $2.4 billion in athletic scholarships every year to more than 150,000 student-athletes.
The NCAA helps member schools pay for expenses related to the number of scholarships they provide and sports they sponsor. As a school provides more opportunities to student-athletes, it receives larger reimbursements. Every year, the NCAA provides almost $100 million to enhance academic opportunities and help student-athletes who need educational material, clothing and emergency travel expenses.
The NCAA distributes additional funds to Division I schools that are successful in the men’s basketball championship, since those programs effectively make basketball revenue possible. Division I conference grants are provided to help develop athletics administrators and coaches.
Division II and III also have smaller distribution and grant programs currently totaling about $15 million.
That absolutely happens, but those "one time" classes always are offered during core class hours (8 AM - 12 PM). There is absolutely never a time where a class is only offered in one semester in one time slot and that time slot is like 4 PM on MWF. Literally never happens. That type of thing could never affect attendance at practice or workouts, as those take place early in the morning and in the evening.Quote:
Originally Posted by DudyDawg
I just hate the player likeness stuff because I design and sell shirts. I put up some Leo Lewis "Hugh Hate Me" shirts for pre-order on my site and was told that it was player likeness. Bad part is that it didn't have his name, nor could you see his face. Just a player with the number 44 jersey that said Hugh Hate Me where the name was. I missed out on some money because of the possibility of me giving him some of the profits I guess.