Self imposing a second bowl ban?

If TCUSN gets ejected from the conference, then goodbye egg bowl, and good bye having as much fun beating anybody else for the rest of our lives.

Actually Mississippi being on probation would benefit monetarily the SEC members. During the period of probation 100% of Mississippi's share will be withheld, at the end of the probation Mississippi would receive 50% back at the end of their probation. In this circumstance, I don't how this money is distributed. Does the money get distributed by the normal SEC formula, 16 shares, 2 shares to the SEC conference and 1 share to each member. It could be 2 shares to to the SEC and the rest to 13 members since Mississippi would be left out.

Basically it possibly boils down to MSU might be getting some of Mississippi's money.

The jewel of this situation is cash flow damage, Mississippi could lose on average about $40M to their athletic budget for maybe 5 years. Mississippi has a very small athletic budget (like ours compared to other SEC members).
The damage this would create would be far worse than 40 schollies lost over 3 years.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

I wonder if Ole Miss does it and not the NCAA will that keep players from being able to transfer?

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My understanding,
IF a recruit received "GOODS" from the school that player WILL NOT be allowed to transfer.....
IF they have played even one down they cannot transfer and not sit out a year.
If the recruit is "CLEAN", which I doubt there is, then that recruit should be able to transfer.

IF THE RECRUIT LIED TO THE NCAA..... that recruit should NOT play ball anywhere..... (how many recruits falls in this category)

JUST GUESSING/THINKING OUT LOUD:
OM has 90 days to respond to the NCAA NOA.... they may have received it on February 14, 2017..... so from 2/14/2017 we are looking at May 2017, for the OM rebuttal.
Then the NCAA has 60 days after that to rebuttal..... Om and their mess..... (So looks like July/August 2017) before we know anything.....

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Originally Posted by WSOPdawg

Saying this with a sh!t-eating grin on my face: "They going down!!! For a long time!!!"

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Has any heard about the OM basketball may be involved also????

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Originally Posted by Mimi's Babies

My understanding,
IF a recruit received "GOODS" from the school that player WILL NOT be allowed to transfer.....
IF they have played even one down they cannot transfer and not sit out a year.
If the recruit is "CLEAN", which I doubt there is, then that recruit should be able to transfer.

IF THE RECRUIT LIED TO THE NCAA..... that recruit should NOT play ball anywhere..... (how many recruits falls in this category)

JUST GUESSING/THINKING OUT LOUD:
OM has 90 days to respond to the NCAA NOA.... they may have received it on February 14, 2017..... so from 2/14/2017 we are looking at May 2017, for the OM rebuttal.
Then the NCAA has 60 days after that to rebuttal..... Om and their mess..... (So looks like July/August 2017) before we know anything.....

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The video and script was not pulled together over night and may have taken longer than a week to pull it all together once the NOA was received.

I still think TCUN came into possession of the NOA around mid-to-late January, which coincides with all the coaches leaving the program prior to signing day (something that's just not heard of). Seeing as how they have done nothing but lie and lie repeatedly throughout this process, why would one believe they received the NOA on Feb 22? They may have already been on the 90-day clock for a month, in which case I'd look for mid-April (tax day) for their response to the NCAA.

Dont forget that OM is likely to use that 30 day extension to make it 120 days before responding to the COI

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Dont forget that OM is likely to use that 30 day extension to make it 120 days before responding to the COI

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If I was the NCAA, TCUN would not get another minute past 8:00am on day 121 then to "tell their story."

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Originally Posted by WSOPdawg

The video and script was not pulled together over night and may have taken longer than a week to pull it all together once the NOA was received.

I still think TCUN came into possession of the NOA around mid-to-late January, which coincides with all the coaches leaving the program prior to signing day (something that's just not heard of). Seeing as how they have done nothing but lie and lie repeatedly throughout this process, why would one believe they received the NOA on Feb 22? They may have already been on the 90-day clock for a month, in which case I'd look for mid-April (tax day) for their response to the NCAA.

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Your right.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to WSOPdawg again.

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Originally Posted by GTHOM

You can beat Bama early on in the season with 6 turnovers and the fluke play of the season though. Also you can beat them when they have Lane Kiffin calling plays deciding not to run a future Heisman winner while he's averaging 5 ypc.

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THIS^^ and freaking Cooper Bateman starting.

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Originally Posted by Mobile Bay

If TCUSN gets ejected from the conference, then goodbye egg bowl, and good bye having as much fun beating anybody else for the rest of our lives.

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Small price to pay. Ole Miss out of the SEC is in MSU's best interests.

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Originally Posted by WSOPdawg

The video and script was not pulled together over night and may have taken longer than a week to pull it all together once the NOA was received.

I still think TCUN came into possession of the NOA around mid-to-late January, which coincides with all the coaches leaving the program prior to signing day (something that's just not heard of). Seeing as how they have done nothing but lie and lie repeatedly throughout this process, why would one believe they received the NOA on Feb 22? They may have already been on the 90-day clock for a month, in which case I'd look for mid-April (tax day) for their response to the NCAA.

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Did they ever say when they received it? I don't think they did, even a vague date (such as last week, or a couple of weeks ago). If that assumption is true, then you can't really accuse them of lieing about when they received it.

I think we should have "SET THE CLOCK" at the top of the page to start ADDING the hours until OM post the NOA..... haha

OM is in this mess really deep..... ????? How low will they go????

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Dont forget that OM is likely to use that 30 day extension to make it 120 days before responding to the COI

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This is not true. They are ready to tell their side of the story*

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

Did they ever say when they received it? I don't think they did, even a vague date (such as last week, or a couple of weeks ago). If that assumption is true, then you can't really accuse them of lieing about when they received it.

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From the hostage video:

We announce today that the NCAA enforcement staff's investigation of football has now concluded, and that earlier today, our outside legal counsel received the university's Notice of Allegations dealing with the football program. Throughout the more than four-year investigation, the University of Mississippi has been committed to seeking the truth.

They would lie if you asked them what they had for breakfast.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Small price to pay. Ole Miss out of the SEC is in MSU's best interests.

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I agree totally. It would mean better recruiting/players/etc.

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Originally Posted by Mobile Bay

If TCUSN gets ejected from the conference, then goodbye egg bowl, and good bye having as much fun beating anybody else for the rest of our lives.

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You do realize that we play teams outside of our conference right? We played USM a few year back. Some of the teams in the SEC have a non-conference rivalry game: Georgia, Florida, SCar, and U.K. There could still be an Egg Bowl after OM gets ditched.

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

Did they ever say when they received it? I don't think they did, even a vague date (such as last week, or a couple of weeks ago). If that assumption is true, then you can't really accuse them of lieing about when they received it.

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Well lets review the opening of the video from Chancellor Jeff Vittor:

Good afternoon. (a lie because they're about to announce an LOIC charge from the NCAA so how can it be a "good" afternoon?)

I’m Ole Miss Chancellor Jeff Vitter and I’m here with Vice Chancellor for Intercollegiate Athletics Ross Bjork and Head Football Coach Hugh Freeze. We’re here today to update you — the Ole Miss family — about the NCAA case. (truth via vaguely informing the family)

Today, we want to share with you as much information as we possibly can at this point in the process. (a lie because releasing the NOA would be sharing "as much information as possible")

As you will remember, in January of last year the University of Mississippi received a Notice of Allegations involving three sports — women’s basketball, track and field, and football — following an investigation that began in 2012. However, after potential new football allegations surfaced during the NFL Draft last April, the NCAA enforcement staff re- opened the investigation, and in June 2016 the NCAA Committee on Infractions separated the 13 football-related allegations in the original Notice from those related to women’s basketball and track and field. The university’s case involving the latter two programs concluded in October 2016 with the Committee on Infractions’ decision, which was publicly released at that time. (truth)

We announce today that the NCAA enforcement staff’s investigation of football has now concluded, and that earlier today, our outside legal counsel received the university’s Notice of Allegations dealing with the football program. (several lies because (1)haven't we discussed interviews still ongoing hence the investigation, much to the TCUN's chagrin, is still ongoing, and (2) the NOA being received by outside legal counsel today (on February 22, 2017) does not time-stamp the actual receipt of the NOA, much less allow for the production of the video response)

Throughout the more than four-year investigation, the University of Mississippi has been committed to seeking the truth. (omg, this is a make-me-puke lie)

While we vigorously disagree with some key allegations, and while we have had our differences on occasion with the NCAA about how the investigative process, I want to thank everyone involved — here and at the NCAA — for working with us to bring this phase of the process to an end. (lie because you know they have serious contempt for the NCAA)

I’m now going to ask our athletics director Ross Bjork to outline for you the Notice of Allegations as well as some of the next steps in the process. (truth)

- END VITTOR TRANSCRIPT -

So that's 11 statements made by Vittor and I count 6 lies just in the opening stanza of the video. But the key is Vittor announcing that the NOA was received by outside legal counsel on February 22 (the same day as the video response was drafted???).

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Small price to pay. Ole Miss out of the SEC is in MSU's best interests.

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Todd4State again.

This thread is much better than listening to people who say it's better for both programs when both are doing well.

17 the shit birds.

Pay close attention to the wording.

What he said was outside counsel received the video today (feb 22). The NCAA probably didn't send it straight to their outside counsel. The NCAA most likely sent it to Oxford. They then, at some point, sent it to outside counsel (days, weeks, or even a month later). The video could have also been made weeks before Feb 22nd Outside counsel may have had it since late Jan or early Feb and his statement wouldn't have technically been a lie if they sent it the same day as the video was made. Hugh says there were no untruthful statements. Only "mistakes were said."

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You do realize that we play teams outside of our conference right? We played USM a few year back. Some of the teams in the SEC have a non-conference rivalry game: Georgia, Florida, SCar, and U.K. There could still be an Egg Bowl after OM gets ditched.

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You are correct. However in the event that Ole Miss gets kicked out of the SEC I think there will be a lot of hard feelings as there are many that exist right now already. I do think that would cause the Egg Bowl to not be played for awhile. Especially with Ole Miss knowing that we would likely destroy their ass for several years in a row.

I imagine that if Ole Miss left the SEC they would most likely end up in the AAC and basically be in the same situation as USM and who knows what happens to the Egg Bowl then? I think being out of the SEC plus us possibly playing USM would force them back into the rivalry.

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Originally Posted by Boodawg

I agree totally. It would mean better recruiting/players/etc.

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And it wouldn't be just football- being out of the SEC would hurt their baseball and basketball programs as well.

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Originally Posted by Uncivilengineer

Coach beav frezzuz is playing hardball with Ole Miss. He knows all and will talk if they fire him. This is the most logical explation. Occam's Razor.....

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And it wouldn't be just football- being out of the SEC would hurt their baseball and basketball programs as well.

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My question is this-- When the shitbirds get kicked out of the SEC, will LSU become OUR real rival?

If Ole Miss is going to impose a 2nd bowl ban, they'll do it right before kickoff to minimize players transferring. They're essentially trapping their players by messing with these timelines. They know it's coming though, so they can at least control when it's handed down if they do it themselves. Smart move really. Lose way fewer players that way.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

If Ole Miss is going to impose a 2nd bowl ban, they'll do it right before kickoff to minimize players transferring. They're essentially trapping their players by messing with these timelines. They know it's coming though, so they can at least control when it's handed down if they do it themselves. Smart move really. Lose way fewer players that way.

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Yancey even agrees with this

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

I am amazed at the lengths OM is going to in order to hopefully save Freeze. Won't really matter once the show cause comes down but for now it looks like they are willing to take a big dose of medicine in hopes of keeping him. At first I just thought they just wanted grounds to get rid of him to make sure they wouldn't have to pay him anything in a settlement but given all of the allegations the University has already agreed with in even the first NOA it seems they would already have more than enough justification for that. I'm not sure I've ever heard of a school offer up a 2 year bowl ban while still retaining the HC involved.

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I have no idea if Ole Miss is thinking of self imposing anything or not.

However, I have reported from the start that the plan was to save Freeze, mainly by having boosters and others take the fall.

The way things have turned lately, I figured plans would change. Doesn't look like it.

The powers that be there have decided to be willing to kill Ole Miss to save Hugh. Never seen anything like it.

Freeze must really be a messianic type cult leader who has them under his spell

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Originally Posted by Mimi's Babies

I notice on a forum (for that other school) that one of the so called disassociated boosters is still advertising his business on a OM forum page.... Does this not count as not another NOA issue?

Is the list of these boosters public now?:confused:

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No, just can't donate to the school. I've also said all along that being disassociated doesn't mean shit. They still funnel the money to the school through others.

They also wear the "Disassociated Booster" like a badge of honor. Swaggering from one tailgate to another knowing when they leave everybody will whisper he's the guy that got us Player X.

Hell, the people at the tailgates love to have him come by just so they can brag Mr. Bigshot Booster comes by their tailgate.

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No, just can't donate to the school. I've also said all along that being disassociated doesn't mean shit. They still funnel the money to the school through others.

They also wear the "Disassociated Booster" like a badge of honor. Swaggering from one tailgate to another knowing when they leave everybody will whisper he's the guy that got us Player X.

Hell, the people at the tailgates love to have him come by just so they can brag Mr. Bigshot Booster comes by their tailgate.

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I'd like a map of these tailgates when you have a moment.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

If Ole Miss is going to impose a 2nd bowl ban, they'll do it right before kickoff to minimize players transferring. They're essentially trapping their players by messing with these timelines. They know it's coming though, so they can at least control when it's handed down if they do it themselves. Smart move really. Lose way fewer players that way.

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I know they don't give a wet fart about those kids, but if the players realize they got manipulated to keep from being able to transfer, who else thinks they just lay down the entire season with their give a damn busted?

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

If Ole Miss is going to impose a 2nd bowl ban, they'll do it right before kickoff to minimize players transferring. They're essentially trapping their players by messing with these timelines. They know it's coming though, so they can at least control when it's handed down if they do it themselves. Smart move really. Lose way fewer players that way.

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg34

I know they don't give a wet fart about those kids, but if the players realize they got manipulated to keep from being able to transfer, who else thinks they just lay down the entire season with their give a damn busted?

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And that's another reason why they're gonna get hammered -- because they continue to manipulate the lives of these student=athletes and their families. The front page of the NCAA's website contains the following regarding the NCAA's priorities:

FAIRNESS
All college athletes deserve a fair shot. We focus on respect, integrity and responsibility, both on and off the field, so that college sports prepare student-athletes for life.

The TCUN way of doing business runs directly counter to this statement.

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

I have no idea if Ole Miss is thinking of self imposing anything or not.

However, I have reported from the start that the plan was to save Freeze, mainly by having boosters and others take the fall.

The way things have turned lately, I figured plans would change. Doesn't look like it.

The powers that be there have decided to be willing to kill Ole Miss to save Hugh. Never seen anything like it.

Freeze must really be a messianic type cult leader who has them under his spell

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Agreed, but with a nice haircut.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

I'd like a map of these tailgates when you have a moment.

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You can come to mine in Starkville and I'll show you a former disassociated booster a few tents down who loves the notoriety.

Or join the 120 Club and meet a couple more

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Originally Posted by WSOPdawg

The video and script was not pulled together over night and may have taken longer than a week to pull it all together once the NOA was received.

I still think TCUN came into possession of the NOA around mid-to-late January, which coincides with all the coaches leaving the program prior to signing day (something that's just not heard of). Seeing as how they have done nothing but lie and lie repeatedly throughout this process, why would one believe they received the NOA on Feb 22? They may have already been on the 90-day clock for a month, in which case I'd look for mid-April (tax day) for their response to the NCAA.

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This!

OM received the NOA weeks before they produced their video. OleMiss, and more importantly their legal team had to digest the NOA and the repercussions in it's allegations. Then they had to sift out the hot topics of the NOA and script a response that they wanted to go public with. It took a few weeks to get that video to air time and OM did NOT produce that video without their legal team vetting every tiny detail and how it would affect the case on a go forward basis. They have mid to late April to respond JMO.

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This!

OM received the NOA weeks before they produced their video. OleMiss, and more importantly their legal team had to digest the NOA and the repercussions in it's allegations. Then they had to sift out the hot topics of the NOA and script a response that they wanted to go public with. It took a few weeks to get that video to air time and OM did NOT produce that video without their legal team vetting every tiny detail and how it would affect the case on a go forward basis. They have mid to late April to respond JMO.

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You can tell they were very careful in their wording in the video. They left things as vague as they could.

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg34

I know they don't give a wet fart about those kids, but if the players realize they got manipulated to keep from being able to transfer, who else thinks they just lay down the entire season with their give a damn busted?

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If it were me my give a damn would definitely be busted.

Driven by Cannon Motors........ ugh

https://www.facebook.com/OMRebelNation/

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I'd like a map of these tailgates when you have a moment.

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:cool:

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No, just can't donate to the school. I've also said all along that being disassociated doesn't mean shit. They still funnel the money to the school through others.

They also wear the "Disassociated Booster" like a badge of honor. Swaggering from one tailgate to another knowing when they leave everybody will whisper he's the guy that got us Player X.

Hell, the people at the tailgates love to have him come by just so they can brag Mr. Bigshot Booster comes by their tailgate.

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IF the boosters are donating money to the NETWORK..... HOW are they using an OM 501(c)3 (non-profit) as a tax deduction??????/ Maybe the IRS needs to investigate the mess at OM also....

I was also thinking UNM would drop our series if they were booted from the SEC and getting their ass handed to them every year, instead of every other year. They care far too much about their all-time records...especially vs us. Sure, they like to claim they don't care much, but we all know its a lie. I could easily see them preferring to cancel the series so that they don't lose their all-time edge.

Look at how they dropped USM from their schedule after USM beat them 4 out of 5 in the 80's.

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Originally Posted by msbulldog

Actually Mississippi being on probation would benefit monetarily the SEC members. During the period of probation 100% of Mississippi's share will be withheld, at the end of the probation Mississippi would receive 50% back at the end of their probation. In this circumstance, I don't how this money is distributed. Does the money get distributed by the normal SEC formula, 16 shares, 2 shares to the SEC conference and 1 share to each member. It could be 2 shares to to the SEC and the rest to 13 members since Mississippi would be left out.


Basically it possibly boils down to MSU might be getting some of Mississippi's money.

The jewel of this situation is cash flow damage, Mississippi could lose on average about $40M to their athletic budget for maybe 5 years. Mississippi has a very small athletic budget (like ours compared to other SEC members).
The damage this would create would be far worse than 40 schollies lost over 3 years.

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I don't think money's the issue. Dickie's out.