in a bit of a funny twist- LSU is taking him as a Center.
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in a bit of a funny twist- LSU is taking him as a Center.
Being someone who melts often, I consider myself somewhat of an expert in the area. Some of you need to pace your melt or you'll burn out before February.
That's what I've heard he is. Could be why we've slow playedQuote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
because we have an abundance of CentersQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Haha exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
Same thing happened a few years ago to a legacy...son of former MSU DB Stephen Johnson. I know his dad, and he told me his son was locked up, ready to sign with state, even though they are OOS, but we never offered. A birdy told me it was probably because he didn't come to any of our camps. Apparently, our staff does not look kindly on kids who refuse to come to camps.Quote:
Originally Posted by BayouDawg
http://247sports.com/Recruitment/Ste...cruitInterests
Kid's official 40 was a 4.37. His dad told me his son was injured that day, and had ran sub-4.3's before.
Yeah that post of his didn't even deserve to make the list it was so stupid even for the List. And you can't self gloss yourself to make the list..Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Quite possibly. At least averaging 9. You're telling me if we were landing the Jeff Simmons, Leo Lewis, Jamal Peters, etc at the OL position every year we wouldn't be WAY better? We have been winning 7-8 games a year in an offense that is designed to be "run first" without any stud offensive linemen! Imagine what we would have been doing if we had just recruited OL at the rate we recruit every other position except WRQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
DB play hasn't exactly been killing it eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
The thing about the stats is they only tell us what our offense would do with a Hevesy coached o-line and not what they would be with a better coach- but it's pretty reasonable to assume that a better coach would yield even better stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Hevesy does hold us back- and I think part of it is fear (False Evidence Appearing Real) that Dan will leave "like Cutcliffe" if the alumni force Hevesy out. So, a lot of our fans just deal with it. Some are actually I think OK with just beating Ole Miss and going to the Liberty Bowl. I don't really understand that since we have a chance to legitimately be better than that. We're still not a big boy in that regard- if Hevesy was at another SEC school other than Vandy, may Kentucky, or Mizzou the cigar boys would have run his ass out after the 2015 season at the latest. Even I am guilty of trying to "bargain"- that's a stage of grief- where he is the assistant head coach to try to make everyone happy.
There's no reason for him to be our o-line coach at this point. He has repeatedly shown that he is unwilling to work on his recruiting, he plays people out of position, and he has not recruited any player that has been here for 4-5 years and gotten drafted by the NFL at this point over a period of eight seasons. There's especially zero reason for him to be our o-line coach in this day and age of "football analysts" where he can still be on our staff and probably provide the exact same value to Dan as he does now without doing nearly as much damage. Just like we have already done with Sallach- who while he certainly did not hang the moon, at least his position group was never a liability, seemed to be well coached for the most part and he also was a better recruiter than Hevesy. Hell, the tight ends even blocked better than Hevesy's group. That's sad.
I'm hoping that Looney takes over as the o-line coach next year or even better- we move Hevesy off the staff and hire Will Friend or get Steve Addazio if he gets fired next year. I hope the only reason he is still the o-line coach is because of the fact that the "extra" coach won't be added until 2018.
We haven't exactly had the same DB coaches over the past 8-9 years either. And none of them were a liability in recruiting other than Melvin after he got over the hill.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
We've also had a lot more DB's in the NFL too- Banks, Redmond, Calhoun, Whitley, Charles Mitchell, etc.
Exacatly. I don't give a **** where he plays.. Oregon offered because Cristboal knows about him... period ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
Cristobal to Hev is like comparing Bill Belichick to Sly Croom
Can a JR receive a commitable offer?
DB play seemed to really drop after Melvin smith left and we've never really recovered.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
That's a shame. i thought with ole miss being irrelevant we would be able to clean up instate but it looks like we'll just lose the kids to out of state schools now.Quote:
Originally Posted by blacklistedbully
Yes- verbally. But they can't officially get the offer until I think August of their senior year. It's basically word of mouth until then- in other words- "Todd4State I know you are a junior, but we're going to give you an offer in August." is basically how it sort of goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bass Chaser
At least on the o-line. It seems like most of the players in state favor us at the other position groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by BayouDawg
I live in NE MS in a town that is something of a rival to Pontotoc. I had never heard of him till the Daily Journal had a blurb about his offer from Oregon a couple of days ago. It's March, y'all might need to chill out before you all jump off a cliff or something.
Look our ol recruiting has lacked no argument. But then explain why our defense sucked last year and our secondary has sucked for years. If we are soooo elite recruiting at every other position, which is bs, then why do we struggle so bad at other positions besides OL. Hell ol wasn't even close to being our worst unit lay year. Not close. Again, our ol recruiting needs to step. Anything otherwise wouldn't be a prudent statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
In the end though nothing is "commitable" until they send the official papers Right before signing day
Huh? Melvin was a joke the last 3-4 years he was here. Awful. Beyond awful. Sucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by BayouDawg
No offense, but Wake up, man. It's not about the time of year or even if we get the guy or not...it's about an OL coach that is constantly missing out on the top targets on our board, yet STILL gets outworked by out of state schools for a good OL in our back yard. That is a BIG problem, regardless of time of year or where this kid ends up, period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Nobody said we were "elite" anywhere. And I don't know about you, but in my opinion, as soon as we have a new OL coach every year, we can compare OL to the defense. If anything, OL has less of an excuse to suck than even a poorly talented defense, due to continuity with the coach for 8 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
No doubt the defense has sucked at times especially last year. But again the difference is Dan responded by making changes. He hired Todd Grantham to address that and we're all satisfied. That's the issue as much as anything- we have issues on the o-line but what has done about it? Why is it allowed to continue every year? Three years in a row- we lost Lashley from West Point to Alabama, last year Charles from MRA said he committed to LSU because "they showed me more attention", and now this. From a legacy o-lineman who has a Dad that played o-line in the NFL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
If Dan's defense sucked every year but we had Carl Torbush manning it very year for the past 8-9 years and nothing was done it would be just as much an issue and discussed every bit as much as Hevesy.
Don't know how you figure that. His 2010 and 2011 corners were pretty good. 2012 was ok. I thought we should have been better with slay and banks. Townsend was aweful in my opinion. Townsends first year in 2013 was ok and we got worse each year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
If we haven't offered, I don't think he was a top target.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
I have no idea what the deal is with the kid, but perhaps he's a fringe prospect and we wanna be sure before offering. With his dad being an ex-player, we certainly don't wanna end up having to drop smith like gainer. Again though, I have no idea... it very well could be just a completely dumb non-offer by Hev and Mullen
He must have been a three star. We don't take OL prospects rated that highly. We like to develop our linemen thank you very much.
Hev keeps those south al and Troy coaches up at night.Quote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg34
https://media.giphy.com/media/dEdmW17JnZhiU/giphy.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
HahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by BayouDawg
Rep given
Lol... if the kid was a sure fire guy, surely om would've offered after he camped there.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
He's good enough for Oregon and LSU but he's not one of our top targets? Those are two better offers than any that Gainer had. That's not any better of an argument for Dan or Hevesy. And who did we even replace Gainer with? Suggs was committed, Cooper we were just waiting on his grades, and we had Richardson committed. I'm not even really sure if we dropped him or not. And we missed on Hayes in the JUCO ranks so it wasn't to get another JUCO guy in.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
At this point nodody can defend Hev with a straight face. Everybody knows he's dead weight. the people making excuses at this point are just carrying water and pumping sunshine.
You're arguing gainer dropped us? Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
That's just it, he may be a good one and he may not be. I have never heard of him. With where I live I would have thought I would have if he was such a big time national recruit. The tone of the Journal article was a bit "interesting." Y'all need to chill out.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
I'll take Cristobal's opinion of him over Liverpooldawg's. Thanks thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
It's just like when we lost Charles to LSU last year. The Hev apologists said we had others higher on our board. Then when that was revealed to be complete bs it switched to well he has strong Louisiana ties so we never had a chance. The people that make excuses for Hev are nothing more than enablers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Again- who replaced him? His whole reason for de-committing was because he hadn't heard from Hevesy.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
It's better than your argument that we shouldn't pay attention to the o-line with the same coach because our DB's sucked.
Come to think of it- I bet we dropped him trying to go after those o-linemen that ended up going to ****ing South Carolina where Hevesy got out recruited again and couldn't land one of the three guys and then we left empty handed.
Bo Bounds said on his show a couple months ago when Cristobal took the Oregon job that he thought state and OM really dropped the ball by not hiring him to be ol coach. I don't know if we could have realistically hired him away from Bama though:Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Lol... yeah, if not for a few anonymous posters on ED, Mullen would fire Hev and we'd have that certain nattyQuote:
Originally Posted by BayouDawg