Whatever man. Just whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
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Whatever man. Just whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
We've surpassed that now ... down 33 at the moment. Going for new heights.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
What do we do well smoot? I'm not saying fire howland, but this is an awful performance by him this seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by smootness
How anyone can defend this team or howland right now is just beyond me.
33 to 7 Vandy run.
This is exactly why I said we should be cautious about preseason expectations. With this many young, inexperienced players you never have any idea what you're going to get.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
This year isn't a success, obviously. No one is trying to suggest that. But is it a disaster that means Howland has done a terrible job or has lost the team? No. It means we're super young and inexperienced.
Think about freshmen who get playing time on good teams. You know how they do dumb things from time to time that people chalk up as 'freshman mistakes'? Well, that's our whole freaking team. Yes, they do dumb things and make bad mistakes. Because they're all freshmen. Those mistakes aren't mitigated, they're compounded because everybody's making them.
Next year is the year where we have much more of an idea of what we have and should expect. This year was always just going to be a crapshoot and an up-and-down ride.
Agreed. Howland picked the worst time in his career to have his worst coached season. But, this is by far the worst coached team I have seen him lead. Just terrible all the way around. Last year's team played billion times better then this and they had legitimate chemistry issues. They also got better as the season went along. This one has regressed to the point of I don't even want to watch them and can we forfeit the rest of our games this season bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Om wins... 18-11 now. They're the best basketball program in the state by a lightyear.
Having freshmen don't excuse effort but keep defending this team
Yes, I will keep defending the least experienced team in the country. Sue me.Quote:
Originally Posted by civildawg
Biggest blowout of the season sissy pups lose 77-48.
While I agree that we are a young team and are due for freshman brain farts here and there. I can't excuse getting worse every game though. I don't know what the problem is. We had 40 minute long freshman brain fart today. And it STANK!Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
6th loss in a row. Howland has a hell of a lot to answer for going into next season.
Hey we scored 48 and cut it to 29. Quite a show of heart and desire!******
The sec is expected to have 4 teams in the tourney. We have lost 6 straight and since our 3-1 start, we're 2-10 in conference. Again, the sec is a 4 team conference... we are God awful at basketball.
I almost welcome some guys to leave after the season. I'd have no problem going after a couple graduate transfers -- one in back court and one in front court.
Me too. Any of these attitude asshats want to leave. Go for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
They are much closer to being Sophomores and a Junior (Q), at this stage of the season. Maybe they are "sandbagging" to win the SEC tourney and get the automatic NCAA bid. Not!!***** This "team" is much worse after nearly a year of experience.
I don't know what it is but this always happens when you allow a coach to build with no consequence and allow them "throw away" years. I hope Howland's gambles pay off. We are 50/50 when it comes to this. We struck out with Rick Ray and his building with no consequence. We hit a homerun when Cohen did it. So now we are here. At least he has done it before. That is the only reason that gives me hope he gets it turned around here.
I've defended Howland all year due to youth....but damn. This ain't ALL a youth problem. Youth gets better as the year goes on. Youth shows growth from game to game. We are too talented to be getting worse. I had low expectations but I'm still disappointed in the way this season is going. I was fine with this record when we were competing against UK and others and coming up short. But now, it looks like we've quit. Disappointing
What most leave out in the howland has won conference in year 3 is at Pitt and ucla, he made the postseason in year 2. He was 19-14 and lost to us in NIT in 2000-1 at Pitt. He was 18-11 and lost in first round of NCAA at ucla in 2004-5. I'm not saying we won't make a huge jump next season, but we aren't in any way following howland's path at his last 2 stopsQuote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
Freshmen usually hit walls. Problem is we have an entire team of them. We are also unbalanced position wise. Q has to work extremely hard with our personnel to get a look. Our offense has no end point or goal.
I think we will get better after an offseason that will return pretty much our entire team. Plus the addition of 2 or maybe 3 guys that can play in the paint.
Yea it's ugly right now but Rick Ray didn't lose his entire roster of seniors after his first year. Also Ray was bringing in some of the worst power 5 prospects I have ever seen, his JUCO patchwork was atrocious. At least howland is bringing in quality players and not showing to have any recruiting years where he doesn't bring in anyone of note.
What concerns me is that we look like we have no idea what want to do on the offensive end. Floor spacing is bad, ball movement is bad, nobody moves without the ball. And we take so long to get into our sets. We waste 8-12 seconds every possession just carelessly dribbling around the peremeter.
Well, we will have a much better front court next year. Having to depend on Holman/Herard this year has been a nightmare.
This shit is shit.
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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Not sure how talented we really are. Down low, we stink. Period.
Herard is a project who is awful on the defensive end.
Holman thinks he is a guard and his attitude and consistency need significant improvement
Datcher - not sure why we signed him. Could see him exiting after the season
Our Guards/Wings all have some positives but they all also have some glaring weaknesses with the most obvious one they all share is on the defensive end. How many times did Tyree for Ole Miss blow right by Peters in the 2nd half and OT??? It was embarrassing. Q has had his fair share of struggles in man to man. Stapleton's lateral quickness has been hurt by multiple knee surgeries. I could go on and on
We need more talent. Period. We need major help down low. Period. Can Ado wipe away all of our issues in the paint???
Let's hope so. And being a good defender starts with desire and effort. Howland has to find a way to light a fire under this team or we are in trouble.
Howland doesn't give a 17. Just wanted some money for his grandkids. 17 this shit. Tired.
And at Northern Arizona, which most closely matches this situation with a near total turnover of the roster after year 1, they were worse in year 2, then still made the same huge jump in year 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Plenty of our fans said this year doesn't really matter, that year 3 is the test...yet here we sit, trying to make judgements and overreacting in year 2. I get it, because we're fans, but the fact remains - this whole team will make a big jump next year. Just be patient.
Look who you're quoting... I'm never patient hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by smootness
I can handle losing bc I didn't expect to be a postseason team this year, but we don't seem to be improving at all and that's the concerning part to me. I'm just really disappointed in how we're limping down the stretch when I thought we would be hitting our stride. I wasn't the only one either... until recently the announcers were saying we'd be a team no one wanted to face in the sec tourney. HA! We're exactly who I'd want to play if I were an opposing team