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At this point, the Cowboys are more likely to trade Dez, Whitten, Zeke, and Stephen Jones before they trade Dak. Right now Dak is probably a top 5 player in popularity. He is becoming the face of the NFL and Jerry isn't dumb enough to trade that. If anything, Jerry knows promotion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steakonastick
Of course not. But in terms of value, that's what it would be. Not Romo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
If they can cut Romo, would they not be able to cut whoever they traded for? I know the specific contract matters but I would think Romo would have as much guaranteed as anybody they would trade for, so if they're willing to cut Romo surely they can cut whoever teh acquire if they need to.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Mario Williams will more than likely be cut by Miami this offseason. He fits the old, past his prime, and cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
The Cowboys are going to eat the exact same amount of money toward the cap whether they trade or cut Romo, so at least they get something in return for trading him.
Problem is, other teams know they're going to have to cut him anyway, so why offer anything in a trade when you know he's going to hit the open market soon. Also by trading for him you then inherit his 14m base salary for 17', 19M for 18', and 20M for 19' (although they could release him or renegotiate his contract).
Only reason you would trade to get him is so you don't have to compete with other teams on the open market. Seems to me if he hits the open market he'll get to choose the best spot/team like Peyton did with the Broncos a few years back.
From the Cowboys perspective, I trade him to a bad team that offers the best return.
Yes, you're right. But what's the point of that? The argument was that they could get a similarly overpaid player and then play them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
You are right that he was very good in 2014. But that was 3 years and two major injuries ago. Expecting him to perform even close to that level at 38 years old and also remain healthy is fool hardy.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
But they will have a lot more options and a lot more bargaining power in free agency. If they trade him, they are limited to just a few teams to negotiate with that could use a high risk aging QB for a playoff / SB run (maybe 4-5 teams at most), and only the players or picks those teams are willing to give up. With free agency they have their pick of the litter and don't have to go through somebody else's front office. Make no mistake, they will definitely shop him on the trade block first before they do anything because you don't know what you can get until you ask (and because draft picks aren't available through free agency). But there is a very high likelihood that what teams are willing to give up won't jive with what the Cowboys want, so I think them just releasing him is more likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by whatever
Which is why JJ watt talk and such is foolish; but if I can get romo for a 3-5th round pick, I'm all over it if I'm the Vikings, cardinals, Texans, or broncos.Quote:
Originally Posted by HSVDawg
ETA... in extremely (extremely!!!) limited action this year, romo showed good arm strength and accuracy. None of the 4 teams I listed can win a super Bowl as is, but romo could possibly do it... therefore he's worth a mid round pick imo
Of course, but Dallas probably wouldn't go for anything below 3rd round (I wouldn't think) unless it was a team that was still a few years away from making a run. They'd be better off putting him on the market and letting non contender teams like the Bears, 49ers, Jets, etc drive up the price and probably get him. If they traded him to a Minnesota or a Denver and somehow Dallas faced off with them in the SB and they only gave up a 5th rounder, that would be a terrible trade for Dallas.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If Dallas is facing Minnesota in the NFCCG or Denver in the SB even with Romo as their QB, I think the Cowboys would feel pretty confident about their chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by HSVDawg
But you bring up a good point. They may think twice about letting Houston have him for this reason. Honestly, they could just keep him around for another year. It would only be an extra $5 million toward this year's cap to do that, and it would be a far lesser hit next year. But paying that much for a backup QB is still dumb, so if I were them, I'd look to deal him to anybody lower than Houston for pretty much anything I could get.
I agree. I just think they'd need to be more careful with teams like Minnesota and Denver (even though as long as Dak is healthy I'd like their chances in those games too). I'd avoid Houston like the plague unless they were actually dumb enough to deal a stud defensive player, ask for minimum 3rd rounder or potential Pro Bowl defender from Minnesota or Denver, and take what I could get from pretty much anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
The one thing that is for sure is that currently Dallas holds all the cards, and the only way they can screw it up is by trading him to a potential contender without getting hardly anything in return. Every other option is very advantageous to them in at least some way.
bradford did have a great year. However he is Romo jr who has a shoulder made of jello and is very injury prone. No one is going to take Romo with that contract. Jerry can afford to keep Romo , since he is getting away with paying Dak crap, as backup letting him retire as a cowboy.Quote:
Originally Posted by louisvilledawg
Someone will definitely take a shot on romo. There's a reason the Blaine gabberts of the world in the top 10... QBs are almost a necessity to winQuote:
Originally Posted by parabrave
Only thing is Romo is not going to agree to just be the backup. He handled it extremely well during the season but he only has a couple of years left and he isn't going to spend them as a backup.Quote:
Originally Posted by parabrave
There might be conditional picks involved. Like Dallas getting a 4th round pick, plus a 2nd round pick if Romo plays in 12+ games.
Trade him (Romo) for BMac
Someone else made the comment that the Cowboys were considering just cutting him. That was my point about trying to trade for another highly paid player that needs to be cut plus trading some draft picks. The cowboys get an improved draft position (or maybe just flat out more draft picks) and the other team gets Romo through trade rather than having to hope he signs with them after being cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
And Dallas would be receptive to that so long as the teams they would be receiving picks from weren't likely future opponents in a high stakes postseason game. The question is do any non-contenders who need help at QB and also a bunch of other areas want to give away future building blocks for a guy that has maybe 1-2 years left so they could win a couple more games per year but still not make the playoffs? Its not likely. Even late round picks are valuable for teams that have multiple holes. The rub is that Dallas isn't going to trade him to a contender for late round picks and teams that aren't contenders probably won't want to trade late round picks with Dallas for an aging Romo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
Dallas could trade Romo and their next 2 first & 2nd rounders to the Browns for the #1 overall pick this year, and get Myles Garrett. Then the Browns get picks AND a QB. Lol
Yeah, the browns would be a playoff team 3 years from now if Dallas did that.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Might as well trade Dak and Zeke for Cody Kessler and Duke Johnson if they are gonna get that crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Ha, just trying to keep up with the threadQuote:
Originally Posted by HSVDawg
Umm, what? Trading Romo doesn't give them less options or prevent them from doing the same thing they would've done in free agency by cutting him. How would cutting him give them more bargaining power? They'll likely get a mid to lower round pick (3rd-6th), not a player, in a trade and still be able to go get who they want in FA.Quote:
Originally Posted by HSVDawg
Also, your post about keeping him from going to a good team is the opposite of how I look at it. If they cut him, they have zero control over where he signs and he's going to want to go to the team that has the best chance to win like Peyton did. If they trade him, they can assure he doesn't go to a team that poses a threat to beat them by only trading with a Jags/Browns level team.
If you read my entire post you'll see that I agree with most of what you said. The bargaining power I was referring to was for the players they would be picking up with the cap money they unloaded from Romo.Quote:
Originally Posted by whatever
Let's say in a hypothetical scenario (which I don't think is very farfetched), the trade market for Romo isn't so good. Let's say the only teams that want him are Denver and Houston, and neither is willing to give up anything higher than a 4th round pick to get him. Dallas is better off either cutting him and letting the chips fall where they may in free agency, or hanging onto him another year as opposed to just handing him over to one of those teams for basically nothing.
Not sure about the cardinals. Palmer definitely didn't have his best year, but ended up with numbers that are about typical expectations from romo (4200 yes, 26 tds, 14 ints). Age is a wash. Palmer catches most of the blame, but their D was a pretty big let down this year too.Quote:
Originally Posted by missouridawg
Jerry love tony too much to send him to the browns or jags (though jags have a lot of talent, they might be a QB away from being decent). He wouldn't send him to an NFC team that is a QB away from being a contender either. But both Houston and Denver are AFC teams, so that doesn't pose a problem there.Quote:
Originally Posted by whatever
Romo's 17' cap impact to the Cowboys is the same whether they trade or cut him tho, so it doesn't give them any more $ to spend in FA if they cut him (before June 1) as opposed to trading him.Quote:
Originally Posted by HSVDawg
So an extra 4th round pick for him(which is probably close to what they'll get) is better than getting nothing for him by cutting him. It also allows them to control where he goes. The bad teams are now likely to give up more in a trade because they know Romo wont consider them if he has his choice of anywhere in unrestricted FA. He'll also take less in FA to go to let's say the Broncos than he would to a place that isn't set up to win
I understand that. All else being equal, a trade for Romo is obviously better for the Cowboys than just releasing him. Cutting him definitely isn't the best option, but its still better than the worst option (see below)..Quote:
Originally Posted by whatever
That is open to interpretation. Their control on where he goes is limited to the teams that are interested. If I'm the Cowboys, I'd much rather get a 5th or 6th round (or maybe even 7th round pick) from the Bears or the Jets than a 4th round pick from Houston or Denver. Too much risk there for not much reward as 4th round picks can be hit or miss.Quote:
Originally Posted by whatever
Disagree here. I expect the bad teams to be not nearly as interested in a trade for Romo as they would be in picking him up off free agency. That is because draft picks are far more valuable for those teams and it isn't worth giving those up because those teams are too far gone to be winning big in Romo's would-be tenure. But it would be worth those teams picking him up in FA if the price is right. He'd be worth a couple more wins and a lot better ticket sales if nothing else. And who knows, maybe they catch a break here and there and sneak into the playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by whatever
My view of the hierarchy of Dallas's options for Romo (from best to worst) are as follows:
1) Trade him to a bad team for a Pro Bowl defensive player or Top 3 round draft pick (not likely, but Dallas should jump all over it if they get an offer)
2) Trade him to a contender level team in the AFC (Houston or Denver?) for a Pro Bowl defensive player and/or a Top 3 round draft pick.
3) Trade him to a bad team for a late round pick and/or aging veteran defensive player with a little gas left in the tank.
4) Cut him and play the free agent market, hope Romo lands on a bad team.
5) Do nothing; hang onto Romo another year and just eat the money.
6) Trade him to a contender level team for a late round pick. This is really the only option they should not consider.