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Originally Posted by HSVDawg
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Holy shit this is post of the year funny and not just the bolded part, I can't give enough rep for this goldQuote:
Originally Posted by HSVDawg
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to HSVDawg again.
Couple of notes: I believe we will get Carty. I also believe we are his only SEC offer at this point as I think others have backed off.
At this point, Suggs may be the only HS OL we get who had legitimate SEC offers.
It is amazing to me that we can recruit as well as we do at all of the defensive positions with our revolving door coordinators, but can't recruit OLs or WRs where is have stability. It tells me a lot about the coaches effort.
Your turn, DAWG61.
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Originally Posted by HSVDawg
My turn, ok I think Mullen loves turning nobody's into somebodies more than anything else. More than winning. He'd rather go get a 3* with only a UT Chattanooga offer that has the want to to be great and see if he can make him into that than deal with kissing 5* asses all day long. It's worked for him at the QB position but he is having a hard time translating it into the other positions on offense. Defense he stays out of mostly and that's why you see higher rated guys signing with us because the coaches on that side of the ball play the kiss ass recruiting game better than Mullen. Mullen is super happy in life right now because of what is going on with Dak. That is his baby and holy shit his baby has taken over the world in less than a year. Mullen isn't stressed out about signing 4* OL like the rest of y'all. He doesn't give a shit when he wakes up everyday and his boy Dak Prescott is the talk of the football world and he justifies not giving a shit by the fact that he has turned Dak and now Fitz into stars. He lets his success at developing under the radar QBs cloud his judgement with the other positions during recruiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1bigdawg
Dawg61, I agree with everything in your post. It works with QBs because Mullen can identify QB potential as well or better than anyone. It is my belief that it is not working with OL. I know we have some differences there. Now, we did whiff on OL evaluations for a couple of years and seem to have gotten better lately. This could become moot. But why can't Hevesy get along with HS coaches and players. It makes no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
I wish Mullen could see that our D talent can play with the big boys, but our OL holds us back against many teams. I know our D sucked this year, that is why I said our D "talent."
Carty still has other SEC interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1bigdawg
Can't fix something when it doesn't appear to be a problem to you like everyone else is seeing it as a problem. It you look at our offensive stats they do not suggest a problem with the OL. If you look at our defensive stats they do suggest a problem with our defense so Mullen fixed it by hiring Grantham. If we had porous offensive numbers like we did on defense I am pretty sure you'd see Mullen's love for Hevesy end very quickly but that is the problem. We don't have a porous offense so why should he fire his best friend on his coaching staff? Everyone continuously beating on Hevesy is only making Mullen dig in deeper with him. Nobody can justify to Mullen on why he needs a better OL coach when Mullen has set 8 seasons of offensive records at this school in the 8 years he's been here and when his QB he developed is the talk of the NFL football world. You can't reach that guy with logic. He isn't going to listen to you or anybody else his number has been disconnected.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1bigdawg
Great leaders listen to outside feedback.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
So true 61, but the rest of board just goes on like...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
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Look the issues on Oline is that when we offer a guy, it's because we want them. I would agree more with the diamond in the rough stuff if we offered these type guys early. The issue is we don't do well on the guys we target early and constatntly end up offering the guys we clearly also rate lower because we don't offer until two weeks before signing day. Sometimes it works out but lots of times it hasn't. But it does show that we struggle with getting guys that are high on our list at certain positions when we have to compete with others.
Very true but they also know how to tune out the noise and all this Hevesy/OL bitching is just noise to MullenQuote:
Originally Posted by 1bigdawg
Nebraska coach Mike Riley fired a guy who had been with him for 20 years over 2 different teams. It can be done Dan.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...nker/96469346/
Gifs / memes of what I think of when I think of Hev recruiting:
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All of this is true but again the problem is that we are very productive on offense and Nick Fitz just came within a [unt hair of beating the All-Time single season rushing record for an SEC QB. Just barely missed beating Cam Newton's record the year he won the NC. Mullen ain't listening to y'all about problems with his OL when his sophomore QB just did that. Seriously think about that for a second. Nick Fitz, the guy with only a UTC offer, just barely missed the highest rushing total for a QB in the entire SEC's history. That does not suggest a problem with our OL and our OL coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
And this year saw the 2nd highest total of Rushing Yards in the Mullen Era - only missing 2014 by 33 yards. We were 3rd in the SEC in TFL Allowed. And we were 2nd in the SEC in Sacks Allowed with 18 - our lowest total in the Mullen Era. So you are right, while the recruiting side may not be rosey, the performance side looks as good as it has been in Hev era.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
It really does create a crazy scenario.
Why not move Hev to TE, take Sallach and put him in the office, go and hire a OL coach? Of course this based off if we don't get the extra coachQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Great leaders listen to insiders and outsiders and know how to discern what is important to pull them together to solve the heart of the problem and maintain the vision. They then lead the people on that path with the right heart and determination even when the people themselves doubt the plan, dissent or have to be pulled that direction. Just because people who follow the leader dissent with some of the decisions doesn't make either of them wrong. But remember the leader has the opinions from multiple sources inside and out and intimate knowledge of what needs to be done, you just have your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1bigdawg
Very thoughtful and reasonable analysis. It is my thoughtful analysis and opinion, however, that we will never get to Atlanta unless we get a better OL coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Well actually we are overall a productive offense but the problem is when we play teams that have really talented defensive lines. Like Bama every year, LSU most years, or even UNM (in 2014 and 2015). When we get against those type teams we can't run the ball and our QB gets sacked over and over because our OL gets totally exposed. Hev is fine if we are satisfied with being average to good on offense (i.e 6-8 wins per year most years) but that is our ceiling with the current level of OL play we have. And a lot of that is based on how experienced we happen to be. 2014 we had just average talent on the OL but they had all played together for 3-4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
When I read threads like this that mention Bama, I begin to believe that the problem most people have is that we can't beat Bama. Well....almost nobody does. And as far as winning 6-8 games a year, I really don't think that is our ceiling. But....we are not going to beat Bama except once on a great while and also will not beat LSU on a consistent basis. That is what happens when you are in the SEC West. Just count me as one of those that is happy with what Mullen has done and hope he stays around and continues doing it. What he does with assistant coaches is his decision. He is betting his job on how they and a bunch of 18-22 year olds do.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Lsu got us good in sacks, but aTm and bama were 1-2 in sec in sacks and only got 3 combined (all 3 by bama which was one of their lowest totals on the year)Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
If you take the average of lsu, aTm, and bama sacks per game, it comes out to 3.2 per game. Against those 3, we gave up 9 sacks, so 3.0 per game... less than their normal
I have no doubt we were better last year but it's because we had some experience there but we were razor thin. We've been relatively fortunate with injuries but if we had 2 guys go down we'd be in big trouble I fear.
Plus the argument is really his recruiting and can he convince guys to play here.
We just don't win a lot of those and you have multiple reports that he's really bad at recruiting. So thinknif we could get him more talent because overall the coaching itself has been fine.
Don't be another victim of Saban destroying football programs. Nobody can run on Saban. Nobody! He has been top 10 in the nation vs the run every year he has been at Bama and FOUR OF THOSE TIMES he had the #1 rushing defense in the country. Saban is driving everyone in the SEC to destroy their programs and try with someone new because NOBODY can beat him. Florida is on its second coach since Meyer left and they are still not happy at all. Georgia fired Richt and aren't very happy with the new guy. Tennessee is on their 3rd coach since firing Fulmer and are a 6-6 season away from turning on Butch. South Carolina = not happy. Missouri = not happy. Kentucky wasn't happy till the end of this last year. Vanderbilt is the only school in the East currently feeling pretty solid with their coach that won't turn on him very quickly. Auburn = not happy and about to fire Gus this next year probably. Old Misses is a disaster. aTm is not happy and wants to fire their coach. Arkansas is not happy and are 50/50 on firing fat Burt. LSU just fired their coach and will turn on Ogre as soon as he can't beat Bama.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
The reason all these schools are not happy is ultimately because of Saban and Bama. Everyone wants what they got. Everyone wants to be that good. Nobody is that good every year but Saban. Don't let Saban do to us what he has done to every other SEC fanbase except Vanderbilt.
Like I've said, most years our OL is serviceable enough to win 7-8 games if we have a decent defense. This year we didn't have a decent defense so we were down at 5 wins. Now in 2015, running wasn't just a Bama problem, it was the fact we couldn't run on anyone, not even Troy. So that year we just let Dak throw it or scramble out of the pocket 90% of the time. And that worked a lot until Dak almost got killed by the pass rush of the Bama and UNM DLs. This year we improved significantly on that. Hev is a pretty decent OL coach and we do luck up into enough developmental talent that we can usually field a competitive offense overall. SO, if it is going to take having offenses multiple years at the bottom of the NCAA rankings (like we had defensively this year) then you are right, Hev will be here forever, because that is unlikely to happen. But I don't realistically ever see us being a real factor to challenge for the West with the current quality of Hev's unit either except on very rare occasions like 2014 where a bunch of guys have played together a LONG time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
There are 2-3 teams every year that we can't block- it's not just Bama
2014- it was OM, UPig, and Bama
2015/ it was Bama, LSU, and OM until the game was out of reach and we scored on the last 2 drives in the 4th
2016- it was LSU, Auburn, and Bama
Our lack of talent on the OL will always keep us in the 6-8 win range. The SEC is a LOS league.
Never argue with just one person. There is always going to be one or two posters that don't get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
How many SEC programs have averaged 9.5 wins a year for the last 8 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
Isn't that true for every team in the sec save bama?Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
We don't average 9.5 wins per year under MullenQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Under 8 years of Mullen we have:
2 5 win seasons
2 6 win seasons
3 8 win seasons
1 10 win season
50% of Mullen's tenure we have won 6 games or less. And we also play the easiest OOC every season in the SEC. We have rarely played another P5 school outside the SEC in the regular season
And those are the kinds of results you expect with our OL recruiting
Kinda what I thought. So if we get rid of our oline coach that obviously does a decent to good job, will we be guaranteed to recruit olinemen better than aTm, lsu, auburn, etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Yet smart won 8 games this year according to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
Wait a minute, as someone who wants Hev replaced, I can't let you cherry pick like that. That is completely intellectual and statistically dishonest. You can't just be aribitrary like that. You could take any team, even Bama, and make that type of accusation and make it hold up statistically that an OL has trouble with 2-3 teams a year. You have to have a baseline, context, a bigger sample size, similar opponents, and if you are going over multiple years you have to have a specific criteria. You cannot just take 2-3 arbitrary teams each season, with that also not exactly same, that we struggled with and say it's always 2-3 teams without some specific criteria. You can say that about every team in the country, college or pro, and made a weakness sound worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
Conversely, same applies the opposite direction. You can't just cherry pick the best 2-3 games either. The man is an albatross as a recruiter and because of other issues he needs to be replaced. But he can coach football and the OL. Coach57, whom many many on here have respect for, as said it multiply times. That's not the issue. There are not many OL coach who are decent recruiters and I don't care if they are because they need to be a coach first and last. He just can't overcome his negative recruiting at this point (from the outside as well) to make up for it with his coaching.
Apparently Mullen doesn't get it either. If only Mullen were as smart as us on ED...Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Smart was 7-5 in the regular season. That's where you are judgedQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Bama should be champions... they were 12-0 in regular season and Clemson was only 11-1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
Hev is a very good OL coach- I've never said different. But I do say that we simply don't recruit enough talent on the OL to have a serious chance at winning the SECQuote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
You are just being thick headed on purpose right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Bama was judged on their regular season and chosen for the playoffs.
We were judged on our regular season and played a nobody from a shit conference
Apparently neither does lsu, Georgia, Florida, aTm, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
Postseason games count. You telling me our win over Michigan in '10 was less than our win over Alcorn state?Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster