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12-26-2016, 05:24 PM
DudyDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach

Since we are talking about Bama and people who have never been a DC before, did you know that Saban hired a guy who had never been a DC before in 2007? But what does that have to do with anything right?

Saban could hire my mother to be DC, it wouldn't matter. He runs that defense.
12-26-2016, 05:27 PM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by DudyDawg

I agree that losing DBs to injury hurt us- it would any team regardless of scheme. But you're defending sirmon by saying bama is the best defense in the country and runs the same D. It's asinine

No, I'm defending the 3-4.

I'm defending players who are having to switch to a 3-4

If we are not vastly improved next year, then we have something to talk about.
12-26-2016, 05:28 PM
DudyDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach

Bama switched to a 3-4 in 2007. Bama ranked 31st that season.

Sirmon is working with far better talent than Bama had making the switch.

And how close to 31 do we rank?
12-26-2016, 05:31 PM
defiantdog

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Originally Posted by Coach

Since we are talking about Bama and people who have never been a DC before, did you know that Saban hired a guy who had never been a DC before in 2007? But what does that have to do with anything right?

And Saban demoted Steele the next year and actually apologized to the boosters for his poor hire. Your comparing apples to oranges in your argument here.
12-26-2016, 05:34 PM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by DudyDawg

And how close to 31 do we rank?

In some areas very close. In others, not close enough. Not sure what that has to do with what we are talking about. So long as we see huge gains in defense, we will compete. It would only taken a little to have been 10-3 or 11-2 this year. Now we need it for next year.
12-26-2016, 05:36 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach

In some areas very close. In others, not close enough. Not sure what that has to do with what we are talking about. So long as we see huge gains in defense, we will compete. It would only taken a little to have been 10-3 or 11-2 this year. Now we need it for next year.

Stop talking about Bama. They are the exception to everything considering their talent and their coach. He is a 3-4 guru.
12-26-2016, 05:36 PM
DudyDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach

In some areas very close. In others, not close enough. Not sure what that has to do with what we are talking about. So long as we see huge gains in defense, we will compete. It would only taken a little to have been 10-3 or 11-2 this year. Now we need it for next year.

You didn't answer me. Where do we rank overall?
12-26-2016, 05:39 PM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by defiantdog

And Saban demoted Steele the next year and actually apologized to the boosters for his poor hire. Your comparing apples to oranges in your argument here.

OH BS! But let's go with that.

Steele hired, No DC experience.
Smart hired, NO DC EXPERIENCE.
12-26-2016, 05:41 PM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Stop talking about Bama. They are the exception to everything considering their talent and their coach. He is a 3-4 guru.

There we go again with the word TALENT. Again, I showed you their talent at that time.

This defense will be vastly improved next year.
12-26-2016, 05:42 PM
defiantdog

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Originally Posted by DudyDawg

You didn't answer me. Where do we rank overall?

110..... no excuses
12-26-2016, 05:42 PM
DudyDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach

There we go again with the word TALENT. Again, I showed you their talent at that time.

This defense will be vastly improved next year.

And you said we have more TALENT. They ranked 31st. Where do we rank?
12-26-2016, 05:43 PM
DudyDawg

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Originally Posted by defiantdog

110..... no excuses

Ahhhh okay thank you. So, with more talent, we are 80 places below Alabama and Saban when they first switched. Let's keep sirmon, if we improve like bama did we could be in the 70s next season.
12-26-2016, 05:44 PM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by DudyDawg

And you said we have more TALENT. They ranked 31st. Where do we rank?

I stated we will have. And we will be vastly improved.
12-26-2016, 05:48 PM
defiantdog

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Originally Posted by Coach

OH BS! But let's go with that.

Steele hired, No DC experience.
Smart hired, NO DC EXPERIENCE.

Smart had a year under Saban before he was promoted. But Saban runs that defense like Mullen runs our offense. What's BS is your argument. We were ranked 110 this year in total defense. You can't honestly defend that. I think opposing teams averaged 450 yards against us. We were pathetic on defense this year. Do you really think we're going to be that much better next year? Because a few Juco guys?
12-26-2016, 05:48 PM
DudyDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach

Sirmon is working with far better talent than Bama had making the switch.

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Originally Posted by Coach

I stated we will have. And we will be vastly improved.

No, you didn't. Nice try.

And you still haven't told me where we ranked.
12-26-2016, 05:49 PM
Goldendawg

Anyone else in the SEC run the 3 - 4 besides teams loaded with talent on D besides bama and us? We better hope the incoming JUCO talent makes a difference in 2017 because I don't see a shakeup of the D staff coming or even the O staff for that matter. I guess Country Club dues have been prepaid for next year. Just asking.
12-26-2016, 05:49 PM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by DudyDawg

Ahhhh okay thank you. So, with more talent, we are 80 places below Alabama and Saban when they first switched. Let's keep sirmon, if we improve like bama did we could be in the 70s next season.

LMAO! sorry, I just gotta laugh at generalized comments like this.
12-26-2016, 05:50 PM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by DudyDawg

No, you didn't. Nice try.

YEs, in reference to 2017... you know the title of the thread!
12-26-2016, 05:50 PM
redstickdawg

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Originally Posted by Coach

That's players not knowing the system.

Who would you hold responsible for this? Is it the players, the coaches or a West Coast offense ala Croom that takes 5 years to learn. I wonder if part of our lack of aggression was no comfort level with the scheme.
12-26-2016, 05:51 PM
DudyDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach

YEs, in reference to 2017

You said Sirmon IS working with far better talent.
12-26-2016, 05:53 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Coach

Do we at any position? Who does have bama's players all across the board? Are you listening to yourself? So abandon a defense because we don't recruit as well as the top program in the nation.

1- We can stick to a 4-3 and struggle vs the spread or we can switch and better handle it. Therefore handling most teams that we will face.
2- We don't know what Sirmon can do because it's the first year this team has played a 3-4 under Mullen. Sirmon doesn't have a year under him in recruiting players he may need.

Bama switched to a 3-4 in 2007. Bama ranked 31st that season. The next season they jumped 3, then 2, and have pretty much stayed in the top from that point. Their 2007 classhad no 5 stars and only 3 4 stars.

Let's look at leading up to that change.

2004, no 5 stars and only 1 4 star signed(WR)
2005, no 5 stars, 1 4 star signed (SDE)
2006, no 5 stars, 1 4 star signed(RB)

Already told you 2007...

2008 1 5 star on defense..CB 9 4star players signed

So let's talk about those players that Bama gets and we don't? The difference wasn't just in coaching, but it was also the switch. Sirmon is working with far better talent than Bama had making the switch.

Are you listening to yourself? How about making a comparison to a college defense somewhere with comparable talent to ours that is successful running the 3-4. Bama has always had talent, even under Mike Shula and others. Coaching may have been bad but Bama recruits itself.
12-26-2016, 05:54 PM
DudyDawg

Coach, bama (who you originally compared us to) ranked 31 their first year in the 3-4. Where do we rank?
12-26-2016, 05:54 PM
redstickdawg

what are you willing to bet that we will be ranked above 31 in total defense at the end of '17?
12-26-2016, 05:56 PM
GTHOM

We run a NFL style conservative bend but still break 3-4. We are going to be conservative on defense and overall as long as Mullen is here. Its just the way it is. I personally prefer the 3-4 because you can throw more at the offense out of it. We just sit back and wait for the offense to make a mistake. You can run a traditional NFL style 3-4 if you have a bad ass front 3 and your 2 OLBs can rush the passer. We dont have that. You can stunt, slant, twist and bring all kind of fire zone blitzes to make up for it but we dont. It wont change under Mullen you can book it. On the positive we will be better at CB next year due to Dantzler and Morgan Walker
12-26-2016, 05:58 PM
DudyDawg

For the record, I don't really care what we run as far as 3-4, 4-3, 4-2-5, whatever. I'm wholeheartedly against sirmon being employed by Mississippi state university tomorrow though.
12-26-2016, 06:03 PM
Goldendawg

Hey, you better hope Mulllen puts the best DB's on the field next year. Smokey will be a Senior, Jiles a 6th year Senior, and Cleveland a Senior will be back. Heck, JUCO's ( I know 3 are safeties) may not see the field for three years as redshirt Srs, if we go by seniority again.
12-26-2016, 06:08 PM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by defiantdog

Smart had a year under Saban before he was promoted. But Saban runs that defense like Mullen runs our offense. What's BS is your argument. We were ranked 110 this year in total defense. You can't honestly defend that. I think opposing teams averaged 450 yards against us. We were pathetic on defense this year. Do you really think we're going to be that much better next year? Because a few Juco guys?

Had Smart been a DC before, yes or no? Isn't that how we play the this game?

I'm not defending the 110 rank. Show me where I have. Maybe you are reading to much into what I'm saying.

Do I think we are going to be that much better on defense? Yes! Making a generalized statement isn't the best approach to this, but yes. We will be better. No it's not a "few" juco guys. It's not just because of 11 new guys already on campus.
12-26-2016, 06:13 PM
DudyDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach

It would only taken a little to have been 10-3 or 11-2 this year.

Would've taken six inches to have been 5-8
12-26-2016, 06:17 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Are you listening to yourself? How about making a comparison to a college defense somewhere with comparable talent to ours that is successful running the 3-4. Bama has always had talent, even under Mike Shula and others. Coaching may have been bad but Bama recruits itself.

I agree with you about the Bama comparison. But to your question Vandy and Wisconsin both run a 3-4. So their talent would be comparable or even lower than our talent with Vandy.
12-26-2016, 06:22 PM
Goldendawg

I do not buy in at all to the Maroon colored look that we lost three games on the last play in 2016. There were many other plays not made, bad coaching decisions, and other issues in the losses to BYU, USA, and KY that helped us become the the 6 -7 team we barely are for 2016. I'm soon to be 62 years of age, a season ticket holder for 50 plus years and this was not a good team and by far not a good coaching staff, especially on D. JMO. BTW, Nick James got his one and only career sack today according to 24/7.
12-26-2016, 06:41 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Are you listening to yourself? How about making a comparison to a college defense somewhere with comparable talent to ours that is successful running the 3-4. Bama has always had talent, even under Mike Shula and others. Coaching may have been bad but Bama recruits itself.

You just can't argue with stupid.
12-26-2016, 06:50 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I agree with you about the Bama comparison. But to your question Vandy and Wisconsin both run a 3-4. So their talent would be comparable or even lower than our talent with Vandy.

I was trying to remember who I saw running a 3-4 with similar talent to ours and it's Vandy. And they do a pretty damn good job on defense. If we played them we'd be in serious trouble.
12-26-2016, 09:01 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I agree with you about the Bama comparison. But to your question Vandy and Wisconsin both run a 3-4. So their talent would be comparable or even lower than our talent with Vandy.

And that's fine, that's all I'm talking about. If you want to make a point use a reasonable comparison, leave Bama out of it.
12-27-2016, 12:49 AM
Dawgsfanalongtime77

Actually a chip shot missed fg in the opener kept us from 6. However the defense caused major issues all season
12-27-2016, 01:00 AM
RougeDawg

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Better hope the JC players get a real chance to see the field over less talented players rewarded for being in the system ahead of them. I hope we see the best players on the field at all times.

Did you forget these **? We all have a Better chance of hitting the lottery than the most talented players seeing the field no matter age or years in program. This glaring issue has been the most prominent during Dan's tenure.
12-27-2016, 12:35 PM
parabrave

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Originally Posted by Coach

I answered that question above and in another thread. Who has the top defense in the nation right now? Bama. What do they run?

Bama:

Ranked 1 in defense
Ranked 1 in defensive TDs
Ranked 6 in pass defense
Ranked 1st in rush defense
ranked 26th in INT
Ranked 4th in sacks
Ranked 7th in TFL

They are also aggressive as shit, know how to tackle and are held to a higher standard. Do you think Saban would continue to play personnel who can't tackle?

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