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12-21-2016, 10:32 AM
Covercorner2

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Gray won't have the luxury of benefiting from playing with one of the SEC's top WR's next season

Yea, because he will be one of the SEC's top WRs next season.
12-21-2016, 10:32 AM
lamont

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Originally Posted by smootness

I completely disagree. Name 15 better for next year.

There are the obvious ones like Kirk, Ridley, Moore, Stewart, McKenzie, Samuel, Callaway, Mason....then he can fit in somewhere in the middle of the 2nd tier depending on which JR's declare and which highly touted freshmen grow up
12-21-2016, 10:32 AM
BB30

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Vs lsu, fitz overthrew gray twice on certain TDs. Vs bama, gray dropped a huge gain. He still had good games vs both, but could've had huge games. The important thing is he was able to get open vs bama and lsu, so he has enough talent

Beating Bama next year is a pipe dream. We will have a shot against LSU. Gray could have a very solid season if our OL holds up. Our season will be decided on how well our OL plays and if our D can take a step forward or about 20 steps forward. If our OL holds up Gray probably has a very good year. If they don't we will be an average team at best.
12-21-2016, 10:36 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by BB30

Beating Bama next year is a pipe dream. We will have a shot against LSU. Gray could have a very solid season if our OL holds up. Our season will be decided on how well our OL plays and if our D can take a step forward or about 20 steps forward. If our OL holds up Gray probably has a very good year. If they don't we will be an average team at best.

Not sure how you thought I was saying we could beat bama. My point was if Gray can get open vs bama and lsu, he can get open vs anyone.
12-21-2016, 10:36 AM
lamont

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Originally Posted by Covercorner2

Yea, because he will be one of the SEC's top WRs next season.

He was 18th in SEC in receptions- with only 3 Sr's above him. Now a couple of JR's could declare- but Gray won't be a top 10 returning WR in receptions- and there were some really talented Freshmen this past year plus more coming into the league.

Gray is in no way, shape, or form a Top 10 SEC WR
12-21-2016, 10:42 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Gray won't have the luxury of benefiting from playing with one of the SEC's top WR's next season

You said Gray wasn't a top 15 receiver in the SEC. You were wrong. Period. Don't pass go. Wrong. Even with us running the ball more this year he was in top 15. Barring injury he will be next year as well.
12-21-2016, 10:45 AM
BB30

According to the SEC website he was 5th in yard per catch and 8th in TDs. Receptions doesn't equal production IMO. He has a legitimate shot to finish in the top 10 in several categories. Possibly not in receptions but I don't think that is the end all be all stat for receivers. I would rather see yds and TDs over a bunch of catches.
12-21-2016, 10:46 AM
Covercorner2

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

He was 18th in SEC in receptions- with only 3 Sr's above him. Now a couple of JR's could declare- but Gray won't be a top 10 returning WR in receptions- and there were some really talented Freshmen this past year plus more coming into the league.

Gray is in no way, shape, or form a Top 10 SEC WR

So he's not going to get better, have more targets/receptions, etc. as he slides into the feature WR role? Interesting.

Literally every guy in the SEC above him in yards was the #1, feature WR on his team.
12-21-2016, 10:47 AM
lamont

The SEC is going to be loaded at WR and QB next year after a transition year in 2016

Only 7 of the top 27 pass catchers In the SEC were Sr's and plenty of Freshmen played

QB's like Eason, Lock, Allen, Hurts, Bentley, plus Auburn's transfer are going to make the SEC an offensive league next year. Hell, even Kentucky and Vandy return their QB's. 10 of the SEC's top 13 passers return- plus Auburn gets a damn good transfer
12-21-2016, 10:50 AM
dawgday166

I believe he'll be a better than top 10 sec receiver next year. Some of his lack of production is Fitz still growing into his passing role IMO.
12-21-2016, 10:51 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

The SEC is going to be loaded at WR and QB next year after a transition year in 2016

Only 7 of the top 27 pass catchers In the SEC were Sr's and plenty of Freshmen played

QB's like Eason, Lock, Allen, Hurts, Bentley, plus Auburn's transfer are going to make the SEC an offensive league next year. Hell, even Kentucky and Vandy return their QB's. 10 of the SEC's top 13 passers return- plus Auburn gets a damn good transfer

And we return the sec's total yardage leader who will probably do it again with his passing improvement
12-21-2016, 10:54 AM
Covercorner2

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Originally Posted by msstate7

And we return the sec's total yardage leader who will probably do it again with his passing improvement

SEC's total yardage leader at QB, and a top 6 returning WR in yards, yet they will both decrease in production as they gain more experience and a larger role. Makes sense.
12-21-2016, 11:00 AM
lamont

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

You said Gray wasn't a top 15 receiver in the SEC. You were wrong. Period. Don't pass go. Wrong. Even with us running the ball more this year he was in top 15. Barring injury he will be next year as well.

Wrong period??? The guy was 18th in reception and tied for 13th in TD's. He is solid but he is not a top SEC WR
12-21-2016, 11:03 AM
BB30

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Wrong period??? The guy was 18th in reception and tied for 13th in TD's. He is solid but he is not a top SEC WR

Out of curiosity what site are you pulling these numbers from?
12-21-2016, 11:04 AM
chef dixon

Donald Gray isn't dynamic enough at this point to be a top SEC guy. He makes great plays but still hasn't settled into a role with us.
12-21-2016, 11:04 AM
lamont

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Originally Posted by msstate7

And we return the sec's total yardage leader who will probably do it again with his passing improvement

Only 3 SEC teams don't return a starting QB in 2017. Other teams are going to get better passing the ball also. 4 True Freshman QB's started in 2016. Our WR talent level drops in 2017- teams will force us away from Gray to spread the love to Couch and Myles.
12-21-2016, 11:05 AM
lamont

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Originally Posted by BB30

Out of curiosity what site are you pulling these numbers from?

Cfbstats.com
12-21-2016, 11:06 AM
BB30

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Wrong period??? The guy was 18th in reception and tied for 13th in TD's. He is solid but he is not a top SEC WR

And a large part of the lack of receptions if the fact that Fred Ross a legit top 5 receiver and NFL prospect had 68 receptions good for 2nd in the league. Most of the guys you are looking at are already their teams #1 target. Gray was 5th in yds per reception last year which IMO is a more meaningful stat than receptions. He caught 39 balls for 691yds that tells me he is a pretty solid deep threat. And without a doubt one of the top #2 receivers on any team. There is no reason he won't have a legitimate shot to finish in the top ten in several categories.
12-21-2016, 11:09 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by thf24

Are you saying he's hard to see because of his height? It's not like he's barely over 5'. Unless there's a corner out there who's 6'2" and can stick to him like a literal shadow (there's not), a few inches aren't going to make a difference in visibility down the field.

It's harder to get the ball to an outside WR that is smaller. He has a much smaller catch radius and it's more difficult to use his body to shield off defenders.
12-21-2016, 11:10 AM
lamont

Let's also don't forget we have to replace 3 starters on the OL- including our Center
12-21-2016, 11:11 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I believe he'll be a better than top 10 sec receiver next year. Some of his lack of production is Fitz still growing into his passing role IMO.

Fitz's development didn't hurt Ross too much. The bottom line is we better hope that Couch and Todd take big steps next year or we could have some problems.
12-21-2016, 11:12 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Let's also don't forget we have to replace 3 starters on the OL- including our Center

And we're likely going to move at least one of the two most effective linemen to other positions as well because of poor recruiting.
12-21-2016, 11:15 AM
ShotgunDawg

On a scale from 1-10 I think Gray is a 6 on the scale. He's a bit of a tweener IMO
12-21-2016, 11:16 AM
Covercorner2

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Let's also don't forget we have to replace 3 starters on the OL- including our Center

Replaced 2 starters last year- including our LT. Also didn't have an established QB (or RB for that matter).
12-21-2016, 11:18 AM
Covercorner2

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

On a scale from 1-10 I think Gray is a 6 on the scale. He's a bit of a tweener IMO

Gray is a really good player who has had to make a lot of adjustments (going from JUCO to D1, QB controversy and losing Dak, playing second fiddle, etc.). Call me crazy, but I expect him to thrive with some stability and experience.
12-21-2016, 11:18 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Fitz's development didn't hurt Ross too much. The bottom line is we better hope that Couch and Todd take big steps next year or we could have some problems.

It cost him 20 catches and about 200 yards vs. 2015, though he did have more TD.
12-21-2016, 11:19 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

On a scale from 1-10 I think Gray is a 6 on the scale. He's a bit of a tweener IMO

On the college level? I think he's an 8.
12-21-2016, 11:21 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by smootness

It cost him 20 catches and about 200 yards vs. 2015, though he did have more TD.

Compare his receptions to Gray's and I think you will understand my point better.
12-21-2016, 11:21 AM
BB30

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Let's also don't forget we have to replace 3 starters on the OL- including our Center

Completely agree here, if our OL doesn't gel and play well we will have more problems than Gray getting his catches.
12-21-2016, 11:21 AM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And we're likely going to move at least one of the two most effective linemen to other positions as well because of poor recruiting.

You gotta be bored, it's not even spring practice yet, all the players haven't been tested but yet you are so negative when there shouldn't be any negative talk without knowing what is going on and to see who can or can't play.

Come on Todd, start thinking, you have so many opinions that just don't stick any longer, no way you or I or anyone knows what can happen for next year. Why carry on the f***ing agenda?
12-21-2016, 11:22 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by smootness

On the college level? I think he's an 8.

I agree. He has enough speed and quickness to get open. He's strong... go watch him bull himself in the endzone vs Om. His blocking got much better down the stretch
12-21-2016, 11:22 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

He was 18th in SEC in receptions- with only 3 Sr's above him. Now a couple of JR's could declare- but Gray won't be a top 10 returning WR in receptions- and there were some really talented Freshmen this past year plus more coming into the league.

Gray is in no way, shape, or form a Top 10 SEC WR

Why is # of receptions the key defining stat? If given the same number of yards, I'll actually take fewer receptions rather than more.

But he will be the go-to guy next year. If he breaks the top 15 in receptions next year, will you call him a top 15 SEC WR? Let me guess - you'll pull another stat to try to show that he wasn't.
12-21-2016, 11:22 AM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Fitz's development didn't hurt Ross too much. The bottom line is we better hope that Couch and Todd take big steps next year or we could have some problems.

I kinda lean toward Fitz looking for Ross more than Gray too. We'll see but I believe he may can stretch the field better than Ross could. He'll need other WRs though to be something of concerns for opposing Ds otherwise they'll be sure to take Gray away as an option.
12-21-2016, 11:23 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Compare his YPC to Gray's and I think you will understand my point better.

Ross had 5 fewer YPC than Gray. What are you trying to say?
12-21-2016, 11:23 AM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I agree. He has enough speed and quickness to get open. He's strong... go watch him bull himself in the endzone vs Om. His blocking got much better down the stretch

I agree.
12-21-2016, 11:25 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I kinda lean toward Fitz looking for Ross more than Gray too. We'll see but I believe he may can stretch the field better than Ross could. He'll need other WRs though to be something of concerns for opposing Ds otherwise they'll be sure to take Gray away as an option.

Fitz absolutely looked on to Ross too much this season. Fitz needs to really work on progressions this offseason.
12-21-2016, 11:26 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by basedog

You gotta be bored, it's not even spring practice yet, all the players haven't been tested but yet you are so negative when there shouldn't be any negative talk without knowing what is going on and to see who can or can't play.

Come on Todd, start thinking, you have so many opinions that just don't stick any longer, no way you or I or anyone knows what can happen for next year. Why carry on the f***ing agenda?

We are already talking about moving o-linemen around. That is a fact. I don't know what will happen next year but it's a concern at this point. Maybe it will turn out fine but Hevesy has put us in a less than ideal position with his laziness.

If you want sunshine football posts go post on Genespage.
12-21-2016, 11:29 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by smootness

Ross had 5 fewer YPC than Gray. What are you trying to say?

My mistake. I corrected it above. He had almost twice as many receptions as Gray. If Gray's numbers were affected that much by Fitz's development then Ross's would have been a lot closer to Gray assuming that Gray is an elite WR since we all know Ross is an elite receiver.
12-21-2016, 11:30 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

We are already talking about moving o-linemen around. That is a fact. I don't know what will happen next year but it's a concern at this point. Maybe it will turn out fine but Hevesy has put us in a less than ideal position with his laziness.

If you want sunshine football posts go post on Genespage.

Hev had one of the top half olines in the sec this year. When we've been a run heavy offense, our oline has been pretty good. I see us as a run heavy offense next season
12-21-2016, 11:31 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

My mistake. I corrected it above. He had almost twice as many receptions as Gray. If Gray's numbers were affected that much by Fitz's development then Ross's would have been a lot closer to Gray assuming that Gray is an elite WR since we all know Ross is an elite receiver.

Huh? First, who said Gray was elite? You don't have to be elite to be a top 15 SEC WR.

Second, why would you compare Ross to Gray? You said Fitz's development didn't hurt Ross, but it did when you compare Ross to himself. Thus, Gray gaining experience, getting better, taking on the #1 role, and having a better Fitz should probably lead to enough receptions to get him inside the top 15 and likely even the top 10.

No?

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