2 days ago you were singing our coaches praises and know it changes over 1 kid?? Like I said you are overreacting my friend. We are going to be okay with or without Guidry or Martin at WRQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
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2 days ago you were singing our coaches praises and know it changes over 1 kid?? Like I said you are overreacting my friend. We are going to be okay with or without Guidry or Martin at WRQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
It's a bad loss, but we aren't ever going to flip Louisiana kids from LSU if they want them. Just isn't ever going to happen. And regardless of how you view it with him decommitting or whatever, a flip is exactly what this situation would be because LSU wanted him early, got a commitment from him early, and stayed after him even after the decommitment. Not even remotely similar situation to Dak or Key.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
If we want to win recruiting battles with LSU for top tier talent in Louisiana, the only way we can do it is to identify and offer those kids early before they blow up, and stay on them hard when Mama starts calling. And even in those situations, we aren't going to bat 1.000. That same rule applies to every other SEC school not named Alabama as well.
We aren't always coming in 2nd place for needs. We came in second for needs in 1 position group this week out of all of our targets. We had one of the best days in Mullen's tenure Wednesday in recruiting by getting a bunch of needs. We did want Guidry, but the sky isn't falling. We have some people that have just as much potential as he does on the roster.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Just a thought but maybe recruiting isn't for you. I'm not saying this in a joking or laughing manner. Your emotional roller coaster with recruiting is odd & unhealthy. Maybe you need to unplug from recruiting for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Hey Rouge, how is that collection coming for Shotgun? He may need it tonight. Lol
The overall JUCO class is good & filled some needs, but this is huge loss. Sure we may be fine, but we have a much better chance of being fine with Guidry than without.Quote:
Originally Posted by GTHOM
We'll move on, but stop trying to talk yourself into us not needing this kid
We have to be able to run the ball some or we arent beating Bama anyway. LSU and Auburn are beatable for us they were this past year. You arent beating those teams going in saying well shit we cant run it so chunk it up to our fast WR and get our QB killed. Like I said, We will make our money on the ground, if they wanna take that away our WRs and TEs are plenty good enough to make them respect them. Guidry would have been great but it looks like he aint coming. If we can block we will be goodQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Do you make it a habit of providing unsolicited advice to people you don't know or have any idea what their emotional state is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Really odd post & a boarderline personal attack. Be better than this.
But since you asked, I'm good. Just stating why we really needed this guy
Honestly if you thought it was a personal attack I apologize. I meant it with all sincerity. You're right I don't know you at all but your emotional swings on something like recruiting is just odd. Sorry I asked or said anything. Continue with your melt my bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Of course we needed him. We lose out on kids we need every year. But on the spectrum of acceptable vs. unacceptable recruiting losses for our coaching staff, a wide receiver who grew up 20 minutes from Baton Rouge who had an early LSU offer isn't even on the radar of an unacceptable or unsurprising loss. Sometimes, your only hope is that the other school doesn't want him as bad as you do. That was the situation here, but unfortunately LSU did want him too. Can't fault our coaching staff or program for it, and constant bitching and moaning doesn't help in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Hey shotgun... we got Thompson and lsu got Guidry. I think we won a pretty big battle with them even if they did come on strong at the end
That's the thing, I'm not melting at all. Yes I care about our program & wish others cared as much as I. I think we'd be better with a higher care quotient. I'm actually extremely objective when it comes to players, but refuse to accept the status quo of college football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I know your disappointed about this as well, but don't take it out on other people. There are very few things that make me more frustrated than MSU people accepting the status quo & justifying losing. Perhaps that is unhealthy, but I'm ok with that. I want to win
This is absolutely true.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Would take 1 Thompson over 5 Guidrys
I think this is the part you're missing just because everyone doesn't come on a msg board & wallow in the fact we lost a kid that doesn't mean we care any less than you. I can guarantee you don't care more than me. Equally maybe more naw. Most people I've seen aren't justifying or making excuses we're giving facts on the situation. He's a kid who grew up less than an hour from Baton Rouge, was committed to them once before only de-committing because the coach got fired, & they have a reputation for putting WR in the league. Those aren't excuses those are facts of the situation. Doesn't make us care less, or accept mediocrity, or not want to win. This is America where you have the freedom to say what you want but don't assume you care more because you rant more that's just not accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Ifyouonlyknew, you working on getting back in the red haha
It is a big miss. It might even be a huge miss, as it was a position of great need, and we don't know how good Guidry is going to be. We will need Couch to grow his game tremendously in the off season, and hope there's a surprise with somebody else. I don't expect us to find a replacement for Guidry this late. That's what sucks the most.
lol at this thread. I love how far we've come as a program. Sly used to define "explosive" plays as 20+ yards. We had VERY, VERY few during the season. Dan defines them as 12+ yards and we have quite a few per GAME! Heck, Fitz avg 18 ypr in the EB. Dan knows offense. I'm more pumped at all the gets on D vs losing this kid on O. No mistake, would've loved to have him, but our D is where we can't have misses, bc until Sirmon proves otherwise, it's up to the jimmys and the joes, not the x's and o's on D.
I don't think you realize how much we missed De'Runnya Wilson this year. The difference was 2 less wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by TStationDawg
I don't? I realize how much we missed a kicker this year. I realize how much we missed a lock down CB and S depth this year. That's worth MORE than 2 wins. I'm not saying its (Big WR) not important, I'm saying if I were to choose what side the misses come on, I'd choose offense, bc of Dan finding a way to move the ball. Our O didn't suck this year (sans USA). Our D however, was freaking atrocious. You can't honestly say otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
Xanex.
I'll just go ahead & say it Reggie Todd will take over some of this burden being the big deep threat.
Has he put on any weight and gotten stronger?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
It really helps to have big WR that can just up and make plays. Bear really helped us by catching a ton of jump balls. It was a staple of the OM offense against Bama, etc. Throw it up and let them go get it. We didn't have that as much this year and it hurt (as did the blocking on the outside).
We've got 3 of them right now but no idea how good they are. No clue how good guidry would be either and him getting out in May would hurt his ability to impact much next year. But he would have been another body and was faster that Couch.
Now we'll see if we can find another WR somewhere.
I'm surprised Guidry is announcing before Dupre declares
To beat Bama you need the type of receiver(s) being described here. But then against them you need virtually zero weak areas.
Against everyone else ... we're probably ok IF we can block.
To beat Bama you need an exceptional mobile quarterback that can make a whole bunch out of nothing. There aren't many people that have beaten Saban at all at bama, but most that have done it have that characteristic.
True. We have that don't we? It helps if CBs are 30-40 yds down field when things break down too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
It's definitely a loss, and I wanted Guidry, but go look back at the track record of JUCO WRs, especially in year one. It ain't great.
We'll be ok.
It also helps if your defense is not complete garbage and you don't play like a scared 5 year old.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
haha ... yea it do. Here's to hoping all these Jucos make an immediate impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
I agree. Some are having trouble reconciling that a week ago we all but had him and now we don't. It's not that hard of an explanation. It's not like LSU just swooped in out of nowhere. They had a guy transfer and offered his spot to Guidry. Couple that with a solid OC hire and there you go. It sucks but we'll be ok.
We will be fine at WR.
How quickly we forget can't miss targets Jonathan Rump, Corey Smith, the guy a few years ago who went to Florida out of Hinds and the one last year that went to LSU.
News flash, they haven't done crap.
Go get Ralph out of EMCC.
Guidry always had a spot..... he was simply waiting on the new coaching staff. LSU has had something like 5 receivers transfer over the last year. I think Trey Quinn was their biggest departure. But LSU has a slew of Redshirt Freshmen and True Freshmen ready to step up. But Guidry has a real opportunity to start next year for LSU, especially if Dupre declares.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shooter McGavin
YupQuote:
Originally Posted by defiantdog
This just shows you how easy coaching at LSU is. MSU has built a great relationship with Guidry, have the need for him, have a QB that can get him the ball in an offensive scheme that allows for open receivers, & LSU just hires a new OC 2 days ago that Guidry has never met, & boom Guidry is going to LSU.
Easiest job in the world.
I believe Dupre has already declared. I thought I saw Ross Dellenger tweet that the other day.
ETA: I'm wrong he hasn't and has until 1/16 to declare.
What was the deal with this kid out of high school? Did he have grade issues?
Signed with McNeese St out of HS. RS his freshman year then transferred to Hinds where he played this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by BB30
You are conveniently glossing over the fact that the kid grew up 20 minutes from Baton Rouge. He was never not going to LSU as long as they hired a competent OC, which they did. It would be the equivalent to LSU coming into Starkville and signing AJ Brown or Kobe Jones.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Shotgun, sorry but you are just wrong on this kid. He would have never seen the Feild at State and he won't at LSU. I have watched him. He is big and fast but he absolutely cannot get open. He couldn't beat a 5'10 JUCO corner ALL NIGHT. He is not physical at all. He reminded me of a less physical(if that's possible) Joe Morrow.