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11-04-2016, 08:12 PM
IMissJack

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Yep I've been told by a couple of players and recruits that Cannizzaro was the responsible for their recent success. The corn dogs aren't happy. Fwiw

Just means when Menari (sp?) steps down, they will take our baseball coach.
11-04-2016, 08:14 PM
nsvltndog

Hopefully our new AD has good contract negotiation skills and will have a clause in Cannizzaro's contract that prevents him from leaving for a job at LSU or Tulane.
11-04-2016, 08:22 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by IMissJack

Just means when Menari (sp?) steps down, they will take our baseball coach.

And what if it doesn't? We will pay just as much, a brand new park coming, fan support. Sorry I'm just not a defeatist type.
11-04-2016, 09:31 PM
bobcat91

What makes me sick, is the MSU "fans" trashing this guy because he wasn't a head coach. They are the same ones that will not name me a current HC that would take the position. And the HC that would are not nearly as good a hire as this.
11-04-2016, 09:38 PM
RougeDawg

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Originally Posted by Original48

My brother who is a big time LSU guy called me last week and said 'please tell me what I'm hearing is not true...y'all are taking Cannizaro??' It almost sounded like he'd rather we had taken Maneiri.

Yea. The coonasses know we took their golden goose. Cannizzaro is who turned their offense around. He knows the game and mechanics as well as anyone. I'm actually happy because I fully expect him to teach our players the intricacies of the game and make some beneficial adjustments to swings. Something Cohen never did. We will see an improvement in overall offense, the most dramatic being slugging. We will finally start maximizing and utilizing our talent.
11-04-2016, 10:14 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by bobcat91

What makes me sick, is the MSU "fans" trashing this guy because he wasn't a head coach. They are the same ones that will not name me a current HC that would take the position. And the HC that would are not nearly as good a hire as this.

I personally don't know much about Cannizzaro, other than what I've read. My optimism is based on talking to recruits, recruits dads, travel coaches I know well and guys I've played ball with. They have been to Cannizzaro camps, kids and players been recruited by him, they know him and what he teaches. These are people who know the game and who's opinion I respect and they all 100% agree we are getting a home run hire. Could they all be wrong? Sure, but it ain't freaking likely.
11-04-2016, 10:14 PM
bobcat91

He likes the running game as well. I see us being a good hitting team that pressures the opponents
11-04-2016, 10:16 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by bobcat91

He likes the running game as well. I see us being a good hitting team that pressures the opponents

Agree 100% on that. I want to see 9 innings of hell on the bases.
11-04-2016, 10:21 PM
defiantdog

I'm glad that we have a legit hitting coach now
11-04-2016, 10:23 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by IMissJack

Just means when Menari (sp?) steps down, they will take our baseball coach.

That really wouldn't be any different had we hired Manieri to replace McMahon in 2001 and then hired Cohen to replace Manieri whenever LSU got him.

The thing about Cannizaro is he is actual more of a Tulane guy. Bianco is more of a LSU guy than Cannizaro. You just never know what will happen because we can and will pay competitively even with a LSU plus he may just end up loving MSU. Especially if he becomes our Skip Bertman. We may very well lose him to LSU one day but we're going to make it tough on them. And I wouldn't be surprised if we take their pitching coach one day as well. Also- Manieri and Cannizaro sometimes didn't see eye to eye which may not mean anything but if I had to guess I see Manieri recommending O'Connor before Cannizaro in all likelihood.
11-04-2016, 10:33 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

That really wouldn't be any different had we hired Manieri to replace McMahon in 2001 and then hired Cohen to replace Manieri whenever LSU got him.

The thing about Cannizaro is he is actual more of a Tulane guy. Bianco is more of a LSU guy than Cannizaro. You just never know what will happen because we can and will pay competitively even with a LSU plus he may just end up loving MSU. Especially if he becomes our Skip Bertman. We may very well lose him to LSU one day but we're going to make it tough on them. And I wouldn't be surprised if we take their pitching coach one day as well. Also- Manieri and Cannizaro sometimes didn't see eye to eye which may not mean anything but if I had to guess I see Manieri recommending O'Connor before Cannizaro in all likelihood.

Great points, Todd. I think we do get Dunn at some point.
11-04-2016, 10:39 PM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Great points, Todd. I think we do get Dunn at some point.

I spoke with a commitment tonight the new coach called him last night.
11-04-2016, 10:40 PM
Todd4State

Here are some more thoughts about what I perceive to have been our weaknesses at MSU. And no it's not bunting or hitting- heck we lead the SEC in hitting last year.

1. Cohen was so intense at times I think he would sometimes break our team when things weren't going well. He would try so hard to fix things that he would go over the top. See the year we had the beards and the players got Cohen to relax some. I've heard numerous stories about Lane Burroughs having to calm Cohen down or tell him to stop pushing the team so hard because they were miserable. Cannizaro from what I have heard is also intense- but he is also levelheaded. Hopefully that translates into no 24-30 seasons once every five years.

2. The second big issue I see is we have lost too many signees to the draft. In baseball recruiting that's part of the evaluation process. And yes everyone gets bit by the draft from time to time but we've been bit a good bit lately. I think Cannizaro's connections as a scout will help with that because he has first hand experience on how scouts evaluate and think. He also may be able to get better inside information on recruits and their signability from his former colleagues. Better players means you have a better chance at winning the National Championship.

3. This sort of goes with the above but we have had a hard time getting guys like a Kruger to come back for their senior year. Cannizaro was allegedly so well liked he was able to get some of LSU's guys to come back for their senior year. And no, I don't expect to get a Hunter Renfroe or a Dakota Hudson back for their senior year but if we could keep a Jack Kruger and an Austin Sexton it helps immensely. See Kendall Graveman in 2013 or the plethora of seniors that LSU has had over the years.

And I don't know what Cannizaro's weaknesses as a head coach will be but if he can do what Cohen did and change those three things and on top of that improve our baserunning and add more stolen bases to our offense we should improve a good bit.
11-04-2016, 10:46 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Great points, Todd. I think we do get Dunn at some point.

I think Henderson is in a weird spot himself right now too. But he's still a good coach and I think someone will pick him up soon. He was fired for not making a regional. Not losing.

I can't see MSU kicking him to the curb right now. But whenever he does leave I see us maybe getting Dunn at that point. Unless Cannizaro blindsides LSU which would earn him major points from me right off the bat.
11-04-2016, 10:51 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

I spoke with a commitment tonight the new coach called him last night.

I heard the same thing from 3 others last night and couple more today. He's definitely not letting any grass grow under him. I like that.
11-04-2016, 10:56 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I think Henderson is in a weird spot himself right now too. But he's still a good coach and I think someone will pick him up soon. He was fired for not making a regional. Not losing.

I can't see MSU kicking him to the curb right now. But whenever he does leave I see us maybe getting Dunn at that point. Unless Cannizaro blindsides LSU which would earn him major points from me right off the bat.

Agree on Henderson.Dunn has been approached about the job don't know if he's coming or not. Lsu commits dad texted me that if Dunn left his son would be a dawg. We will see how it plays out. I think if that happened Henderson would be re assigned within the baseball program. Interesting and exciting stuff going on.
11-04-2016, 11:02 PM
gravedigger

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Originally Posted by dawgs

Oh that's just bullshit. There's 1 sport we can compete for the best coaches in the country and that is baseball.

TBH I'm surprised Cohen would move to the AD role with us expected to compete in baseball this year. I thought he had way too much competitor in him to leave with another CWS push. And as fans, we are built to win this year, so making a change as this juncture in the offseason and bring in a guy that couldn't land tulane's gig is concerning and we are concerned it's going to **** our season up in a year we expected to compete for a national seed and maybe catch fire at the right time finally. I'll say this, if cannizaro underachieved this year, he could be one and done. With the new stadium and boosters having high expectations, I can't imagine he has a long leash and if he struggles, we might jump at the chance to have a real coaching search at the beginning of the offseason instead of at the end of fall practice. Because baseball is the one sport we could get almost any coach in the country to at least listen to our pitch if it wasn't November that we were forced to make a coaching hire.

No, you are the bullshitter here. We can compete for the best coaches in the country in Basketaball, baseball and football as we have proven in who we've hired and how much we've paid. That statement alone makes you a ****ing moron. That you are surprised that a man like Cohen would want to move to the AD role makes you even more of a ****ing moron. He picked a guy who will be the hottest commodity NEXT year. But not now.

I heard this bullshit when Mullen was hired. OH WE HAVE TO HIRE AN EXPERIENCED COACH for the sec. Yea, That wasn't the recipe to equal an unprecedented ranking. Those who will only hire someone with experience in a position get left in the dust. plain and simple. They are followers that will never lead. At some point you have to have faith that the next Saban, Adolf Rupp, or Skip Bertman is waiting to be hired. If you aren't willing to hire him because of experience, you are a dumbass.

get the hell outta here with that baseball snotty attitude. Do something new or remain with the ashes of the past.
11-04-2016, 11:03 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Agree on Henderson.Dunn has been approached about the job don't know if he's coming or not. Lsu commits dad texted me that if Dunn left his son would be a dawg. We will see how it plays out. I think if that happened Henderson would be re assigned within the baseball program. Interesting and exciting stuff going on.

Gary Henderson-assistant athletic director. The funny thing to me about this is I think Cohen blindsided Manieri.
11-04-2016, 11:11 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Gary Henderson-assistant athletic director. The funny thing to me about this is I think Cohen blindsided Manieri.

And it couldn't happen to a nicer guy could it! I hate that whining manieri. Cannizzaro and Dunn were the reason for his recruiting success, Recruits and parents don't like his arrogant butt,that's another part of the rumblings from tigah land. They know who was doing the heavy lifting. If Dunn leaves too they gonna get the pitchforks and torches after manieri.
11-04-2016, 11:49 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

And it couldn't happen to a nicer guy could it! I hate that whining manieri. Cannizzaro and Dunn were the reason for his recruiting success, Recruits and parents don't like his arrogant butt,that's another part of the rumblings from tigah land. They know who was doing the heavy lifting. If Dunn leaves too they gonna get the pitchforks and torches after manieri.

If Cannozaro announces Dunn is our pitching coach on Monday it's literally going to be Manieri and the Rally Possum coaching LSU. Unless Cannizaro brings the possum along too.

Here's what I'd like to see in the next year or two with our coaching staff in baseball:

Cohen- coach emeritus/Manieri's Daddy

Cannizaro- head coach hitting coach/baserunning coach
Alan Dunn- pitching coach
Will Coggin- hitting coach Mississippi recruiting specialist
Ed Easley- volunteer assistant coach/catching coach/Memphis recruiting specialist

That would be our best staff since Cohen/Butch/Lane/Mingione
11-04-2016, 11:56 PM
Todd4State

And I just realized this- that staff I put out would have a ton of pro and college experience. Coggin would be the only coach without any pro experience and he's a good coach himself.
11-05-2016, 12:06 AM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

If Cannozaro announces Dunn is our pitching coach on Monday it's literally going to be Manieri and the Rally Possum coaching LSU. Unless Cannizaro brings the possum along too.

Here's what I'd like to see in the next year or two with our coaching staff in baseball:

Cohen- coach emeritus/Manieri's Daddy

Cannizaro- head coach hitting coach/baserunning coach
Alan Dunn- pitching coach
Will Coggin- hitting coach Mississippi recruiting specialist
Ed Easley- volunteer assistant coach/catching coach/Memphis recruiting specialist

That would be our best staff since Cohen/Butch/Lane/Mingione

That would be an incredible staff and you may be pretty close there. Cannizzaro, Dunn and coggin are all dynamic recruiters as well. Good lineup there.
11-05-2016, 09:17 AM
gravedigger

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Originally Posted by DogsofAnarchy

What is our new illustrious AD gonna do when Dan either leaves or can't find a job?

Pop a bottle of Dom.
11-05-2016, 09:33 AM
dawgs

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

No, you are the bullshitter here. We can compete for the best coaches in the country in Basketaball, baseball and football as we have proven in who we've hired and how much we've paid. That statement alone makes you a ****ing moron. That you are surprised that a man like Cohen would want to move to the AD role makes you even more of a ****ing moron. He picked a guy who will be the hottest commodity NEXT year. But not now.

I heard this bullshit when Mullen was hired. OH WE HAVE TO HIRE AN EXPERIENCED COACH for the sec. Yea, That wasn't the recipe to equal an unprecedented ranking. Those who will only hire someone with experience in a position get left in the dust. plain and simple. They are followers that will never lead. At some point you have to have faith that the next Saban, Adolf Rupp, or Skip Bertman is waiting to be hired. If you aren't willing to hire him because of experience, you are a dumbass.

get the hell outta here with that baseball snotty attitude. Do something new or remain with the ashes of the past.

Saban was a HC before lsu and bama hired him. We think of ourselves as being closer to lsu and bama in baseball than to Michigan st in the mid-90s when they hired Saban. Urban Meyer was a HC at bowling green and Utah before Florida. Les miles was a HC before lsu.

Fact is, top tier programs shouldn't have to gamble on unproven commodities, they should be able to pull successful HCs from lower tier programs. The timing of this sucked, so pulling a successful HC was pretty much out of the question, but cannizaro will be on a short leash because if we start a coaching search in the summer, we could absolutely pull a guy with proven success.
11-05-2016, 09:39 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by dawgs

Saban was a HC before lsu and bama hired him. We think of ourselves as being closer to lsu and bama in baseball than to Michigan st in the mid-90s when they hired Saban. Urban Meyer was a HC at bowling green and Utah before Florida. Les miles was a HC before lsu.

Fact is, top tier programs shouldn't have to gamble on unproven commodities, they should be able to pull successful HCs from lower tier programs. The timing of this sucked, so pulling a successful HC was pretty much out of the question, but cannizaro will be on a short leash because if we start a coaching search in the summer, we could absolutely pull a guy with proven success.

Fsu is a top program and hired jimbo. Your ducks hired chip Kelly
11-05-2016, 10:07 AM
sandjunky

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

If Cannozaro announces Dunn is our pitching coach on Monday it's literally going to be Manieri and the Rally Possum coaching LSU. Unless Cannizaro brings the possum along too.

Here's what I'd like to see in the next year or two with our coaching staff in baseball:

Cohen- coach emeritus/Manieri's Daddy

Cannizaro- head coach hitting coach/baserunning coach
Alan Dunn- pitching coach
Will Coggin- hitting coach Mississippi recruiting specialist
Ed Easley- volunteer assistant coach/catching coach/Memphis recruiting specialist

That would be our best staff since Cohen/Butch/Lane/Mingione

While Ed is one of us, I like coach brown in the VA job right now
11-05-2016, 10:21 AM
JohnnyQuid

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

I heard the same thing from 3 others last night and couple more today. He's definitely not letting any grass grow under him. I like that.

he's not and that is an aspect I like of hiring a young motivated guy who will bust his ass not just recruiting but all things.

he's unproven yes but he has some pedigree and i think the juice is worth the squeeze. I'm fine with this hire over a guy 50+ that's proven but might only coach another 5 years

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