You've had season tickets for 16 years and the previous 2 seasons have turned you off? WeirdQuote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
You've had season tickets for 16 years and the previous 2 seasons have turned you off? WeirdQuote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
HahaQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Thought the same thing. Oh, well.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Not me. I think common sense is needed. I wasn't expecting us to be this bad, but knew it would not be great.
He gets a year IMO. But he has to show major improvement next year!
Yes because this stuff we do is not football. When he was finally forced to use Josh Robinson because Perkins was gone we finally picked up. But that was dictated by Perkins being gone. Mullen's flaws are incredibly obvious. I have enjoyed the results but our football was bad last year and this year. I think croom was so bad that anything was better but Mullen has major issues with calling a game.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If the epic eggbowl beat down that I think is going to happen happens then it may be a moot point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach
This. We were rated last in SEC W for a reason starting with Dak gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
My thoughts as well (minus the break up sex part).Quote:
Originally Posted by defiantdog
Not really. We have come to expect more. I can't speak for timber but I suffered through the good and bad because I was younger. Same with Croom. I was in school at the time so I was super dedicated. Mullen came in and lifted our expectations to the level some of us always thought we should be at (bowling every year and win the egg) Now we have a coach who is only here because of a paycheck.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Like I said. I will record the games. I will watch them. I will participate in the board and stay passionate about MSU. but I'm not going to let it control my world. Mullen doesn't care and the results on the field show. So I'm changing my level of how much I will let MSU football rule my world.
And that sure doesn't make me a bandwagon fan either.
The last 2 seasons we were 10-3 and 9-4. Not really sure why that would be the straw that broke the camel's back after suffering thru some absolute train wrecks the previous 14 seasons. Now this year would certainly turn someone off, but you'd be hard pressed to find many better 2 year periods in our history than the previous 2Quote:
Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg
"casual fan" and "MSU fan" does not compute....Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRef
it's binary, no?
Have you actually watched us play football the last few years? Not stats, eyes on the game? Mullen could actually be one of the best coaches in the country if he could get out of his own way. The difference in me and you is that you think he can and I know he can't. I don't know what you are seeing but this stuff is over, he is too stubborn to be a head coach long term. Something is wrong with the man.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
The last two years magnified the problems. The records were awesome. The rise to #1..awesome. The lack of imaginative game plan against Alabama and TSUN and then the offseason trying to find any other job just ruined it for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Mullen promised to elevate the program. He did. He is no longer meeting that standard and is going down in a blaze of horror.
This is truth... to be a MSU fan is not casual. No matter what it is hard even in the good because we can't reach the top it seems. Tusk would know about casual fansQuote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
No. Stans had not done anything that hadn't been done here by his immediate predecessor. Dan has FAR exceeded what his had done. Both have/had done a lot better than the average for their particular program though. No matte what/who the program, when you do that the odds aren't in your favor for bettering that average with the next hire. We have probably beaten those odds more than most, but only because our average historically has absolutely sucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRef
You must spread some reputation around yada yada yadaQuote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
YeP, firing the coach and starting over at the same time they are is absolutely THE way to take advantage of their troubles. Why in the heck do you think that all but ONE of the Mullen to wherever rumors started with UM owned or controlled sources last year? They freaking own us when it comes to this crap. We fall for it every freaking time. We are dumb as posts. Notice I said "we" in all of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
You mean the best two back to back years in school history?Quote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
Yes, those two which lead us to today in year 8.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Ain't it though? The best two back to back seasons in school history and the ONLY one where we were ever ranked #1 in the country turned him off. That's mighty interesting, or actually revealing.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I keep seeing "we were #1" and then "look how far we've fallen"....
neither streams of thought are accurate...
So being number one for this first time ever is a negative for you then? I know folks like that. A bunch of them for a matter of fact. Most if not all of them loved what they saw today.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
I think Mullen sticking with fitz is very telling on how much job security Mullen feels he has. If Mullen's seat was really warm, I think we'd see Williams more. I really don't think there's a question that Williams is better right now, but Mullen is playing long game with fitz
Did you watch the "believe" bama game after that? That number one stuff was great, but it was a fluke which was quickly proved after that. I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine. But if you watched today and other games this season I really don't know what else to try to explain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
The "believe" game was '12. In '14, we lost 25-20 to bamaQuote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
Deflect by putting the blame on fitz, since the USA game. We have no running game because Mullen won't play Aries and even Lee. That's the problem with our passing game.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yeah, like I said, I've lost interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I'm not deflecting anything. I haven't blamed anything on fitzQuote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
We were undefeated and #1 headed into Tuscaloosa... yeah, hard to maintain interestQuote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
And what happened?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yeah you did, go back and read your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
your point wasn't lost.... it was the same game, redux...Quote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
Fluke or not how many times has it happened to us? I enjoyed the heck out of it. My god I was leaving the stadium 30 minutes after it was over and our students, OUR STUDENTS (my son among them) were chanting we're number one, and for that day they were correct. It seems to have become a fasionable negative for "our" fans now. You people need to get a grip on reality, and an even tighter one in history.!Quote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
Given what you are posting......good.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
Dan is doing this to himself. Not Ole Miss. Keeping a coach that does not appear to want to be here and has shown ZERO improvement in recruiting and appears to be unwilling to change and is possibly getting even lazier in recruiting is NOT coming from Ole Miss. Like I said in December- that attitude leads to decline. Look at where we are now. Keeping him around does nothing but keep things the same other than maybe lowering his buyout clause- which won't be worth it in the long run by keeping Dan around because we will lose WAY more than 10 million if we bring him back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
What we desperately need right now is someone with some fire to take charge of the football team and bust our guys in the chops and actually develop some leaders. And we need someone that is a good recruiter because based on eight years and counting of evidence no way in hell does Dan take advantage of Ole Miss's situation. We do that, we turn the program around probably pretty quickly. We give Dan another year next year will be more of the same probably followed by a year or two of rebuilding and a new coach anyway. At this point the risk of making a bad hire is starting to lessen by the week because I'm becoming more and more confident that Dan won't be able to do it anyway so making a "bad hire" is becoming negligible because the results will be the same regardless.
I think we can turn it around pretty quickly because we do have some talent. It's just that they need direction or in some cases they just need to be put on the field and given the chance to show what they can do. The biggest issue is going to be fixing the offensive line.
But you are WAY off if you think that somehow Ole Miss is orchestrating all of this.
BINGO BINGO The winner has been found Great Post Spot on!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg
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Originally Posted by TUSK
Hey Tusk how about you sit these threads out if you're gonna just chime in with snarky Bama jabs. ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
+1. I hate bama then I have to read his crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Unless Mullen leaves on his own, it makes sense to keep him one more year for a few reasons:
1. He's earned the opportunity to fix his own problems. Plus, I'm tired of the treadmill we've been on in our history. Hire a new coach, he makes the team better, try's to get another job and neglects his current one, starts losing, we fire him. We shouldn't want to fire Mullen. It's continues to make MSU look like a graveyard for coaches.
2. Keeping Mullen and getting Keytaon Thompson on campus tremendously helps the next coach should we fire Mullen after 2017. Most new coaches fail due to poor QB play. Leaving the new coach Tiano, Fitz, and Thompson on the QB depth chart would be tremendous and really set that guy up to have success quicker.
Idea:
- since we are a stepping stone program, how about hiring a new coach for 5 years and then helping him get a better job? This way we would always have young, hungry, aggressive coaches running our program without having the program tank first. Again, it's become clear that we are a stepping stone job, so let's maximize that by making sure guys don't stay at MSU long enough to get complacent.
I wanted Mullen to put in Williams at the start of the 4th quarter just to see one thing. Does Williams in the game all of a sudden makes Fred Ross look like Odell Beckham Jr. That's what I wanted to see just to test the theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7