I remember these posts in 2008 when everyone was saying that you can't fire the reigning SEC coach of the year. Get back to me if we go 4-8 and the bears beat us by 30.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
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I remember these posts in 2008 when everyone was saying that you can't fire the reigning SEC coach of the year. Get back to me if we go 4-8 and the bears beat us by 30.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
I questioned it before Murray ruled it out. Now I believe it's in play lol. David Murray's articles are unlike anything I've ever read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
The buyout is not the problem. If we fire Mullen after one losing season we risk setting the program back even further. Look no further than OM firing Cutcliffe after 1 losing season post Eli. You are sending the wrong message to potential coaches out there. Ever wonder why OM had to settle on Orgeron? Because Cutcliffe deserved another season to try and right the ship and everyone realized that but OM. Everyone knew it was going to be a down year after Eli. If they had given Cutcliffe another year and he failed, they would've had an easier time cutting him loose and finding a better replacement.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastMan
If we have a losing season and Mullen is bought out, they better have a better guy lined up. Otherwise we get our Orgeron and we are looking at a 5 year rebuild minimum. A lot of fans, coaches, media outside of our fanbase believe Mullen has overachieved here. We believe he has only scratched the surface. But I guarantee you that we will have trouble finding a better coach than what we have if we fire the guy that has led MSU to the best run in school history after one losing season.
So if it's done, the administration better have "the guy" ready to sign the dotted line because a lengthy coaching search will not turn out well.
I keep telling you all this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
1- Nobody with power will force him out due to
a- #1 for 5 weeks straight for the 1st time ever.
b- taking an unknown QB, training him. That QB setting records and now as a starter at Dallas in his first year.
c- it being the first year with that leadership gone.
What he is talking about is your horse's mouth isn't being truthful!Quote:
Originally Posted by civildawg
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Originally Posted by Dawgology
Cliff notes: he made every attempt to leave, he was either not wanted or passed up. After making every attempt to leave he came back to our admin and demanded outrageous raises for himself, Hev and another assistant, none of which deserved it. He wanted to make Hev 6th highest paid OL coach in college football. Keenum laughed and didn't extend contract after dans antics for 2nd straight year. They didn't cave to his demands for first time since being here and he's been pouting ever since, going through the motions. Indignant to believe it but was slapped in the face by reality by what I sat and baked through saturday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
Hevesy isn't even the 6th best Ol coach in Mississippi and or HC wanted him to get 6th national money. Let this shit sink in. It's all about Dan and his buddies at the moment and they are all pouting. Time to cut bait
Whether intentional or not Mullen is basically holding the program hostage at this point. He has the administration by the balls. If he leaves on his own, he is leaving a lot of money on the table and he is going to take a pay cut. It's not that nobody wants him. Nobody is willing to pay him close to what he makes here. So why leave on his own will?Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
If he's unhappy and wants out then why not do just enough to get by? Earn the remaining money on his contract and then take the pay cut at the school of his choice. He is simply maximizing his earnings given his options.
So he tanks and we fire him? He gets a nice payout and walks away laughing because he knows the fallout there will be trying to replace the "most successful coach in school history" who MSU just fired.
Mullen is not dumb.
I agree that if a move is made- "the guy" better be ready to sign. We just did this in basketball. Looks like we learned our lesson after StandsQuote:
Originally Posted by Cowboydawg
I disagree this is a Cut situation. This is more of a Houston Nutt type situation. Coaches look apathetic, more suspensions and arrests starting to surface, glaring holes in recruiting, etc.
Completely agree and that's why I'm scared. edited to add: he knows he can tank and be fired and get another chance somewhere. Plenty of others have. Rich Rod, Tubberville, etc. He's essentially holding the cards now and there's nothing we can do but basically get down and beg him to start trying again. Doesn't exactly give you the warm and fuzzies does it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowboydawg
Oh, he's the winner in this no doubt. Getting fired will be a huge blow to his ego, but he'd walk away with a boat load of money thanks mostly to a young man named Dak Prescott.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowboydawg
If I 100% believed he wanted to be here long term and he'd quit playing games, I'd love to see him be our Frank Beamer. But this "courting other opportunities" bullshit has to end. It's an incredible road block down the stretch in recruiting and all the time that prospects spend thinking about MSU are spent wondering if the head coach is going to be there for much longer. Meanwhile, TSUN is partying like rock stars and handing out loaner cars while Freeze tells momma how Christ, through his football program, is going to change her son's life.
They go into December holding a bazooka. We go into December hoping we will still have someone hold a gun come January. It's a disastrous disadvantage and Dan has allowed it to play out MULTIPLE times. It's hurting our talent level and it has to stop.
You don't think OM's recruiting tactics have out Mullen in an unfair position? After all, om is in deep crap with the NCAAQuote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Yes. I do. But that doesn't discount his own actions that are hurting recruiting as well. You can add John Hevesy to the list of poor recruiting decisions too.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I don't really think we should compare our recruiting to OM's, but we battle them for the cream of the crop in state every year. We're not beating LSU or Bama or Auburn or A&M for a recruit either.
I wonder if UNM doing what they are doing has Mullen just saying f%^k it in recruiting and he will get some developmental players that want to put in the work. It is embarrassing that we can't even get an Olineman with SEC talent to come play under Hev. TBuck was here a month and signed close to the best Olineman we have gotten in the last 7 or so years. Mullen is a good to great coach if he gets his head out of his ass. It would help to get rid of Hev and Sallach also, maybe Knox.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You are going to see a change in some staff positions this year. Sallach is coming off and Peterson is going to coach te's. This will allow us to have a 4th offensive recruiter and we won't have to count John as one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Don't you tease us....BookmarkedQuote:
Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless
This makes perfect sense to me. I always wondered why the best HS coach in Mississippi would leave for an office job unless he was promised a path to the fieldQuote:
Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless
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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
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Originally Posted by Random Poster
No one understands what 4.275 million times 2.5 years is? It aint March. My post said if we fired him TODAY we'd owe him roughly 12 million.
And 4.275 million x's 2.5 years is not between 6-7 million. It's not even close. The buyout pays 1:1 according to the terms. Point remains.
Edited: His contract doesnt end until March 1, 2019. Built-in raises are automatic each year since March 2015. We will pay him more money in 2017 and 2018 than we paid him in 2015 and 2016. He makes $4.275 million average per year for the 4 year duration of the contract. So by my calculation, if we fired him TODAY, we'd owe him $10.6875 million to go away.
What am I missing with my math?
I thin this is Murray trying to cause some damage control. By saying "Dan's not going anywhere" I think MSU is hoping that some of our fans decide "well, we'll just support him anyway then because we might as well". The problem is this isn't 1989.
Ole Miss also thought that they would replace Cutcliffe with Dennis Erickson and they are racist. We need to stop looking at other schools screw ups and assuming that the same thing will play out here when we do make a coaching change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowboydawg
Why is Peterson not coaching tight ends now? That makes no sense on Dan's part of true. And I understand he does a lot of things that don't make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless
I don't think anyone realistically wants Dan fired after 1 game. I doubt anyone would want him fired after a loss to USCe unless it was a 48-0 domination and it would hurt the program to have a dead man walking. I highly doubt we fire Dan unless we miss a bowl game combined with getting our asses kicked by anyone with a pulse. Croom was possibly coming back until we got embarrassed in the Egg Bowl but that was the straw that broke the camel's back. He had already talked about dropping his boy McCorvey for Al Borges but after the Egg Bowl he was done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldsleeve Jr.
Maybe they do maybe they don't. That wasnt my point. My point was it doesnt make financial sense to fire him mid season. And I highly doubt we'll fire him after this season unless we only win 2 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
I'm not sure what type of profession you are in but you absolutely look at your market/your competitive landscape and learn from other people's mistakes. Nobody is assuming the same thing will happen. Are you assuming the same thing won't happen? To say we need to stop looking at other schools screw ups is a seriously misguided statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Outside of our own fanbase, the perception is that Mullen has overachieved here. Outside of the OM fanbase, the perception was that Cutcliffe was a very good coach that had a down year after losing Eli Manning. If we are willing to fire Mullen after 1 losing season we better be prepared for the backlash. To ignore what happened to a competitor in our market with a nearly identical budget and overall landscape, would just be foolish.
You don't assume the same thing will happen. You make sure the same thing doesn't happen. In this case, you have the next guy ready to step in much like Howland. If you don't have the next guy lined up...you get as much as you can out of Mullen another year.
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Originally Posted by Todd4State
Are you just looking at how many years are left on his deal and how much he makes per year? His buyout is not that high. Miami interviewed him last offseason and Maryland either interviewed him or was in some form of serious talks with him or his agent (depending on who you ask). If he had a $12 million buyout there wouldn't have been a single school in the country that would have even considered interviewing him at the end of last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldsleeve Jr.
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Originally Posted by Political Hack
He wanted time to learn the offense and get up to date on recruiting before stepping in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Im going off his actual contract. So yes, Im calculating his buyout by how many years left and his annual salary. Here's a link https://hkm.com/football/contracts/dan-mullen/Quote:
Originally Posted by HSVDawg
ETA: I don't know exactly what constitutes his "annual salary". I know the total sum comes from a few different sources.
No Mullen fan but it appears after he has always been the bridesmaid instead of the bride he finally realized being a whore doesn't land the groom. He hired some high school coaches last year to start helping him recruit better for the future. Problem is like everyone knows is the two to three years he was soiling his oats.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenheadDawg
Back on SPC during those great days about half the philosphers were saying we can't fire Croom, it'd look bad, year removed from a mighty Liberty victory. We don't have t he $, same crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
I haven't read the 4 pages of posts, so I don't know what the consensus is ... but yes, Mullen deserves, or should be given, a bye on a down year. I still have some confidence that this year will end better than most seem to think.
And fire him and a buyout of 3 or 4 years salary? Why just throw the money away? Let him coach and be happy that he doesn't buy players.
Apples and oranges. Not only are there a lot more boosters willing to pony up for football, but the athletic department is willing to dump money into football because football is actually profitable. There is a reason that successful football coaches are paid 10+ times more money than successful baseball coaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
Yes you learn from others mistakes- which is why it's less likely that we would pull a Cutcliffe debacle. But we have a lot of fans that assume they because Ole Miss botched that hire that we will too and there is no merit for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowboydawg
Speaking of learning from our mistakes- we historically hold on to coaches at least one year too long. That is what kills us and causes us to be set back for five years. We give way too much leeway and it's because we don't recognize the signs that a coach is done. And Dan has displayed a LOT of those so far. Lack of intensity, appearing not to care about losing, not making adjustments and appearing unwilling to do so, openly looking for jobs and etc.
We don't have to pay the entire 4.2 if he is fired. Some of that won't be fulfilled so it comes off. We will pay about 3.2-3.5 of it. We aren't going to fire Mullen Sunday if we lose. Any firing would take place in December. I'm not in any way saying we are going to fire him- but if we did- it would be between 6-7 mill come December.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldsleeve Jr.
If this kind of high school drama BS is going on then Dan should have been gone already. Grown men should be professional not whiny and selfish after losing to your biggest rival 2 years in a rowQuote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
Exactly.. Shit I think ND just got finished paying off fat ass Charlie Weiss recently ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
We fire him it will cost 6-7
If he leaves on his own- it's a million or less owed to us I believe
I don't think he can get hired at a Power 5 school at this point, unless he gets a new agent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
Excellent! Rep given!Quote:
Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless
If it comes down to it we might negotiate some kind of a severance package although coaching may be totally different because I would assume it's a lot more common to be fired in coaching than it is in a lot of other professions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster