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I give guys credit for winning bowl games because the alternative is losing them. If he was losing bowl games after good season we be complaining about that but for the most part Mullen is able to get his team up one last time to put an exclamation on the season.

I think that the first season is kind of a wash because it was with the deplorable talent left by Croom. The other season that I kind of see a mulligan was the year we started against Oklahoma State and Tyler Russell and a starting safety got hurt in the same game. Most teams fall apart in that situation and do not recover but Mullen was able to piece together another bowl team.

I agree that we could recruit better at OL but I trust that you're not saying anything that Mullen doesn't know. When it becomes time I'm sure that as a professional he will send Hevesy packing if he needs to. Until then you've got to assume that Hev is giving Mullen exactly what he wants and is meeting expectations.

Don't forget that lots of OL don't like spread offenses. The only reason why OM is pulling the OL they are is because they are throwing major $ around. If not no OL would be signing up for playing for a team that had all that talent and the #1 LT in the nation and still couldn't run the ball consistently up the middle. Once OM is busted you may see and uptick in our in State OL recruiting. Maybe. If not Mullen will deal with it.

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Originally Posted by DanDority

Now, take out the Greatest "LEADER" quarterback out of that percentage and what is his winning percentage?

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That's the stupidest ****ing thing I've ever read.

"Oh yeah, well if Mullen hadn't won all those games with players he recruited then he'd have a losing record!!!!!!"

No shit?

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Originally Posted by confucius say

To add, saban was a 7 win coach at the other msu prior to getting the Lsu job

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He won 9 his last year, but I get your point.

I don't know if a NFL team will pay 4 million for a QB coach and he needs to get to another level before he gets a head coaching job.

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

I give guys credit for winning bowl games because the alternative is losing them. If he was losing bowl games after good season we be complaining about that but for the most part Mullen is able to get his team up one last time to put an exclamation on the season.

I think that the first season is kind of a wash because it was with the deplorable talent left by Croom. The other season that I kind of see a mulligan was the year we started against Oklahoma State and Tyler Russell and a starting safety got hurt in the same game. Most teams fall apart in that situation and do not recover but Mullen was able to piece together another bowl team.

I agree that we could recruit better at OL but I trust that you're not saying anything that Mullen doesn't know. When it becomes time I'm sure that as a professional he will send Hevesy packing if he needs to. Until then you've got to assume that Hev is giving Mullen exactly what he wants and is meeting expectations.

Don't forget that lots of OL don't like spread offenses. The only reason why OM is pulling the OL they are is because they are throwing major $ around. If not no OL would be signing up for playing for a team that had all that talent and the #1 LT in the nation and still couldn't run the ball consistently up the middle. Once OM is busted you may see and uptick in our in State OL recruiting. Maybe. If not Mullen will deal with it.

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And yet on my candidates I listed you degrade their wins. Seems fair.

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Reason2Succeed- you are adding in bowl wins- I'm talking regular season. And his 1st season does count by the way

Nobody is saying he hasn't done a good job. But we have only seriously challenged for the West title once in 7 years. And that is not going to change until we recruit better upfront. State and Vandy are the only 2 SEC teams without a 4-star OL recruit on their rosters in 2016. OL recruiting has held us back the last few seasons with nothing pointing to that problem being rectified.

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Martinas Rankin being the #1 JUCO prospect would at least count for 4 stars.

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

I'm not 34. I manage a Taco Bell for Taco Tuohy

As to your question- I'm not for running anybody off except Hevesy. But I dont forget our HC begging for the Georgia job, talking contract with Miami until Mark Richt snaked him, and talking contract with Maryland and then getting cold feet. Dan Mullen isnt the only coach that can win here.

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Nobody is going to pay Dan what we pay him. He realizes that now. Time to get over him flirting with other schools.

Also it's time for the AD to TELL CDM to stop courting other jobs every year..

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Nobody is going to pay Dan what we pay him. He realizes that now. Time to get over him flirting with other schools.

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Only thing Mullen realizes now is how fast he got dropped by Miami when Richt became available

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

I'm not 34. I manage a Taco Bell for Taco Tuohy

As to your question- I'm not for running anybody off except Hevesy. But I dont forget our HC begging for the Georgia job, talking contract with Miami until Mark Richt snaked him, and talking contract with Maryland and then getting cold feet. Dan Mullen isnt the only coach that can win here.

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THIS...

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Originally Posted by DanDority

Now, take out the Greatest "LEADER" quarterback out of that percentage and what is his winning percentage?

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Huh? So those years don't count? That's like saying, what would Phil jackson's winning percentage be without Jordan w the Bulls and Shaq and Kobe w the Lakers. Hell at keast Dan recruited dak, Jackson was handed all of his studs.

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Miss State 1991-2016 has been totally different than before Jackie. It's a new age and we have SEC money. We were one of the bottom 20% moneywise in the 80's- now we are in the top 50% of college football in money and facilities. We pay top 25% to a HC. Its no more woe is us

Our last 25 years shows we can be a force in the SEC and we have had 2 of our top coaches in school history

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But every team gets SEC money and most of the larger schools have alumni bases that double or triple ours. That means they have more donations and MORE MONEY. Hell, just look at the dependencies of the recruiting budgets across the SEC.

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Originally Posted by fishwater99

THIS...

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Agreed. But we know he can, and win at levels never before seen at our school (modern era) over a length of time. Why screw with that?

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Agreed. But we know he can, and win at levels never before seen at our school (modern era) over a length of time. Why screw with that?

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Because if the next guy is unsuccessful we can always fire the next guy until we find someone that can succeed. Getting rid of Dan wouldn't kill our program. Just like getting rid of Polk didn't kill the baseball program.

How can you a holes type that much?

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Only thing Mullen realizes now is how fast he got dropped by Miami when Richt became available

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You trying to run him off has gotten old

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Originally Posted by JDog13

How can you a holes type that much?

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I had the benefit of a great Mississippi State education among my other scholastic achievements. Hahahaha!

(And being educated and disciplined doesn't make me an a hole).

The idea that we can just cycle through coaches until we find a real winner is real dumb and won't work. It will show that we have an unrealistic fanbase and administration that top candidates would not be attracted to. Plus, during all those experimental years we would have to wait 3/4 years for that coach to get his players in to see if he is any good.

Go ask Tennessee how that worked out for them. Yes, Fulmer had slumped but they haven't been right since they dumped him. Dooley and Kiffin were absolute train wrecks and the jury is still out on Butch Jones. And Tennessee has way more money, fans and more tradition that we do.

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

I had the benefit of a great Mississippi State education among my other scholastic achievements. Hahahaha!

(And being educated and disciplined doesn't make me an a hole).

The idea that we can just cycle through coaches until we find a real winner is real dumb and won't work. It will show that we have an unrealistic fanbase and administration that top candidates would not be attracted to. Plus, during all those experimental years we would have to wait 3/4 years for that coach to get his players in to see if he is any good.

Go ask Tennessee how that worked out for them. Yes, Fulmer had slumped but they haven't been right since they dumped him. Dooley and Kiffin were absolute train wrecks and the jury is still out on Butch Jones. And Tennessee has way more money, fans and more tradition that we do.

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Oh, my bad. I wasn't talking to you.

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

I had the benefit of a great Mississippi State education among my other scholastic achievements. Hahahaha!

(And being educated and disciplined doesn't make me an a hole).

The idea that we can just cycle through coaches until we find a real winner is real dumb and won't work. It will show that we have an unrealistic fanbase and administration that top candidates would not be attracted to. Plus, during all those experimental years we would have to wait 3/4 years for that coach to get his players in to see if he is any good.

Go ask Tennessee how that worked out for them. Yes, Fulmer had slumped but they haven't been right since they dumped him. Dooley and Kiffin were absolute train wrecks and the jury is still out on Butch Jones. And Tennessee has way more money, fans and more tradition that we do.

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Obviously the intent is to hire someone that will win. Not making a decision because someone else might not work leads to stagnation and never reaching your potential. You're operating under the assumption that Dan is the absolute best we could do and there's no truth in that.

People said the same thing about Jackie at one time. And yet he left, we were on probation AND hired an unsuccessful head coach and our program is still in good shape overall.

There are a lot of talented coaches that would be happy to come here get paid millions and put up with our "unrealistic expectations" which should be elevated to championship level after 2014. Not let's just be happy with 8 wins and the Belk Bowl.

I think we're going to see many head coaching changes in the SEC in the next 2-3 years. Miles could be gone just for not winning the west this year. Saban could leave Bama by retiring, or simply due to the fact that lunatic Bama fans think they should win the NT every year. Smart has 5 years maybe, but if he averages 9-10 wins a years he's no better than Richt. Malzahn is flopping. Freeze could be shown a show cause. Think the ruffled frat boy can win at S.C.?

JWS was the Dean of SEC coaches at 10 years. This is year 8 for Mullen.

All I can say is Stricklin better have his short list updated and maintain some good contacts around the country. Dan says he likes Starkville since his kids were born there, but many of us have moved our kids for a better opportunity. There are a few programs around the country that would pay 5M for Dan if he could get us to Atlanta.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Obviously the intent is to hire someone that will win. Not making a decision because someone else might not work leads to stagnation and never reaching your potential. You're operating under the assumption that Dan is the absolute best we could do and there's no truth in that.

People said the same thing about Jackie at one time. And yet he left, we were on probation AND hired an unsuccessful head coach and our program is still in good shape overall.

There are a lot of talented coaches that would be happy to come here get paid millions and put up with our "unrealistic expectations" which should be elevated to championship level after 2014. Not let's just be happy with 8 wins and the Belk Bowl.

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Just like the Bears were so sure Tony Dungy or Jon Gruden would jump at the chance to come to Oxford. You know, beautiful campus and shit....

I really think the absolute worst thing that could have happened was 2014. That run has made too many people lose sight of the need to build for the long term and really establish the foundation that we have never had in football. This Mullen needs to move on/when Mullen leaves talk is just as counterproductive as the Scientologists' annual job hunt.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Just like the Bears were so sure Tony Dungy or Jon Gruden would jump at the chance to come to Oxford. You know, beautiful campus and shit....

I really think the absolute worst thing that could have happened was 2014. That run has made too many people lose sight of the need to build for the long term and really establish the foundation that we have never had in football. This Mullen needs to move on/when Mullen leaves talk is just as counterproductive as the Scientologists' annual job hunt.

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I mentioned five mid major coaches that would likely come to MSU. Hardly Tony Dungy or Jon Gruden-esque expectations as that is the most likely route we will go when Dan leaves unless there is a retread like a Sherrill interested in our job.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I mentioned five mid major coaches that would likely come to MSU. Hardly Tony Dungy or Jon Gruden-esque expectations as that is the most likely route we will go when Dan leaves unless there is a retread like a Sherrill interested in our job.

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I don't see how you can say being able to a attract a mid-major coach is a step up from hiring a 1st time coach from the P5 coordinator ranks. It's pretty much the same thing. Hell, Coach 34's Kyle Wittingham arguement was at least saying we could attract an up and coming P5 coach.

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

But every team gets SEC money and most of the larger schools have alumni bases that double or triple ours. That means they have more donations and MORE MONEY. Hell, just look at the dependencies of the recruiting budgets across the SEC.

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Tulane, Houston, ACC, BYU, etc dont get SEC money. We are bringing in more than at 75% of the teams in college football because we are in the SEC. That helps our prestige outside the SEC and keeps us winning non-conference games we didnt used to win. Our facilities have come along way the last 30 years because of the growth of the SEC and SEC money. Its moved us past alot of teams that used to be ahead of us

Said it before, and I'll say it again: Wanting Dan gone is about the stupidest thing any State fan can want............as it stands now. We'll be able to attract so much coaching talent after we run off a coach averaging 8 wins a year at a perennial cellar dweller at the zenith of the SEC West's power.** Dan has a winning record over UK, OM, Arkansas, UT, Vandy, Mizzou, and is tied with UGA and UF, and is about to tied with Auburn. What a shitty record. SMH. Dude has kicked almost half of the conference's ass repeatedly now. A decade ago, I would have given you my left nut for this.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

You trying to run him off has gotten old

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I'm not trying to run Mullen off. Ive said 100 times you cant fire him. I'm just ok with it if he leaves. We'll be ok because Stricklin wont be allowed to Rick Ray it again.

But I'm pointing out that we did not extend his contract after he went 9-4- and we wont do it this year if he goes 6-6. 7-5 and it will be iffy. Gonna be a fun year to see what happens. I expect any and everything

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Originally Posted by DanDority

I'm sorry to disappoint, but what Dak did and continues to do can't be coached it is something that MANY can't and will never be able to do sadly. He is one of a few Great leaders of men and he happens to be a good athlete. Were he in the military he'd be a General before too long. Dan has very little to do with how good he is.

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And, SORRY to disappoint you .. but Mullen has also coached Alex Smith (#1 NFL draft pick), Josh Harris, Chris Leak, & Tim Tebow (Heisman winner).

Dan Mullen made 2* QB Chris Relf into a 9 game winner.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Obviously the intent is to hire someone that will win. Not making a decision because someone else might not work leads to stagnation and never reaching your potential. You're operating under the assumption that Dan is the absolute best we could do and there's no truth in that.

People said the same thing about Jackie at one time. And yet he left, we were on probation AND hired an unsuccessful head coach and our program is still in good shape overall.

There are a lot of talented coaches that would be happy to come here get paid millions and put up with our "unrealistic expectations" which should be elevated to championship level after 2014. Not let's just be happy with 8 wins and the Belk Bowl.

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You do realize that 2014 was only two years ago right? No one is "just happy with 8 wins and the Belk Bowl" but putting pressure on a coach and acting like you're ready to drop him on a dime two years after he's taken you to be highest ranking that your school has EVER been is cray cray. Calm down. Be patient.

I agree if Mullen leaves it is not the end of the world but to insinuate that our administration should be shopping around for the next guy is just because we haven't beaten Bama is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Pollodawg

Said it before, and I'll say it again: Wanting Dan gone is about the stupidest thing any State fan can want............as it stands now. We'll be able to attract so much coaching talent after we run off a coach averaging 8 wins a year at a perennial cellar dweller at the zenith of the SEC West's power.** Dan has a winning record over UK, OM, Arkansas, UT, Vandy, Mizzou, and is tied with UGA and UF, and is about to tied with Auburn. What a shitty record. SMH. Dude has kicked almost half of the conference's ass repeatedly now. A decade ago, I would have given you my left nut for this.

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You people simply cant read. Or cant comprehend.

NOBODY- I REPEAT NOBODY- HAS SAID ONE WORD ABOUT FIRING MULLEN.

What has been said that its ok if he chooses to leave. We will be fine. What I have also pointed out is that what EVERY FAN needs to watch for this season is how we finish. 7-5 or 6-6 finish and a 3rd straight Egg Bowl loss- we arent going to extend Mullen's contract. That puts him down to 2 years left on his deal and on the hotseat. That means in 2017 we will play Bama and LSU at home- and our toss-up games on the road. Thats typically not a schedule for success.

These next 2 years are going to be extremely interesting to see what happens. Does Mullen keep winning at least 8 games? Do we slide back to 6 or 7 wins? Could worse happen? We shall see. The West is interesting this year and next.

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Originally Posted by BiscuitEater

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Dan Mullen made 2* QB Chris Relf into a 9 game winner.

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at a time when OM was a trainwreck and A&M wasnt in the West. That couldnt happen today.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

I don't see how you can say being able to a attract a mid-major coach is a step up from hiring a 1st time coach from the P5 coordinator ranks. It's pretty much the same thing. Hell, Coach 34's Kyle Wittingham arguement was at least saying we could attract an up and coming P5 coach.

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I think it is safer to hire a coach with head coaching experience in my opinion. If we go the coordinator route that's fine too but I think it's a little more risky. As they say experience preferred.

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

You do realize that 2014 was only two years ago right? No one is "just happy with 8 wins and the Belk Bowl" but putting pressure on a coach and acting like you're ready to drop him on a dime two years after he's taken you to be highest ranking that your school has EVER been is cray cray. Calm down. Be patient.

I agree if Mullen leaves it is not the end of the world but to insinuate that our administration should be shopping around for the next guy is just because we haven't beaten Bama is ridiculous.

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I haven't said we should get rid of Dan. I'm saying our expectations should be higher now and Dan should be held to that standard. Keeping your failing albatross of an o-line coach is unacceptable. Openly looking for other jobs during prime recruiting season is unacceptable. Looking like you don't give a shit and having your team unprepared for a home Egg Bowl is unacceptable.

I'm also saying that yes Dan can be replaced contrary to what you believe or want to believe. It's ridiculous to believe that we can't and it's also chicken little as Dan is average at best as a head coach. Congrats to him for being more competent than Felker and Croom though.

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

I'm not trying to run Mullen off. Ive said 100 times you cant fire him. I'm just ok with it if he leaves. We'll be ok because Stricklin wont be allowed to Rick Ray it again.

But I'm pointing out that we did not extend his contract after he went 9-4- and we wont do it this year if he goes 6-6. 7-5 and it will be iffy. Gonna be a fun year to see what happens. I expect any and everything

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How could you have said it 100 times when you are such a new poster******

I love what Dan has done here and hope he stays and wins a bus load of games. I do agree if he left we could hire another great coach. However, to many are discrediting Dans success as it's easier to win, it's easier to get to bowl games because of more money and the extra ooc game etc.. But my question is if it's so easy then why have only 4 of the 7 teams in the sec west and only half the teams in the whole sec been to bowl games the last 6 years like we have? I see it both ways, Dan has done a great job here and will continue to win and I believe he will only get better, however I also believe if he does leave one day that we can attract another great coach. We are in an era at State like I only used to dream of as a kid and it's only gonna get better.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

. But my question is if it's so easy then why have only 4 of the 7 teams in the sec west and only half the teams in the whole sec been to bowl games the last 6 years like we have? .

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Because our permanent opponent from the East is Kentucky. Auburn's is Georgia. LSU's is Florida. Thats been huge for us as they have slid back. This season they will be a much tougher test for us in Lexington

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Because our permanent opponent from the East is Kentucky. Auburn's is Georgia. LSU's is Florida. Thats been huge for us as they have slid back. This season they will be a much tougher test for us in Lexington

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I understand that but those are teams we haven't beaten consistently in the past. Dan has changed the culture here. He's developed players and put more players in the NFL than we have ever done. He does have flaws but every coach does. I hope he stays a long time and wins a ton, but I also believe our next hire will be a great one as well.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I haven't said we should get rid of Dan. I'm saying our expectations should be higher now and Dan should be held to that standard. Keeping your failing albatross of an o-line coach is unacceptable. Openly looking for other jobs during prime recruiting season is unacceptable. Looking like you don't give a shit and having your team unprepared for a home Egg Bowl is unacceptable.

I'm also saying that yes Dan can be replaced contrary to what you believe or want to believe. It's ridiculous to believe that we can't and it's also chicken little as Dan is average at best as a head coach. Congrats to him for being more competent than Felker and Croom though.

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You're calling me chicken little but your whole premise is based around us going 7-5 or 6-6 this year. Okay.***

I guess we will indeed see. But one particular poster on here had a huge grudge against Mullen last seaosn when things weren't peachy. And his talking points sound an awful lot like some of the talking points I'm hearing today. lol

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

I'm not trying to run Mullen off. Ive said 100 times you cant fire him. I'm just ok with it if he leaves. We'll be ok because Stricklin wont be allowed to Rick Ray it again.

But I'm pointing out that we did not extend his contract after he went 9-4- and we wont do it this year if he goes 6-6. 7-5 and it will be iffy. Gonna be a fun year to see what happens. I expect any and everything

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We will win atleast 8 games this year.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

We will win atleast 8 games this year.

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then everything takes care of itself if that happens. I'm saying be prepared for the alternative