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08-02-2016, 09:21 AM
Bubb Rubb

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Who is looking likely?

Mullen is telling people offline that if the season started today it would be Williams. I don't think Fitz has his act together off the field.
08-02-2016, 09:27 AM
HSVDawg

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

According to one of their parents- that is 100% the plan. Mullen has been asked to make a decision by the end of week 3

End of week 3 is not before the season starts. And that would be incredibly stupid on the part of whichever player it is if they left midseason. They'd lose a whole year of eligibility even if they never played a snap in the first couple of weeks.

ETA: Sorry, missed above post about it being Week 3 of practice. Please disregard.
08-02-2016, 09:30 AM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by Bubb Rubb

Mullen is telling people offline that if the season started today it would be Williams. I don't think Fitz has his act together off the field.

If Williams is our qb we will struggle to get bowl eligible. He is nowhere near an SEC caliber player.
08-02-2016, 09:40 AM
Maroons

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Originally Posted by Bubb Rubb

Mullen is telling people offline that if the season started today it would be Williams. I don't think Fitz has his act together off the field.

I don't believe it even if Mullen is really saying it.

But if he's saying it offline, why in the world do you feel the need to post it publicly? Don't do crap like that.
08-02-2016, 09:49 AM
Mjoelner34

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Originally Posted by Jarius

If Williams is our qb we will struggle to beat South Alabama.

fify
08-02-2016, 09:50 AM
Interpolation_Dawg_EX

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Originally Posted by Bubb Rubb

Mullen is telling people offline that if the season started today it would be Williams. I don't think Fitz has his act together off the field.

Funny,I heard the complete opposite the other day...rumors abound this time of year.
08-02-2016, 10:13 AM
mcain31

I don't care which QB wins. I want someone to grab the brass ring and be a winner
08-02-2016, 10:41 AM
thf24

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Originally Posted by Bubb Rubb

Mullen is telling people offline that if the season started today it would be Williams.

Sounds like 100% coachspeak to me. If a shred of possibility of Williams being the starter over Fitz and Staley had ever existed in Mullen's mind, he would have played last year after he'd healed up. You don't redshirt a veteran for a year just to throw him on the field over multiple more talented younger guys the next. Seems pretty clear to me that Mullen's plan last year was to get Fitz and Staley the garbage time reps in preparation for this year while sitting Williams to give him an extra year should he choose to transfer. If he'd entertained the smallest possibility of Williams being this year's starter, he'd have gotten some reps towards the end of the year.
08-02-2016, 10:54 AM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

I'm sure Mullen doesn't either. Curious to see how he handles it. If nobody transfers out- we are going to see both of them play early. The thing is, you don't want to keep someone around that's going to be a problem either. That could easily happen into the season if he doesn't make a decision and one of them ends up sitting. They want to be able to transfer out to play juco and then find another school.

Why would anyone leave or announce a transfer during the season? That would be stupid. We've had seasons where our 3rd string QB has ended up starting due to injuries. I mean even if you want to transfer you can't do that until the next semester.
08-02-2016, 10:59 AM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Yes but can they realistically go into another team mid season like that and pick up their offense that quickly? It just seems like it would be hard to just show up and do that. Especially as short as the JUCO season is.

Exactly, if one of our QBs wants to step down in competition to play they would at least need to get a fall camp in at the new place just to get the offense down a little. Anyway, by the time our starting job is settled its likely going to be too late to transfer and enroll as a student to get on any other team anyway.
08-02-2016, 11:01 AM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Jarius

If they want Mullen to pick a starter by week 3, they aren't going to get to juco by the time the 1st game is played. Their schedule starts the same as ours. They aren't going to go through our fall camp and 2 weeks of the season and then go to a juco team and pick up the playbook in the middle of the football season (if you are talking about week 3 of the season). If you are talking about week 3 of training camp, well he isn't going to make a decision by then more than likely so they are probably going to have to get over it.

If anyone leaves its going to be someone that has seen the handwriting on the wall and does so before the first game.
08-02-2016, 11:40 AM
Bothrops

Remember, Mullen likes tall qb's. People are knocking on Williams, but he would have been a great SEC qb prospect 15-20 years ago. I think he can play, but is limited with his height. The 3 other guys have too much of an advantage.
08-02-2016, 11:48 AM
lamont

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Why would anyone leave or announce a transfer during the season? That would be stupid. We've had seasons where our 3rd string QB has ended up starting due to injuries. I mean even if you want to transfer you can't do that until the next semester.

Because players today aren't interested in waiting their turn. Why sit here on the bench when you can go juco and start? Then be recruited again somewhere that needs QB help in D-1.

Why stay here and ride the pine in Year 3?
08-02-2016, 11:56 AM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Because players today aren't interested in waiting their turn. Why sit here on the bench when you can go juco and start? Then be recruited again somewhere that needs QB help in D-1.

Why stay here and ride the pine in Year 3?

Your response only answers why someone would leave after the season. To leave or announce leaving during the season still makes no sense. EVERY school has a last day to enroll (even JUCOs) so even if someone saw they weren't getting playing time in the first game or two they would be hard pressed to get onto a team somewhere else.
08-02-2016, 12:13 PM
lamont

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Your response only answers why someone would leave after the season. To leave or announce leaving during the season still makes no sense. EVERY school has a last day to enroll (even JUCOs) so even if someone saw they weren't getting playing time in the first game or two they would be hard pressed to get onto a team somewhere else.

Let me spell this out:

If Fitz or Staley isn't named the starter by the end of the 3rd week of practice- Aug 20th or so- then they are going to be frantically looking for a school to transfer to. Considering most colleges don't start classes until middle or late August- that is plenty of time to transfer.

I can't be any clearer. Mullen, the QB's, and most everybody on the team is going to know who the starting QB is going to be by the end of week 3 of practice.
08-02-2016, 12:15 PM
Beaver

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Originally Posted by Bubb Rubb

Mullen is telling people offline that if the season started today it would be Williams.

And if the first game actually was tonight, I'd expect Williams to start. When Mullen lies in bed before the first game, he won't be thinking "who has the best upside" or "who can throw the ball downfield", he'll be thinking "who can manage the game well, and not turn the ball over"? Williams, AS OF TODAY, is the only QB who has any experience in a big time environment. He's kinda like Wyatt Roberts from Last Chance U...He's not Cadillac, but he's a reliable truck.

Now, I think most agree Fitz/Tiano/Staley all have higher ceilings than Williams. But one of them is going to have to start reaching towards their ceiling during fall camp. Someone who can lead the team, and can manage the gameplan. Personally, I hope it's Fitz or Tiano that receives the 1st snap against USA. However, if Williams is the guy, I won't bash Mullen....unless Williams turns the ball over and can't manage the game. Then all bets are off.
08-02-2016, 12:25 PM
1bigdawg

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Let me spell this out:

If Fitz or Staley isn't named the starter by the end of the 3rd week of practice- Aug 20th or so- then they are going to be frantically looking for a school to transfer to. Considering most colleges don't start classes until middle or late August- that is plenty of time to transfer.

I can't be any clearer. Mullen, the QB's, and most everybody on the team is going to know who the starting QB is going to be by the end of week 3 of practice.

This. I don't understand why so many posters can't grasp this and you have to spell it out for them. Also, Tiano will not start the first game no matter what. Mullen is not going to have both Fitz and Staley transfer.
08-02-2016, 12:25 PM
Jarius

Williams is not reliable. He helped us beat an Arkansas team in overtime that went winless in the conference and he scored 7 points in 3 quarters against ole miss. He got worse as a sophomore. He is not the answer, and if he is named the starter we are in serious shit. Fitzgerald looked better last year than Williams has looked at any point in his MSU career.
08-02-2016, 12:28 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Williams is not reliable. He helped us beat an Arkansas team in overtime that went winless in the conference and he scored 7 points in 3 quarters against ole miss. He got worse as a sophomore. He is not the answer, and if he is named the starter we are in serious shit.

This. My opinion is that Mullen is spreading the Williams stuff to make a point to the other QBs about what they will need to do to win the job.

Williams starting would be a disaster. He has little upside, a long release, and still turns the ball over.
08-02-2016, 12:37 PM
RiverCityDawg

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Originally Posted by Beaver

And if the first game actually was tonight, I'd expect Williams to start. When Mullen lies in bed before the first game, he won't be thinking "who has the best upside" or "who can throw the ball downfield", he'll be thinking "who can manage the game well, and not turn the ball over"? Williams, AS OF TODAY, is the only QB who has any experience in a big time environment. He's kinda like Wyatt Roberts from Last Chance U...He's not Cadillac, but he's a reliable truck.

Now, I think most agree Fitz/Tiano/Staley all have higher ceilings than Williams. But one of them is going to have to start reaching towards their ceiling during fall camp. Someone who can lead the team, and can manage the gameplan. Personally, I hope it's Fitz or Tiano that receives the 1st snap against USA. However, if Williams is the guy, I won't bash Mullen....unless Williams turns the ball over and can't manage the game. Then all bets are off.

I agree with this explanation, except not based on Williams being "reliable" as much as Fitz/Staley not quite doing everything they need to do YET to seize the job. Mullen isn't going to give the job to either of them by default. Not at this point, at least. Like you, I'm extremely hopeful that one of them will take the next step during camp. Just part of the process.
08-02-2016, 12:40 PM
Interpolation_Dawg_EX

I can only imagine what these poor dudes are about to go through over the next few weeks haha. Mullen is going to be all over them. He stated he wanted to see who could be consistent, be exceptional on the routine plays, and not fold under the bright lights....no bigger lights than fighting for a starting QB spot in the SEC.
08-02-2016, 12:40 PM
lamont

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Originally Posted by 1bigdawg

Also, Tiano will not start the first game no matter what. Mullen is not going to have both Fitz and Staley transfer.

This all day long
08-02-2016, 12:41 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by 1bigdawg

This. I don't understand why so many posters can't grasp this and you have to spell it out for them. Also, Tiano will not start the first game no matter what. Mullen is not going to have both Fitz and Staley transfer.

Well let me spell THIS out: The discussion was about a player announcing a transfer DURING THE SEASON. Did you read what you replied to? Yes, I could see someone potentially leaving PRIOR to the season if they see they have no chance to start or play this season.
08-02-2016, 12:42 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg

I agree with this explanation, except not based on Williams being "reliable" as much as Fitz/Staley not quite doing everything they need to do YET to seize the job. Mullen isn't going to give the job to either of them by default. Not at this point, at least. Like you, I'm extremely hopeful that one of them will take the next step during camp. Just part of the process.

How did Williams ever get the "reliable" label?

Where did this come from?

He was atrocious in 2014 and, out of the 4 QBs, he brings the least to the running game, which is by far the least risky thing we can do on offense.

I have hard time believing that Fitz and Staley have been here 2 years and Tiano 1 full year and they don't know how to line the team up.

I don't see the debate here. It's a mindless argument to me.
08-02-2016, 12:43 PM
Beaver

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Fitzgerald looked better last year than Williams has looked at any point in his MSU career.

Not hard to look good when you're playing Northwestern State and Troy.
08-02-2016, 12:49 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Williams is not reliable. He helped us beat an Arkansas team in overtime that went winless in the conference and he scored 7 points in 3 quarters against ole miss. He got worse as a sophomore. He is not the answer, and if he is named the starter we are in serious shit. Fitzgerald looked better last year than Williams has looked at any point in his MSU career.

Williams may be better but I've never personally witnessed him have a 'good' game. Yes, Williams ran in a TD in OT against Arkansas but Tyler Russell did pretty much everything else in the game. Against UNM, Williams led us to 7 points from about 30 yards out after a Bo Wallace INT and that is all. He NEVER looked good in his chances as a SO. To me the very best I've ever seen him look was this past Spring game but I'm not sure how much I can take away from a Spring game.
08-02-2016, 12:50 PM
DancingRabbit

My guess for game 1 is that Williams will start but not play as much as Fitz or Staley. Maybe Tiano gets a series, maybe not.

Against USCe I think Fitz gets the nod but Staley and/or Williams will get a chance if Fitz doesn't show out.
08-02-2016, 12:53 PM
lamont

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Originally Posted by DancingRabbit

My guess for game 1 is that Williams will start but not play as much as Fitz or Staley. Maybe Tiano gets a series, maybe not.

Against USCe I think Fitz gets the nod but Staley and/or Williams will get a chance if Fitz doesn't show out.

There is no way we are going to play 3 QB's. It's hard enough getting the #2 guy enough reps each week to be ready to play. No way you can get enough reps for 3 guys. It's got to be down to a 2 man race by kickoff
08-02-2016, 01:01 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

He was atrocious in 2014.

This isn't a vote for Damian in the least but he wasn't atrocious in 2014 our fans just didn't want to see him in the 1st qtr of our 1st 2 games & we just made him terrible. He was 14/23 155yds 3tds/0int & 16car 90yds rushing. Again not a vote for Damian but what he actually was & what our fans remember are 2 different things a lot of times.
08-02-2016, 01:03 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by Beaver

Not hard to look good when you're playing Northwestern State and Troy.

Williams got his opportunity in 2014 in mop up duty and looked much worse than Fitz did against those types. USM and UAB come to mind.
08-02-2016, 01:06 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Williams may be better but I've never personally witnessed him have a 'good' game. Yes, Williams ran in a TD in OT against Arkansas but Tyler Russell did pretty much everything else in the game. Against UNM, Williams led us to 7 points from about 30 yards out after a Bo Wallace INT and that is all. He NEVER looked good in his chances as a SO. To me the very best I've ever seen him look was this past Spring game but I'm not sure how much I can take away from a Spring game.

He was decent in the spring game. In a scrimmage or 2 before that spring game he had one of the worst qb performances I've ever seen. Worse than Henig or Riddell or Topps. It was horrible. His career stats are a 52% completion % and 3/2 td to int ratio. He has no elusiveness either. Just mediocre.
08-02-2016, 01:09 PM
thf24

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

This isn't a vote for Damian in the least but he wasn't atrocious in 2014 our fans just didn't want to see him in the 1st qtr of our 1st 2 games & we just made him terrible. He was 14/23 155yds 3tds/0int & 16car 90yds rushing. Again not a vote for Damian but what he actually was & what our fans remember are 2 different things a lot of times.

Didn't he have multiple fumbles in that limited action though? Thinking back, that's what I recall as negatives during 2014; way more deer-in-headlights moments than a good player should have in that small a number of plays.
08-02-2016, 01:12 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by thf24

Didn't he have multiple fumbles in that limited action though? Thinking back, that's what I recall as negatives during 2014; way more deer-in-headlights moments than a good player should have in that small a number of plays.

Yes, he dropped 2 or 3 balls snapped to him from Center.
08-02-2016, 01:15 PM
Beaver

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Originally Posted by thf24

Didn't he have multiple fumbles in that limited action though? Thinking back, that's what I recall as negatives during 2014; way more deer-in-headlights moments than a good player should have in that small a number of plays.

No, no picks or or fumbles in 2014. He had 2 in 2013, 1 against USM and 1 against OM. I'm not saying he's a reliable qb compared to the rest of the SEC, just it seems he'd be more reliable TODAY than the other 3. And if Mullen thinks the same in a month then so be it.

Eta: He fumbled a ball against UAB in 2014 but didn't lose it.
08-02-2016, 01:16 PM
RiverCityDawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

How did Williams ever get the "reliable" label?

Where did this come from?

He was atrocious in 2014 and, out of the 4 QBs, he brings the least to the running game, which is by far the least risky thing we can do on offense.

I have hard time believing that Fitz and Staley have been here 2 years and Tiano 1 full year and they don't know how to line the team up.

I don't see the debate here. It's a mindless argument to me.

I agree. He's viewed as most experienced so people therefore think he's least likely to make a mistake, which I don't necessarily agree with. Could be, but that's not the only thing to consider, as you point out.

Point is, it's more about pushing the other guys being more consistent so their playmaking isn't offset completely by huge mistakes (INTs).

Another factor is all the stuff off the field that we don't see. If the QB/leader isn't handling his business the right way but still gets to start, the other players take notice and it can screw up team chemistry or lower the work standards for others. I don't know who's not doing what, but by all accounts the players like and respect Williams.
08-02-2016, 01:19 PM
RiverCityDawg

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Originally Posted by Beaver

Not hard to look good when you're playing Northwestern State and Troy.

Maybe that's true, but Williams had his chances in 2014 and didn't do anything. He's not flashed play making potential outside of one run against Arkansas.
08-02-2016, 01:30 PM
confucius say

Bottom line is we have to have a playmaker at qb to win 7-8 games. We don't have the offensive personnel, o-line, or dominant defense to put a game manager under center and win 7-8 games.
08-02-2016, 01:37 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

This isn't a vote for Damian in the least but he wasn't atrocious in 2014 our fans just didn't want to see him in the 1st qtr of our 1st 2 games & we just made him terrible. He was 14/23 155yds 3tds/0int & 16car 90yds rushing. Again not a vote for Damian but what he actually was & what our fans remember are 2 different things a lot of times.

Meh, that's Bc he was terrible in the first halves of our first two games: 7-14 with no scoring drives. Offense stalled out every time he was inserted until late in game in mop up duty.

Again, our qb has to be a playmaker, not a game manager.
08-02-2016, 01:41 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Meh, that's Bc he was terrible in the first halves of our first two games: 7-14 with no scoring drives. Offense stalled out every time he was inserted until late in game in mop up duty.

Again, our qb has to be a playmaker, not a game manager.

That's why I said this wasn't a vote for Damian but let's be real all we have is mop up duty for Fitz & Staley plus a few team scrimmages for Tiano. Calling any of the 4 guys playmakers would truly be a guess right now because none of them have done anything yet when facing legit competition.
08-02-2016, 01:47 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

That's why I said this wasn't a vote for Damian but let's be real all we have is mop up duty for Fitz & Staley plus a few team scrimmages for Tiano. Calling any of the 4 guys playmakers would truly be a guess right now because none of them have done anything yet when facing legit competition.

If Damian is the best playmaker, he should play. I don't think that's the case though. Who do you think ultimately starts game 1 and who wins the job?

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