Rosebowl says bowl ban coming to OM

A bowl ban is a huge penalty- as are scholarship reductions

They are getting both- and I will feel like the NCAA did their job. Only question is will it be this year or next

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Originally Posted by raymond21

Ross and Freeze telling the sheep 14 scholarships over 4 years. If true , this will have little or no effect on the program.

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20+ over 4 years
Bowl Ban 1 or 2 years
3 coaches with Show Clauses

Do y'all seriously think they will stop cheating just because they go on probation, get a bowl ban, lose coaches, and lose ever how many scholarships?

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Originally Posted by Brando

Their Bowl Ban will mean a trip to Cancun to do "Mission Work"......

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You misspelled Haiti

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Do y'all seriously think they will stop cheating just because they go on probation, get a bowl ban, lose coaches, and lose ever how many scholarships?

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no

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Do y'all seriously think they will stop cheating just because they go on probation, get a bowl ban, lose coaches, and lose ever how many scholarships?

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I think they'll limit their cheating more to in-state prospects... Kinda like this year

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Do y'all seriously think they will stop cheating just because they go on probation, get a bowl ban, lose coaches, and lose ever how many scholarships?

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Not completely, but surely they would cut way back. SMU got the death penalty because they continued the payments after sanctions and got caught. The chances of getting caught are very slim, but the potential penalties could give them pause.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Do y'all seriously think they will stop cheating just because they go on probation, get a bowl ban, lose coaches, and lose ever how many scholarships?

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I'd have to say no.

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Originally Posted by ElitedawgRecruiting

The NCAA in no shape form or fashion is going to shut down the entire ole miss athletic department.

I have been saying this and will keep saying it. It's gonna be way to much for ole miss people and not nearly enough for Msu people when all is said and done.

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Well, anything more than 3 over 9 will seem excessive to them and anything less than the death penalty will seem light to us. It'll definitely be somewhere between those two.

I think it's going to be north of 21-22 scholarships, a 1-2 year bowl ban, and I think they put the clamps down on official visits too. Along with a spattering of show causes for multiple coaches/administrators.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I think they'll limit their cheating more to in-state prospects... Kinda like this year

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Bingo!

As long as it's all in-state fights over recruits with a Z71 here or a Mustang there the NCAA will give zero shits and Saban and Harbaugh will be appeased.

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Originally Posted by PassInterference

Texas did one better and scheduled a end-of-season extra game at Hawaii. Did it for the same season that the bowl ban was in place.

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Yes i misspoke...end of season for Alabama at Hawaii as well..
http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-foo...112602aac.html

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

Well, anything more than 3 over 9 will seem excessive to them and anything less than the death penalty will seem light to us. It'll definitely be somewhere between those two.

I think it's going to be north of 21-22 scholarships, a 1-2 year bowl ban, and I think they put the clamps down on official visits too. Along with a spattering of show causes for multiple coaches/administrators.

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Well a little bit of an overstatement on what MSU fans would expect. Not even SMU got the death penalty before they were repeat offenders. UNM is not a repeat offender in the eyes of the NCAA even though anyone who has observed their recruiting practices over the years would know they are a constant offender. Their major boosters can't stand it if they are not highly tied into the recruiting process and "helping" the cause.

Footage of Hugh Freeze meeting with NCAA officials. Pay attention to the part where he stresses that nothing shady is going on...................Not long before he goes to jail later in the movie.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0lByEmGkkU

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

Can someone tell me how many Level 1 infractions ULL had? I can't find the number anywhere. Someone on twitter said they just had 1. If that is true, the bears are screwed.

I thought ULL had between 3 and 5. Can anyone get some clarity on that issue. The bears have 8. I don't care that some happened under my favorite bear coach of all time (Nutt), if ULL got 3 and 11 for 3 Level 1 infractions, the bears will be at 4 and 16 at a minimum.

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4, and they did not have the aggravating circumstances of multiple sports with 16 (8 for football alone) level 1, 8 level 2 and 28 overall violations like UNM.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

no

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Me either.

Death Penalty for two seasons, no scholarships the next two (come back in D-3), then if they stay clean, maybe the Sun Belt will take them.

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Originally Posted by Mutt the Hoople

Death Penalty for two seasons, no scholarships the next two (come back in D-3), then if they stay clean, maybe the Sun Belt will take them.

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There would be mass suicides. The NCAA can't do that just on the basis of saving human lives...

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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

4, and they did not have the aggravating circumstances of multiple sports with 16 (8 for football alone) level 1, 8 level 2 and 28 overall violations like UNM.

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I don't want to sound like a dick about this, but if that's not Lack of Institutional Control AND Failure to Monitor then I don't know what the hell is.

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Originally Posted by Mutt the Hoople

Death Penalty for two seasons, no scholarships the next two (come back in D-3), then if they stay clean, maybe the Sun Belt will take them.

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Funny thing is, you'll now see a complete imbecile like OleMissGuy take this as a literal prediction and run to every MB he can find, posting, "this is what those crazy guys at ED think!" He's either too stupid to understand when someone is being facetious, or it's just his innate dishonesty (he is an habitual liar).

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Originally Posted by LockeDawg

I don't want to sound like a dick about this, but if that's not Lack of Institutional Control AND Failure to Monitor then I don't know what the hell is.

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The ironic thing about that is that what they do is the very definition OF institutional control. Everything is set up there to work the way it has to this point. The plan was working well until Freeze decided to call Lindsey Miller a wife beater.

as a lifelong MSU fan, if we were looking at what olemiss has actually admitted to, I would be terrified. And maybe it is because I am a lifelong MSU fan that I somehow expect them to somehow not get what they deserve as compared to what ULL got for instance.

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Originally Posted by AlSwearengen

as a lifelong MSU fan, if we were looking at what olemiss has actually admitted to, I would be terrified. And maybe it is because I am a lifelong MSU fan that I somehow expect them to somehow not get what they deserve as compared to what ULL got for instance.

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I agree, and to be honest if we were accused of and caught with everything they have been so far, I would say we deserved every bit of punishment we got.

I still don't understand the no discussion on how Tunsil's family moved to Oxford. What about the cash returned by the bamer signee? What about the bamer player who had to sit a few games? What about all the stuff miller said to the media? Does the NCAA not know about all the cash tossed around during crootin weekends? Are they going to get busted for buying players like everyone knows?

Maybe the NCAA can't prove those instances. Even if they can't prove them though, the NCAA could still decide to ramp up the punishment for the charges they can prove bc they know about the others.

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Originally Posted by Bully13

I still don't understand the no discussion on how Tunsil's family moved to Oxford. What about the cash returned by the bamer signee? What about the bamer player who had to sit a few games? What about all the stuff miller said to the media? Does the NCAA not know about all the cash tossed around during crootin weekends? Are they going to get busted for buying players like everyone knows?

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I'm with you. Certainly seems like no one cares at all.

I say again, Rosey and Corch have a lot riding on this.

I don't post much but I thought this was interesting.
I spoke with an ex Auburn player from Mississippi who works with me. He gave me a great amount of insight with regards to the cheating that Ole Miss routinely involve themselves in. He told me when he was being recruited he was pretty set on going to Auburn. His coach got him out of class one day to introduce him to some Ole Miss recruiters (no names given). He told them he was pretty set on Auburn but his mom wanted him to go to Ole Miss. That weekend, a couple boosters drove up to his house. One was driving a truck with the sticker still in the window. He gave him the truck and said he would have a great career at Ole Miss. He took the truck and just as an excited 17 year old would do, he drove it to his dad's house to show him. His dad got pissed and talked to him. He said his dad told him nothing is free. Said his family don't need handouts. He brought the truck back to the dealership and Ole Miss never contacted him again.
Also of note, he said Croom came to talk to him. Told me how nice and upfront Croom was. He told Crooms that he's sorry but wasn't going to State. Croom said he never had anyone tell him straight up like that and he appreciated the honesty. I'm sure he got more used to it as his career went on.
And to top it off, he said he went to Auburn last month and met with the coaches and team. Talking to one of the assistants he questioned why Auburn doesn't recruit Mississippi as much. The coach told him that if the players are talented and honest they go to State. All the others are being scooped up by Ole Miss boosters. He said Ole Miss cheats so hard that it's not worth it. I was thinking the whole time that's a bit of the pot calling the kettle black.
We've had some good conversations from the 3-2 offensive struggle to Derek Pegues. Nice guy.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Maybe the NCAA can't prove those instances. Even if they can't prove them though, the NCAA could still decide to ramp up the punishment for the charges they can prove bc they know about the others.

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I would bet they can prove just as much in the Tunsil situation as could be proved in the Sidney situation as to where money comes from.

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Originally Posted by MSUDawg99

I agree

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+1

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

Not gonna argue with him or say he's wrong because he's been pretty much on the nose about this.

But I still don't see a bowl ban. The SEC will help them out on that. Sure Sanky can't be on the committee when the OM stuff comes up. But anybody who has ever served on something like that, as I have, will tell you the members of the committee take care of each other.

Because it may be your ass the next time and you need a little help. It's human nature.

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You (and others) are talking about a potential bowl ban like it is just a hair below the death penalty in terms of punishment severity. That's not even close to the truth. In the early 90's, bowl bans were about the most severe punishments that the NCAA would hand out, but that has changed a lot.

Here is a more accurate list of punishment severity in order of most severe to least severe:
1) Death penalty (won't ever happen again)
2) Show cause for head coach
3) Severe scholarship reductions
4) Bowl ban
5) Assistant coach show causes
6) Probation

Numbers 5 and 6 have more or less already happened for OM. They self imposed probation already in their NOA response, Saunders got his show cause, and Vaughn most definitely has one coming. It's a certainty that the NCAA will impose some combination of numbers 3 and 4. The only question is how many scholarships and how many years the bowl ban will be. Honestly, outside of the elite programs in the national championship hunt, nobody really gives a shit about a one year bowl ban. It would be fun to poke at OM for that 4 week window between the Egg Bowl and NYD about staying home for the postseason, but it will have minimal long term effect if its just a one year ban. It's definitely not something that Sankey should try and throw his weight around to prevent from happening. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.

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Originally Posted by Dawg Tired

I don't post much but I thought this was interesting.
I spoke with an ex Auburn player from Mississippi who works with me. He gave me a great amount of insight with regards to the cheating that Ole Miss routinely involve themselves in. He told me when he was being recruited he was pretty set on going to Auburn. His coach got him out of class one day to introduce him to some Ole Miss recruiters (no names given). He told them he was pretty set on Auburn but his mom wanted him to go to Ole Miss. That weekend, a couple boosters drove up to his house. One was driving a truck with the sticker still in the window. He gave him the truck and said he would have a great career at Ole Miss. He took the truck and just as an excited 17 year old would do, he drove it to his dad's house to show him. His dad got pissed and talked to him. He said his dad told him nothing is free. Said his family don't need handouts. He brought the truck back to the dealership and Ole Miss never contacted him again.
Also of note, he said Croom came to talk to him. Told me how nice and upfront Croom was. He told Crooms that he's sorry but wasn't going to State. Croom said he never had anyone tell him straight up like that and he appreciated the honesty. I'm sure he got more used to it as his career went on.
And to top it off, he said he went to Auburn last month and met with the coaches and team. Talking to one of the assistants he questioned why Auburn doesn't recruit Mississippi as much. The coach told him that if the players are talented and honest they go to State. All the others are being scooped up by Ole Miss boosters. He said Ole Miss cheats so hard that it's not worth it. I was thinking the whole time that's a bit of the pot calling the kettle black.
We've had some good conversations from the 3-2 offensive struggle to Derek Pegues. Nice guy.

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Post more stuff like this. Liked that.

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Originally Posted by Dawg Tired

I don't post much but I thought this was interesting.
I spoke with an ex Auburn player from Mississippi who works with me. He gave me a great amount of insight with regards to the cheating that Ole Miss routinely involve themselves in. He told me when he was being recruited he was pretty set on going to Auburn. His coach got him out of class one day to introduce him to some Ole Miss recruiters (no names given). He told them he was pretty set on Auburn but his mom wanted him to go to Ole Miss. That weekend, a couple boosters drove up to his house. One was driving a truck with the sticker still in the window. He gave him the truck and said he would have a great career at Ole Miss. He took the truck and just as an excited 17 year old would do, he drove it to his dad's house to show him. His dad got pissed and talked to him. He said his dad told him nothing is free. Said his family don't need handouts. He brought the truck back to the dealership and Ole Miss never contacted him again.
Also of note, he said Croom came to talk to him. Told me how nice and upfront Croom was. He told Crooms that he's sorry but wasn't going to State. Croom said he never had anyone tell him straight up like that and he appreciated the honesty. I'm sure he got more used to it as his career went on.
And to top it off, he said he went to Auburn last month and met with the coaches and team. Talking to one of the assistants he questioned why Auburn doesn't recruit Mississippi as much. The coach told him that if the players are talented and honest they go to State. All the others are being scooped up by Ole Miss boosters. He said Ole Miss cheats so hard that it's not worth it. I was thinking the whole time that's a bit of the pot calling the kettle black.
We've had some good conversations from the 3-2 offensive struggle to Derek Pegues. Nice guy.

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I'm not buying this.

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Originally Posted by HSVDawg

You (and others) are talking about a potential bowl ban like it is just a hair below the death penalty in terms of punishment severity. That's not even close to the truth. In the early 90's, bowl bans were about the most severe punishments that the NCAA would hand out, but that has changed a lot.

Here is a more accurate list of punishment severity in order of most severe to least severe:
1) Death penalty (won't ever happen again)
2) Show cause for head coach
3) Severe scholarship reductions
4) Bowl ban
5) Assistant coach show causes
6) Probation

Numbers 5 and 6 have more or less already happened for OM. They self imposed probation already in their NOA response, Saunders got his show cause, and Vaughn most definitely has one coming. It's a certainty that the NCAA will impose some combination of numbers 3 and 4. The only question is how many scholarships and how many years the bowl ban will be. Honestly, outside of the elite programs in the national championship hunt, nobody really gives a shit about a one year bowl ban. It would be fun to poke at OM for that 4 week window between the Egg Bowl and NYD about staying home for the postseason, but it will have minimal long term effect of its just a one year ban. It's definitely not something that Sankey should try and throw his weight around to prevent from happening. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.

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Two things, bowl bans used to carry much more weight simply because there were a fraction of how many bowls there are now. You can have a losing record and get a bowl now. Teams used to have to earn a bowl game.

Secondly, does the end of year payout change with a bowl ban now? That would be the difference nowadays, and obviously missing out on some free stuff for the players. They can always schedule a nice trip game if can't go to a bowl

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Originally Posted by HSVDawg

You (and others) are talking about a potential bowl ban like it is just a hair below the death penalty in terms of punishment severity. That's not even close to the truth. In the early 90's, bowl bans were about the most severe punishments that the NCAA would hand out, but that has changed a lot.

Here is a more accurate list of punishment severity in order of most severe to least severe:
1) Death penalty (won't ever happen again)
2) Show cause for head coach
3) Severe scholarship reductions
4) Bowl ban
5) Assistant coach show causes
6) Probation

Numbers 5 and 6 have more or less already happened for OM. They self imposed probation already in their NOA response, Saunders got his show cause, and Vaughn most definitely has one coming. It's a certainty that the NCAA will impose some combination of numbers 3 and 4. The only question is how many scholarships and how many years the bowl ban will be. Honestly, outside of the elite programs in the national championship hunt, nobody really gives a shit about a one year bowl ban. It would be fun to poke at OM for that 4 week window between the Egg Bowl and NYD about staying home for the postseason, but it will have minimal long term effect of its just a one year ban. It's definitely not something that Sankey should try and throw his weight around to prevent from happening. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.

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If the death penalty is off the table then no one told the NCAA because small schools and non-revenue generating sports are still getting the death penalty. If it is proven that the death penalty has been taken off of the table for one sport and not the others then a lawsuit is bound to happen sooner or later.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Do y'all seriously think they will stop cheating just because they go on probation, get a bowl ban, lose coaches, and lose ever how many scholarships?

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Hell, they didnt stop cheating during the investigation. Who would think that?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Maybe the NCAA can't prove those instances. Even if they can't prove them though, the NCAA could still decide to ramp up the punishment for the charges they can prove bc they know about the others.

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I think this is exactly the case. They know they've been lied to. They know what doesn't pass the smell test and they are dealing with a program that thinks the committee is dependent upon the rules of evidence to impose infractions.

Which will make the screams of "everybody does it" even more melodic. It will make "yall are just jealous" and "doesnt erase the wins" even sweeter to hear.

No, everybody doesnt.
Those that do arent nearly as naive to believe its justified.
Nobody wants success followed by an asterisk
It proves unequivocally they admit they cannot earn the fruits of actual success.

As a law school, Ole Miss is looking at this as a legal question, as in courts and precedent and statutes. The NCAA is not bound by any of that.

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Originally Posted by JoseBrown

Two things, bowl bans used to carry much more weight simply because there were a fraction of how many bowls there are now. You can have a losing record and get a bowl now. Teams used to have to earn a bowl game.

Secondly, does the end of year payout change with a bowl ban now? That would be the difference nowadays, and obviously missing out on some free stuff for the players. They can always schedule a nice trip game if can't go to a bowl

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I was once told that while under a post season ban, you don't get your cut of the conference bowl money, but that if you make it through the end of probation, you get half of what you would have otherwise received. Person that told me that was a student worker for the Athletic department. Didn't provide any source of this rule, so if that's even the way it worked, that could have been an SEC rule.

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Originally Posted by Dawg Tired

I don't post much but I thought this was interesting.
I spoke with an ex Auburn player from Mississippi who works with me. He gave me a great amount of insight with regards to the cheating that Ole Miss routinely involve themselves in. He told me when he was being recruited he was pretty set on going to Auburn. His coach got him out of class one day to introduce him to some Ole Miss recruiters (no names given). He told them he was pretty set on Auburn but his mom wanted him to go to Ole Miss. That weekend, a couple boosters drove up to his house. One was driving a truck with the sticker still in the window. He gave him the truck and said he would have a great career at Ole Miss. He took the truck and just as an excited 17 year old would do, he drove it to his dad's house to show him. His dad got pissed and talked to him. He said his dad told him nothing is free. Said his family don't need handouts. He brought the truck back to the dealership and Ole Miss never contacted him again.
Also of note, he said Croom came to talk to him. Told me how nice and upfront Croom was. He told Crooms that he's sorry but wasn't going to State. Croom said he never had anyone tell him straight up like that and he appreciated the honesty. I'm sure he got more used to it as his career went on.
And to top it off, he said he went to Auburn last month and met with the coaches and team. Talking to one of the assistants he questioned why Auburn doesn't recruit Mississippi as much. The coach told him that if the players are talented and honest they go to State. All the others are being scooped up by Ole Miss boosters. He said Ole Miss cheats so hard that it's not worth it. I was thinking the whole time that's a bit of the pot calling the kettle black.
We've had some good conversations from the 3-2 offensive struggle to Derek Pegues. Nice guy.

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HMMM? Enforcer?

It's my understanding the bowl and TV revenue is withheld until the probation period expires.

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Originally Posted by Bully13

I still don't understand the no discussion on how Tunsil's family moved to Oxford. What about the cash returned by the bamer signee? What about the bamer player who had to sit a few games? What about all the stuff miller said to the media? Does the NCAA not know about all the cash tossed around during crootin weekends? Are they going to get busted for buying players like everyone knows?

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Yes! And where are the burner phones??