Ole Miss should hire Bracky Brett away from us immediately in order to ensure the best outcome possible to this impending disaster.
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Ole Miss should hire Bracky Brett away from us immediately in order to ensure the best outcome possible to this impending disaster.
Another Reb troll sneaking in. Damn, these guys want on here so bad it's funny!
I read the same thing here: http://community.seattletimes.nwsour...8&slug=1942647Quote:
Originally Posted by politidawg
The only issue is that it was published on Friday, November 18, 1994
The amazing thing is these trolls think we are so dumb we will fall for their BS posts and not find them out.
If CJ doesn't play for them, that is huge. He is damn good pass rusher, and without him, they might as well forget it. THe rest probably aren't going to start anyway, and I doubt Kailo plays at all this year. Track guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
I know who the others are, but refresh my memory about who A. Golson is. Is he the ol from alabama that was committed to fsu? And what keeps kailo from playing? The only thing I have heard specific is the house for mom and now the word is that the house wasn't provided. Could the house be out of the contract b/c the ncaa was onto it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
I doubt we will ever see a program get the death penalty again, but if it's as bad as everyone is saying it is, I wouldn't be shocked to see UM get a tv ban like they did last time with an addition of forfeiture of tv revenues. Taking away over $15 million in revenues would send a message to them.
Word here on the Hill in DC is that it goes all the way to the top - like AD level.
If any is true, no way bjork is in on this. Youve lost your mind
Maybe so, just passing along what's going around in some of the state offices for the schools ED mentioned above.
Not to mention Bjork wasn't even there for some of the things being looked atQuote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
Just another terrible rumor
I hate to be the negative nancy here, but I still doubt anything will happen to them. The NCAA is INCAPABLE of handling situations like this.
the first time time I posted it on 247 was about Chris Jones committing. People were scared because he had shut his coach out of his recruitment and his coach interpreted that as a bad sign and that be was going to OM. That was never the case. He brought everything back into his family and his girlfriends family, who I understand is as close to him as his own. Anyone that says he didnt know for sure until NSD doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Theyre taking one story from his former high school coach and claiming to know everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonDawg4Life
The recent "IT" was in part some of the repercussions OM will suffer from going after CJ Sr. Theyre trying to say its an MSU issue, but anyone notice how MSU compliance didn't even attend the meeting? That's a 100% indicator that the meeting had nothing to do with MSU. All that said, CJ is only a small part of this story. I expect a comprehensive investigation that will cover 5-10 players, over a dozen boosters, multiple coaches, several former recruits, and more.
This is the very tip of the iceberg. Theyre going to want to blame State, but States been complaining about their cheating for years. However, the NCAA seems to pay a little more attention when it comes from Bama, UGA, FSU, Auburn, and maybe others. I expect it to take a long, long time... possibly 2-3 years before any sanctions are handed down. However, I do think there will be sanctions if the NCAA still exist by the time this thing ends.
Avon Barksdale wasn't ever in the room with any actual drugs on The Wire, either.
Kailo isn't that good, at least right now, so it would be better for State fans if he played right away. This is coming from an ole miss die hard who attends most of the practices and has watched him with his own eyes. Kailo basically just runs up into the backs of folks and gets bushwhacked. But while Kailo sucks right now, Kemdeeeechee and the frosh WR are legit stars.
It's also crazy that the guy I know never BS's me and that they [ole miss folk] don't know about all this magical stuff that MSU fans apparently know from their "inside sources." You'd think they would be scared. Maybe they are in denial.
It will be interesting to hear how this turns out. One thing you can know for sure is that if its the NCAA, they will surely screw everything up. Heck they may not even be the governing authority for the SEC by the time they get their ducks together on this. They haven't even come out with a final reprimand on the Miami stuff yet (I don't think).
Hopefully, it takes a couple years to hammer out. As time goes on, hopefully more public confirmations come indicating that different players and coaches are being looked at. A good public 2 year investigation like XenaReb produced would essentially be 2 years of informal scholarship reductions. In that 2 years of uncertainty, crootin will be down for them like it was for Sherrill.
The actual probation may or may not be worse than the 2 year dark cloud.
In the end, they get what they deserve.
Moving forward, I think that Bulldog Nation is of like mind that MSU and OM *could* peacefully co-exist by playing with honor among cheaters, as the rest of the SEC does. Wine and dine your people. Croot your recruits. But leave that egomanical Merry Flipmas big library weekend shit out of the equation. Play be the street's rules or get kicked out of the street.
Miami is a different story. The NCAA has legal issues of their own in that case. I wouldn't judge any other case using a Miami precedent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman14
excellent. I agree on all fronts.Quote:
Originally Posted by PassInterference
my point is they may very well do the same stupid mess in this case, as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by PassInterference
and that the power conferences are going to break away eventually anyhow.
but yeah the cloud of the investigation is going to be very damaging, plus the fact that while you are being stared at, you can't really cheat that much. that's what happened to state when the cam scandal was going on. we couldn't get our cheat on. bad recruiting class in terms of closing the guys on the fence.
and while we are talking, apparently the OM folks agree that their QB has been atrocious...and they are very concerned on that issue....he's throwing ducks..
But they just, "rented," for a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
Excellent post and I would be OK and would agree to recruiting peacefully as you say without all of the ridiculous hat parties, Flipmas, and etc. Unfortunately, I do not believe Ole Miss can help themselves. They're always going to want to do crap like that. In the meantime, we're just going to continue to recruit like we do and see mostly positive results on the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by PassInterference
The thing that State fans have to be careful of is not expecting them to get too much in terms of sanctions. Any State fan that thinks that they are going to get the death penalty is going to be disappointed. I don't think that's what is going to happen. I do think they will get sanctions- probably more along the lines of what USC got which would be relatively worse to Ole Miss since they won't fill 15 spots up with all 4-5 star recruits.
The other thing that has been discussed in this thread that State fans have to be prepared for are Ole Miss fans blaming this all on MSU. We need to hammer home the point that this is NOT us and is more about Georgia and the other big boys. They are going to repeat, repeat, repeat again that it's MSU turning them in until some State fans actually end up believing it. Let's not let that happen on the message boards. I am 100% sure that when this is all over that they are going to try to turn us in to the NCAA for whomever, and they are going to say "well, it's because YOU turned us in first" even though that is not the truth.
On that note, I just hope that we stay as clean as possible in the meantime and that the Will Redmond situation is turned into a blessing in disguise by exposing the weakness of our compliance dept. I hope that weakness gets corrected in the meantime.
If you guys had to guess as to what the sanctions will be, what do you think that tsun gets? What would be major sanctions if it comes out as bad as people on here think?
I also hope that one of the former players is pat pat. I think they cheated to get him.
No idea at this time- nobody knows until the NCAA keeps talking to people. Hell, we dont even know who all they have talked to at this point. You know OM isnt going to let anyone knowQuote:
Originally Posted by MaroonDawg4Life
J R on 56 today said Bo Boy is throwing B B's
If they get away with this,then nothing will be done to them ever. I would give up on them ever being caught. My stepdad who is a bigtime rebel fan says if u got something let it out lets hear it otherwise you have to say its good recruiting. He says I don't pay attention to what people say on the internet anybody can post garbage. I'm tired of State fans saying we're cheating if we are prove it and if u can't prove it then shut up about it. I hope they get busted big time so I can tell him there you go you cheated and now you are busted.
In my humble opinion I think the quotes from Pete Boone in this article show that the Forward Rebels Campaign may be responsible for the culture at om and why they may be facing criticism. One of forward rebels' main goals was to oust Pete Boone and change the direction of the administration. I think this quote is really quite telling :
"“I’m so focused on compliance. Y’all have been reading about all the issues out there. That’s not going to happen at Ole Miss. Maybe other than Vanderbilt, Ole Miss may be the only school since our 1994 (NCAA investigation) — which brought me into this world — without a major investigation from the NCAA.We’re going to have institutional control.
“But when you do that you’re telling a coach he can’t do this or that.You’re putting monitors in place, and they say, ‘You don’t trust me.’That’s just the nature. To me, the integrity of Ole Miss is at stake. I’m going to do everything I can do, and my boss expects me to do that. Those kinds of things build up over time.”"
http://mrsec.com/2011/06/ums-boone-d...ngry-boosters/
From the Albert Means wikipedia page:Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_MeansQuote:
In January 2001, former Trezevant assistant coach Milton Kirk asserted that head coach Lynn Lang had let colleges know that for $200,000 Lang would arrange for Means to play for Alabama. Kirk said that in the fall of 1999, he'd helped Lang broker a deal with several Alabama boosters in the Memphis area. During the fall, he'd gotten $30,000 from the boosters. The other $170,000 was paid when Means signed with the Crimson Tide in December.
12 years later, inflation coupled with rising costs of selling players to highest bidders would put you at the $300k mark for whomever was brokering Tunsil.
I agree with everything here pretty much, but especially the bolded paragraph. UM absolutely loves that their fans are turning this into an MSU thing; that gives them a scapegoat and takes the pressure off of them cheating. They will let their fanbase be ignorant to what's really going on, so long as the administration and big boosters aren't getting the blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
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Originally Posted by messageboardsuperhero
Since Mullen came on board we have done everything we can to alienate UM. The hope was that those fools would do exactly what they did....try to "put us in our place" and get caught cheating resulting in crippling Sanctions. Now we are in a great position to sit back and watch the whole thing burn down.
Maybe we aren't specifically involved in this meltdown but we sure as hell have a role in how all this has played out.
You know, this same thought has been in the back of my mind for a while. Needle them so much and get on their nerves to the point where they do stupid shit in order to get bragging rights "back" over State. You know, whatever it takes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boya
But even if the NCAA has some solid evidence on OM, I just don't have the confidence that they will even make an effort to slow their roll.
Does any of this have to do with the "Colonel Club" if such a group exists.
Heard that club/group spent 1.5 to 1.75 Million on that recruiting class.
Any new organization will not and can't allow cheating such as the bears were involved with these past 2-3 years.
Well I'm not sure if we needled them to have that exact effect but it seems that is exactly what happened. OM has always had more booster involvement in recruiting than we have overall BUT it was really not until after the 2010 season while we were at the Gator Bowl and they were sitting home with a losing record after a second straight Egg Bowl loss that they seemed to throw caution to the wind and pulled all the late shenanigans with the 2011 signing class that got them CJ Johnson among others but in that case they seemingly kept the shenanigans to mostly in state players. Since then they just seem to have gotten more and more brazen in what they are doing recruiting wise and apparently with the arrogance where they believe they are untouchable. And to be honest, if they hadn't gone outside of the state borders of MS with some of this stuff lately, I DO believe the NCAA would have ignored them. As has been stated here, it certainly seems to be the heavy hitter programs that have lost some players to OM in mysterious ways since Freeze moved into town that has gotten the ball rolling and now the can of worms over the entire past few years has apparently been opened.Quote:
Originally Posted by BossDawg
I don't that was necessarily the "gameplan" any more than Ole Miss losing to Jacksonville State was part of the "gameplan". Sometimes things just kind of happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boya
I think the reality is Dan is a good coach overall but unlike Tyler he actually tries to do things on the up and up as much as possible and he doesn't have the baggage that Jackie had. So, because of that- it's more difficult to "put us in our place". Because Dan is a good coach we have started to win consistently and also we have started to defeat them consistently. The last time Ole Miss was on probation, we proceeded to land a 3-8 egg including a loss to Ole Miss at home as well as a loss to Northeast Louisiana despite having TWO first round draft picks on the team in Eric Moulds and Walt Harris. And then there were rumors of Jackie being fired after we lost to La Tech in 96 until Jackie saved himself by upsetting Alabama and then winning the Egg Bowl. But we weren't able to put Ole Miss away at that time even though the door was wide open. That loss in 95 was really big in hindsight because had we won that Egg Bowl we would have won six out of seven Egg Bowls between 1993 and 1999. With the one loss being a one point loss on what was essentially the last play of the game of a game that we completely dominated for three and a half quarters.
I also think that Dan has a sustainable long term plan- Jackie signed too many JUCO's and it started to put a major strain on us. Especially when they stopped producing. We are winning the state in terms of productive college players- as in how they actually turn out once they get to MSU and develop as players. In years past, a guy like Vick Ballard goes to USM and Benardrick McKinney probably ends up somewhere like Memphis or Jackson State.
We just have to be prepared to defend ourselves when the time comes. But the good news is I highly doubt we're also going to have Georgia, Alabama, Florida State, etc pissed off at us as well.
They didn't spend $1.5m on their recruiting class. They have $1.5m in their slush fund.
What happened to Forward Rebels? They had a slush fund open to public contribution. Forward Rebels spent a hell of a lot of money on very expensive full page ads in several big newspapers. Forward Rebels got their desired athletic department turnover. Then what happened to the money?
http://www.jasoninch.com/wp-content/...uiremoney.jpeg
What could have happened to that organized booster controlled fund that obviously had a lot of money in it? The gatekeepers to that money are well known. Should be easy to find out if they donated their war chest to The Universahtay. I'm guessing they did something else with it - like fund those bastard's most expensive recruiting class to date.
Maybe we need Forward Bulldogs with KFC buckets or some such for public contributions. Our logo could be a Bulldog doing a Yancy wink.
that's an excellent question...
how did Forward Rebels discourse the money the raised after they stopped their publicity campaign?
The Golson flip is still the one that is most suspicious to me..Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Just go back and read some of the quotes from him. UM wasn't even on his radar till late in year. Kid was a FSU commit since Apr 2011.
His FIRST EVER visit on Jan 19 weekend the first thing about Um he said was "they got pretty girls.".... Jenn Sterger thinks that statement was ridiculous..