There is a video. What other investigation would you like done that shows more than that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taog Redloh
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There is a video. What other investigation would you like done that shows more than that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taog Redloh
Oh, you've just lost your mind. Carry on then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taog Redloh
Hey, here an idea for all the idiots on twitter right now, how about we just let the people who know Simmons decide his fate instead of just blindly kicking him off team.
Social media sucks.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
You don't even know this kid. You have no idea where his heart is or what even happened. You want to kick him off the team just on this video?Quote:
Originally Posted by HSVDawg
Wow...just....wow**Quote:
Originally Posted by Taog Redloh
No, really. Wow.
Jeffrey needs to issue a public apology and get signed up in anger management classes asap if he wants to be here.
So...I guess you would be more than happy to apply that same level of sympathy to other SEC football players who get in/have been in similar situations?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
If Mullen kicks him off the team, here's the timeline of what will happen:
April - Kicked off team
August - enrolls at EMCC
September - Plays for EMCC
November - Ole Miss & Alabama proclaim that he's magically rehabilitated
November - He signs with Ole Miss or Alabama
Again, what does this accomplish? Why should MSU be punished for this?
Video conveniently picks up at the 'result', and does not show what led up to it. If a woman insulted my dead family members the results would be the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by HSVDawg
He's not an SEC football player. He's a high school kid who's probably had shady people around for a long time. He's never been in any other trouble & he hasn't had the guidance of our coaches around him to help him. Why would we not enroll him again? Just to make a point?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Again, what does kicking him off the team accomplish? Please answer that
I love all these morality warriors coming out and trashing the kid, it's crazy to see. The problem with zero tolerance is that there is ZERO... and that applies to all of you. Maybe you didn't punch a woman, but did you ever grab one by the arm? Or pound on a table in front of one during an argument? Yell and scream to the point where one was intimidated? Those can all be construed as assault by the police... so guess what? Through the right lens you're guilty, too. Quit judging and let the process play out, give some thought to what's really at stake here not just for football but for a young man's life.
As Smoot said, you should be able to look at this from the point of view of a human being....not a human being who places priority of interpreting right and wrong based on how it helps you win football games.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
What went on at penn state prior to the raping of little kids that eventually led to turning a blind eye to raping little kids?Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Eta: or are you equating hitting a female to raping children? I'm fine with whatever punishment Simmons gets, but let's not act like defending hitting a woman is the "exact same thing" as defending raping children.
When seeing the evidence- it wasnt hard to side with WinstonQuote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
None, but a bunch of morality warriors want to try to act tough. Never been under the microscope and never had a day of hardship in their lives. So easy to sit in the ivory tower and judge people tho...Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I'm just sick twitter people policing the world & offering their unwanted & unasked for advice.
Mullen should definitely punish him or even suspend him for the season, but he should absolutely enroll him. Would be stupid not too
already doneQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Not a single person is trashing the kid. Not one.Quote:
Originally Posted by SDDawg
And that's funny, considering that if discussing the severity of a situation like this, is 'now trashing a kid', what does that make the dozen of threads (ha, jk...hundreds) that rip apart other SEC players for the "mistakes" they've made?
Hmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by SDDawg
Good. Now sign up for anger management.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
From what I've heard, Simmons is a great kid. Even something as stupid as this (it was stupid too), shouldn't ruin a kid's future esp considering this is after all a misdemeanor (a really ugly one)
To be fair, those kids are heathen, not fine, upstanding citizens like our kids**Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
So is this more acceptable than dropping a pass or failing to establish post presence? Because those mistakes get a lot more scrutiny around here.
Yeah it is odd to me, that a woman trashes dead people, and is rewarded for it by the sheep. She meant ill will towards him. Yet he was defending his family and made a bad decision, and is dragged through the coals.Quote:
Originally Posted by SDDawg
The world has taken a turn for the surreal. The PC white knights really don't have much world experience IMO.
Years and years of that fanbase treating Paterno and the coaching staff and players like heros and defending anything and everything that might not cast the best light on them. Which in turn led to Paterno and the coaching staff attempting to save their reputation above all and for people who may have otherwise spoken up to remain silent for fear of being run out of town.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
What he did should have consequences, but to jump from 5 seconds of video where most people have no idea what happened to "he should be dropped and MSU should move on" doesn't make sense to me at all. There has to be a middle ground where he can learn from the mistake and move on and still have the opportunity to be at MSU, that's all I'm saying. I honestly don't know what happened but I assume that his apology was sincere and that the police don't plan to charge him so I see no reason to make this bigger than it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taog Redloh
Please remember that Ole Miss has a QB that threatened to shoot people and now they praise him like he's the second coming... (excuse the reference on Holy Saturday).
Please show me one person who is defending her, or anyone who has given her some type of reward. This is not a good situation in any direction. But that in no way makes what Simmons did ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taog Redloh
Goat does make a good point. People yelling "consequences" need to remember that includes both sidesQuote:
Originally Posted by Taog Redloh
First, what kind of consequences would you suggest be placed on her? Second, what on earth does that have to do with Mississippi State?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Didn't we just hire one of the people who has been close to him the whole time? I think this argument doesn't hold water.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I am not offering up any opinion on what his future should be with us. That's up to the coaches. But, there is no mistaking what actually happened because there is video evidence of it. And it isn't good. Saying there needs to be additional investigation is silly because it's already all out there for the world to see. Whether or not I know him, what his motives or character are, or what prompted him to do this are all irrelevant as to what actually transpired.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I went to Charleston in the early 80s. Have some family that still live in the free state of Tallahatchie. I can see this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Anybody raised in the South that was involved in athletics growing up or as an adult can see this... especially as concerns football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins
I'm not hitting a woman, I don't care what she says. I'm 6'2" 225+, nothing a woman says to me gives me the right to hit her. Anyone that says otherwise is a fool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taog Redloh
Who hasn't had a crazy girl say something stupid/insulting/awful to us at a bar? The idea of hitting her has never crossed my mind.
she got hers for talking about someone's dead cousinsQuote:
Originally Posted by smootness
no- no we didntQuote:
Originally Posted by OurState
I see incidents like this about once or twice a month in Clarksdale.
C34 is right that far too often it is a culture issue....not to mention that some of us keyboard heroes might react the same way
We also have to remember that we have not yet received anywhere near the full story on this incident. JS may be taking the high road - after the fact - and taking responsibility for his actions when there could be far more to this story. I am gonna hold off judgement until more comes to light
have you ever had a 6'1- 185 pound black chick attack you? I can assure you- all situations arent the same. Black people and white people around Mississippi grow up differently. Anything saying they dont is full of shit. Its different culturesQuote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
No.. It doesn't work that way with women. I get what you are saying about the culture. It's possible Simmons was never taught to never hit a women under any circumstances unless your life is in danger. But you cannot say the woman deserved to be hit by a man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34