Can we use some logic for a second?

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Jackie took us to Atlanta once and had the lead for our 2nd potential SEC title midway thru the 4th quarter. Later the wheels fell off and we all know outsiders helped with the fall. Dan had us #1 in the nation for five weeks. It felt very surreal for me while it was happening, but our family made potential plans to the national championship playoffs. Yeah, it's been tough the way we have closed against Alabama and UM the last two years. I'm excited about the new hires on D, but if we don't improve the OL situation this coming year (and the running game), it will be time for a big shakeup ASAP. We don't need another Croom/McCorvey situation and it looks pretty close at times.

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We won 2 or 3 games each year when I was at State...... Get out of here with that shit.

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Originally Posted by Bucky Dog

Please go **** yourself and your negative arrogant ass attitude!!

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Thank you for your elaborate, educated response. You've added so much to the conversation, I am having a difficult time deciding where to start on your comment.

It's called "paying attention" to what Mullen says, does, what departing coaches say and do, and the words that come out of recruits mouths when they go elsewhere.

If your dictionary has that definition listed for "arrogant ass attitudes" I highly suggest you head out to your local wal mart and scoop you up a Webster's.

And since I believe you are more intelligent than thinking "arrogant ass attitude" has that definition, I'm fairly certain you used an insult because someone posted the truth about someone you refuse to acknowledge the truth about what the person is doing and has been doing. I'm not going to apologize for observing entrack record and pattern of Mullen, the coaching carousel and similar instances, and the rubbing the wrong ray of recruits and their families. Choose to ignore if you wish, but the problem is not going away.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Thank you for your elaborate, educated response. You've added so much to the conversation, I am having a difficult time deciding where to start on your comment.

It's called "paying attention" to what Mullen says, does, what departing coaches say and do, and the words that come out of recruits mouths when they go elsewhere.

If your dictionary has that definition listed for "arrogant ass attitudes" I highly suggest you head out to your local wal mart and scoop you up a Webster's.

And since I believe you are more intelligent than thinking "arrogant ass attitude" has that definition, I'm fairly certain you used an insult because someone posted the truth about someone you refuse to acknowledge the truth about what the person is doing and has been doing. I'm not going to apologize for observing entrack record and pattern of Mullen, the coaching carousel and similar instances, and the rubbing the wrong ray of recruits and their families. Choose to ignore if you wish, but the problem is not going away.

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I don't care how arrogant our coach is as long as he keeps winning games.

But this new "coaching carousel" and "Nobody likes Mullen" shit is laughable. It's just another sad attempt at sabotaging the most successful MSU football coach since WWII (That's 75 ****ing years by the way).

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Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption

I don't care how arrogant our coach is as long as he keeps winning games.

But this new "coaching carousel" and "Nobody likes Mullen" shit is laughable. It's just another sad attempt at sabotaging the most successful MSU football coach since WWII (That's 75 ****ing years by the way).

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That's exactly what it is. It's no coincidence that this crap has heated up as the stuff up north has. These "fans" saying this is starting to resemble Jackie's last years are accidentally right in one count. The rumors and bs coming from up the road do resemble what went on to bring Jackie down. It was predictable. What's also predictable is that some that really are ours will jump right in and help.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

That's exactly what it is. It's no coincidence that this crap has heated up as the stuff up north has. These "fans" saying this is starting to resemble Jackie's last years are accidentally right in one count. The rumors and bs coming from up the road do resemble what went on to bring Jackie down. It was predictable. What's also predictable is that some that really are ours will jump right in and help.

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Do I think Dan offends the recruits that want to hear "you are the second coming, and will start from day one", but Dan says "Come to State. You will work your ass off and have to compete for your position. If you are the best, then you will play and be prepared for the next step."? Yup.

Do I think Dan offends handlers/parents with their hands out? Yup

Do I think Dan making personnel and recruiting decisions based on what he thinks is right for the program and not what some internet jockey, recruiting website, or blogger says is the gospel, and that pisses them off? Yup.

Do I think people try to spin that for their own agendas, recruiting advantage, or deflection as to why they know more? Absolutely.

Do I think people will be trying to spin the same shit when we win 8 next year and they can't explain how they were wrong again? Like clockwork.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Do I think Dan offends the recruits that want to hear "you are the second coming, and will start from day one", but Dan says "Come to State. You will work your ass off and have to compete for your position. If you are the best, then you will play and be prepared for the next step."? Yup.

Do I think Dan offends handlers/parents with their hands out? Yup

Do I think Dan making personnel and recruiting decisions based on what he thinks is right for the program and not what some internet jockey, recruiting website, or blogger says is the gospel, and that pisses them off? Yup.

Do I think people try to spin that for their own agendas, recruiting advantage, or deflection as to why they know more? Absolutely.

Do I think people will be trying to spin the same shit when we win 8 next year and they can't explain how they were wrong again? Like clockwork.

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i think it is a little bit of both views. Is Dan an arrogant Yankee--well sure He is. Does he piss some people off--all the time. Does he coddle and protect his Yankee Buddies--that is a fact. Is he hard headed- He proved that when all He had to do was tell the Media He wasn't going to go anywhere and was happy at MSU, Instead he acted like a Prima Donna and made the deal much worse than it should have been and it was used against us in recruiting. Is it a fact Dan pisses off some of His assistant Coaches- for sure He does. But Is Dan winning games a State at a higher clip than any Coach in History--Damn Right. He is our Arrogant Yankee and we will put up with Him as long as he wins 8 games a year.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

i think it is a little bit of both views. Is Dan an arrogant Yankee--well sure He is. Does he piss some people off--all the time. Does he coddle and protect his Yankee Buddies--that is a fact. Is he hard headed- He proved that when all He had to do was tell the Media He wasn't going to go anywhere and was happy at MSU, Instead he acted like a Prima Donna and made the deal much worse than it should have been and it was used against us in recruiting. Is it a fact Dan pisses off some of His assistant Coaches- for sure He does. But Is Dan winning games a State at a higher clip than any Coach in History--Damn Right. He is our Arrogant Yankee and we will put up with Him as long as he wins 8 games a year.

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Ha. Sorry but that's about as skewed to one side take on Mullen that was suppose to be a blend of both views I have ever read. Not going to pick on the whole post but just the idea he pisses people off all the time is not accurate or a view that's "little bit of both".

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Here's some logic for everyone. How many of you on this board would want to stick around a company with an arrogant boss who obviously plays favorites to others who are undeniably underperforming? You see it year in and year out, yet nothing changes. Something opens up, be it a lateral move, and you take it because you are sick and tired of seeing someone get rewarded for performing less than you have and you are getting passed over for promotions.

Some of you need to take the maroon glasses off and look at these situations as real world job environments. If any damn one of you enjoy or would enjoy the boss playing favorites to under performers, then you are and always be just a passive sheep who will get walked on throughout life.

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Turner was just promoted to Assistant Head Coach over the rest of the staff - the "playing favorites" argument doesn't make sense.

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Originally Posted by woozman

Turner was just promoted to Assistant Head Coach over the rest of the staff - the "playing favorites" argument doesn't make sense.

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It does when you've been spouting an agenda since the Egg Bowl loss.

I'm still amazed at MSU fans who fall along the OM party line with the "Arrogant Yankee" label.

Sure he's arrogant. No question.

But the Yankee crap originated, and is still a card played by the Confederate Faithful from the Plantation. It's time we recognize that we need to reject the Old South premise of staying old school and playing up to sentiment instead of innovation from outside the history of the SEC.

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Originally Posted by Dawgcentral

I'm still amazed at MSU fans who fall along the OM party line with the "Arrogant Yankee" label.

Sure he's arrogant. No question.

But the Yankee crap originated, and is still a card played by the Confederate Faithful from the Plantation. It's time we recognize that we need to reject the Old South premise of staying old school and playing up to sentiment instead of innovation from outside the history of the SEC.

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If he was just arrogant He would be like Kiffin or Saban, but being a Yankee might be worse than arrogant when sitting in Mississippi living rooms. But combine them and it is a Tough Hill to Climb.

Yeah maybe. But that's more of a perceived problem in Mississippi living rooms put forward by the old school confederates than it is a reality in today's world of Mississippians who should know that MSU is the People's University.

We can at least attempt to be consistent in our world view.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

i think it is a little bit of both views. Is Dan an arrogant Yankee--well sure He is. Does he piss some people off--all the time. Does he coddle and protect his Yankee Buddies--that is a fact. Is he hard headed- He proved that when all He had to do was tell the Media He wasn't going to go anywhere and was happy at MSU, Instead he acted like a Prima Donna and made the deal much worse than it should have been and it was used against us in recruiting. Is it a fact Dan pisses off some of His assistant Coaches- for sure He does. But Is Dan winning games a State at a higher clip than any Coach in History--Damn Right. He is our Arrogant Yankee and we will put up with Him as long as he wins 8 games a year.

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like it or not- this is dead right. 100%