Turner to A&M done deal

Us losing Turner is not a good thing, but the UM staff is not just staying there because they love Oxford and Freeze so much. They are staying there because everyone in the coaching profession knows that they are only worth a crap because of the talent that they accumulate and they aren't going to be able to recruit that way at other schools because other schools don't drive 150 mph down the interstate. They hired a bunch of washed up has beens and guys with criminal records that all of a sudden turned into ace recruiters late in their career. It's the equivalent to Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, etc. hitting for more power at the end of their career than they did at the beginning.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Its not unusual for new coordinators to want their own guys when they take a job. Someone that goes along with their coaching philosophy and someone they know. Not saying that's whats happening but it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility. I like to study on all the possiblities before I freak out over something. Not always good just to react on emotion lol

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Again- turner left on his own free will. He wasn't pushed out by any shape, form or fashion.

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Originally Posted by Boodawg

So um doesn't lose any of their key coaches that I know of, in the wake of the investigation, and we lose our entire defensive staff. What gives?

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The UM staff is under a BIG cloud at the moment. Think about it.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Yet no Ole Miss coaches have left. Wonder why?

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Not judging good or bad - but since he entered coaching in 1986, Turner has never spent more than 3 years in one place. Moving on seems to be his MO.

In all honesty our defense has sucked the last few years. I'm not that fussed about making a clean break.

This is major red flags on the type of program Mullen is running. Ive never seen a prpgram with this type of attrition.

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Originally Posted by Dawgtini

You mean we can't go straight to Mullen is an ass, we suck, YANKEE, erebody wants out of starkghanny. We poorz!! Jeez, how much little brother do some have to go straight to NM talking points.

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I'm to old and seen to much to just react without studying all angles first. Things are never as bad or as good as they seem.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

This is starting to resemble Stans' last few years as HC at State. There is some behind the scenes turmoil that folks must not be discussing or something similar.

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Most of us have concluded that Dan does not want to be here. Based on his job inquires. The assistants might think.....why should they hang around? Get out while the getting is good. I hope that's not the case.

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Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs

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It's not that hard to figure out dude. Would you hire a stock trader who was under active public investigation by the SEC?


Edited to say this was for shotguns post, not yours.

Maybe turner was upset about us hiring an outside DC.

Hey preacher, how about Ed O as co-DC**

Calling it now -- Tosh Lupoi to State. Coached DL with Sirmon at Washington and is current outside linebackers coach at Bama @ $425k. Every bit the recruiter that Ogre is. Pay him $500k, make him co-DC, and let's churn this milk into butter.

If nothing else, I am glad he got Simmons before he left. At least he didn't screw us over like Townsend did right before signing day. We now have a little while to hire someone before spring training.

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Originally Posted by Big4Dawg

Wtf is wrong with our program. We lost every single coach from the defensive staff.

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I tried to warn you.

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Originally Posted by engie

Calling it now -- Tosh Lupoi to State. Coached DL with Sirmon at Washington and is current outside linebackers coach at Bama @ $425k. Every bit the recruiter that Ogre is. Pay him $500k, make him co-DC, and let's churn this milk into butter.

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By far the best post in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

I think it's a good thing. Maybe we will get guys who will plan for games better. It's not like our defenses hasn't given up a lot of yard the past few years. Ole Miss shamed our defensive staff last year. They all should have been fired anyways for the shit show they planed.

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So the guy that kinda saved our awful recruiting class is leaving and it's a good thing? Don't be that guy.

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Originally Posted by engie

Calling it now -- Tosh Lupoi to State. Coached DL with Sirmon at Washington and is current outside linebackers coach at Bama @ $425k. Every bit the recruiter that Ogre is. Pay him $500k, make him co-DC, and let's churn this milk into butter.

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Sounds like a great get. We have a few guys to recruit MS, it would be great to get some more recruiters to broaden our recruiting areas.

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Originally Posted by engie

Calling it now -- Tosh Lupoi to State. Coached DL with Sirmon at Washington and is current outside linebackers coach at Bama @ $425k. Every bit the recruiter that Ogre is. Pay him $500k, make him co-DC, and let's churn this milk into butter.

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Would be 100% on board with this. Mullen/Sirmon better make a great hire.

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Originally Posted by engie

Calling it now -- Tosh Lupoi to State. Coached DL with Sirmon at Washington and is current outside linebackers coach at Bama @ $425k. Every bit the recruiter that Ogre is. Pay him $500k, make him co-DC, and let's churn this milk into butter.

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Now there's a rational thought! We have to start learning to spin this stuff ourselves. Everyone else spins it to their advantage, why can't we?

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Originally Posted by state66

This is major red flags on the type of program Mullen is running. Ive never seen a prpgram with this type of attrition.

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Do a little research. Mullen's number as a whole are actually pretty average. Numerous coaches in the SEC have lost more over the last 4 years.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Do a little research. Mullen's number as a whole are actually pretty average. Numerous coaches in the SEC have lost more over the last 4 years.

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This is accurate. It happens, its part of the profession. And its amazing that it only happens to programs that are successful. Wonder why that is?

Assistants that left the coaching staff under Dan Mullin rarely match or find better success at other jobs.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Do a little research. Mullen's number as a whole are actually pretty average. Numerous coaches in the SEC have lost more over the last 4 years.

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Correct, his problem is more with the ones he isn't losing.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Now there's a rational thought! We have to start learning to spin this stuff ourselves. Everyone else spins it to their advantage, why can't we?

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Because we are poor old little brother Mississippi State and our fans don't know how to act any other way. Our fanbase needs to grow a pair, and more importantly, a brain.

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Originally Posted by engie

Calling it now -- Tosh Lupoi to State. Coached DL with Sirmon at Washington and is current outside linebackers coach at Bama @ $425k. Every bit the recruiter that Ogre is. Pay him $500k, make him co-DC, and let's churn this milk into butter.

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THIS. (that's twice today...Engie is on it)

It could be worse. Turner could have left us in January, leaving our DL crootin out to dry.

IIRC, Mullen took some actions a while back to keep coaches from leaving before NSD. So that's a big, big plus.

Why is everyone saying that all of the coaches are just leaving? If you ask me all of them left for a better gig, except Turner, and Manny just wanted to go home.

So many coaches leaving. Gotta stop this shit before it spreads to Hev......

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Originally Posted by DudyDawg

So many coaches leaving. Gotta stop this shit before it spreads to Hev......

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Now this is funny!

A&M has really put together a great staff. Chavis and Turner on D. They just hired an excellent O-line coach. They have recruited very well. I look for them to be very strong the near future.

No positive spin to us losing Turner. He was our best recruiter and probably best coach. It's going to be tough to find a D-line coach at this point. May have to look to a non-Power 5 conference. Thank you Turner for signing Jeff Simmons before you left.

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Originally Posted by DudyDawg

So many coaches leaving. Gotta stop this shit before it spreads to Hev......

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Hev and Knox have been here since the beginning.

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Originally Posted by Dawgface

Most of us have concluded that Dan does not want to be here. Based on his job inquires. The assistants might think.....why should they hang around? Get out while the getting is good. I hope that's not the case.

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And that is why good/great young coaches like T Buck, Sirmon, Linguist decided to come on board so that they could be looking for a job again next year? I don't buy it. As someone said above, a "clean break" may be just what the doctor ordered. I think Mullen has recommitted and is retooling his entire organization. The hate for some of the offensive coaches is just internet rumor and innuendo, and we may even see some changes there. However, our offense has been in the top quartile of the conference the last several years, so I don't know that a lot of changes are necessary there.

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Originally Posted by DudyDawg

So many coaches leaving. Gotta stop this shit before it spreads to Hev......

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It's funny and sad that, at this point right now, Gonzo is the only assistant remaining that I'd hate to lose...

Until Dan stops being a Yankee and also stops meddling with and tinkering with the defense, we will continue to see this. Honestly, please raise your hand if you'd want to work for someone who knows little about what you do but constantly tries to tell you how you could do your job better. And on f*cking top of that he will not get rid of one of your colleagues who absolutely sucks and covers an area which the head boss has the most experience? Jesus some of you throw logic and perspective out the windows when you put on your maroon glasses. Wake up. This comes from the mismanagement at the top.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Hev and Knox have been here since the beginning.

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And Sallach...

It's so obvious that these coaches are sick and tired of working for Mullen, except his good friends (Sallach, Hev and Gonzo) and then you have Knox who know one seems to want.

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Originally Posted by BHildreth3

It's so obvious that these coaches are sick and tired of working for Mullen, except his good friends (Sallach, Hev and Gonzo) and then you have Knox who know one seems to want.

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If you are going to tote water for UNM, at least throw in the obligatory **YANKEE!!!11!!!**

Nobody changes DC's like we do- nobody. So all this "other schools have more turnover is BS"...our defensive turnover has been ridiculous. Mullen's boys staying are the only reason the numbers seem decent

Turner leaving has everything to do with Mullen. The cold hard fact is Turner is willing to risk working for a coach who is on the hot seat than work another day for Dan. It's that simple. It's no secret that Mullen treats the defensive staff like crap. Here's proof that Mullen has a management problem (understatement of the year). Every single coach on staff in the last year with even the slightest marketability has left. The only ones left are Dans boys Hev, Gonzo, and Sallach. Gonzo is the only one who deserves a job out of those three.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Hev and Knox have been here since the beginning.

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And that's mind blowing. We lose all these guys, but Hev continues to fail and stay