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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
On ESPNs Pony Excess, didn't somebody say that the NCAA will never issue the death penalty because of how long SMU has been affected. May have just been somebody speculating.
The eventual outcome from the SMU Death Penalty was the breakup of the Southwest Conference. No one wants the same thing with the SEC. If Ole Miss were given the death penalty, they would be forced out of the conference and a replacement found. Scheduling would be disrupted, revenue would be disrupted, and State would be the only Mississippi SEC school (which would be absolutely not allowable by the state political establishment, currently dominated by Ole Miss alumni).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgbite
My gut says that is a bit more than they'll get for football for two reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
The investigation is about more than football for the ncaa and freeze probably cant be proven to be complicit.
Will they have to return those championship bowl rings? ****Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
What can I say...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRef
Not the Peach Bowl rings though.Quote:
Originally Posted by notsofarawaydawg
You know om want be able to resist. They'll be repeat offenders in 2 years.
I highly doubt they would be kicked out of the league for a one year death penalty (and there will for sure NEVER be a death penalty handed down for longer than one year if there ever is another one at all). Like us, they are charter members and there are too many decades of history to make a rash decision like that because of a one year interruption. Chances are they would just go to a 7 game conference schedule for the West and two East teams that had OM on the schedule for one year and use the extra weekend as either an open date or additional nonconference game (each team could choose). Wouldn't exactly be fair for the East teams, but its a one year deal and it could be managed.Quote:
Originally Posted by BulldogBacker
If they lose 20-30 schollies over 3-4 years it doesn't matter if a bowl ban is officially there or not. They won't make one anyway. This league is kind of difficult to get to Atlanta with a full, bought squad. Isn't it OM fans....
lol. i still say some of you are somewhat delusional with regards to the repercussions likely to come out of this...show causes fro freeze...death penalties... guys check your expectations, please
Exactly.. With each class they will have to hit on 3/4 of playersthey sign, they will have to get walkons that produce, and pray that attrition doesn't hit hard..Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
Why does this bother you??. I'm sure most aren't serious about thinking they get the the SMU penalties.. But a show clause and a USCw type sanctions are very possible..Quote:
Originally Posted by RC3
What's funny is, Ole Miss lawyers are about to have to go where they're worst....Court. They're great at threatening and wording things for the PR game....but they have a shitty law school, so they're about to have to put that 3rd tier law degree to the actual test.
because it makes the fanbase i am associated with, look like a bunch of fringe nutjobs....people are serious when they are mentioning show causes and 30 plus scholarship reductions.. releasing players from their NOIs. I would bet every penny I have that nothing that severe is going to come from this.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
Honestly, the build up to the hammer dropping is part of their punishment. Like it was u s. They can't control the spin now. Even if everything they say in their defense is true, this process is damaging them. The rumors are going to eat at their fanbase and boosters like the JWS stuff did us. Our AD at the time was clueless, appears theirs is as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by RC3
Penalties will sting but enjoy the process. In fact remember what this was like for us as we saw how inept our AD had been to let it happen multiple times on his watch. LT has always been my villain regarding our last probation. He didn't fight for us. Bjork is a General finding out he has only been given a ceremonial guard to wage battle with. They have messaging, smoke, mirrors, but not an escape route.
i can see your point here. the dark cloud and speculation can cause them harm as well, so might as well join in the fun. I heard the entire staff is about to be let goQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawgowar
There you go ... Didn't that feel good...Quote:
Originally Posted by RC3
Welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by RC3
lol. i mean realistically i doubt the entire staff will be let go. probably just freeze, kiffin and womack. but ironically, it may save their careers, because its going to be tough to win with scholarships crippled by 30 over the next two yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by mic
eta: in all seriousness, i have done my part in trolling the bears hard on public media by patronizing them left and right. they are melty for sure
Well, as I said- the guy aint been wrong yet. USC-style probation and working hard for a Freeze show causeQuote:
Originally Posted by RC3
WMD's Take:
I think a LOIC charge and a show cause are inevitable. Just read the tea leaves. Texas fired a coach because the NCAA had "damning" evidence. Northern Miss fired their RC yesterday. The track & WBB HCs have both been fired. There are rumors of track funneling scholarship money to football. Saunders has received an EIGHT YEAR show cause. It's already known the Bears lied about the severity of this NOA - 14 of the 28 allegations involve football and 9 of those involve the current staff. The academic fraud charges are still coming. The NCAA supposedly has a burner phone Northern Miss gave to a croot from the 2016 class. And the coup de grace, so far as I'm concerned - The NCAA still has an ongoing football only investigation into the current staff for post-2013 violations.
The NCAA is playing hardball and is going for the throat. This is an institutionalised, organized cheating scandal like we haven't seen in many, many years. I just don't see how the Bears can avoid LOIC and Freeze can avoid a show cause. The NCAA isn't a court and can do what they want, so I don't understand what C34 means when he says they don't think they can get it done with him. Seems to me all they'd need to do is levy the show cause. Maybe he can explain why that isn't the case. IT is here and IT is glorious.
I have no inside info and do not pretend to have any source. That being said, it appears as though SR and or C34 have sources and thus far, said sources appear to be reliable. Will, in the end, Ole Miss lose 30 scholarships and Freeze be branded with the Scarlet Letter? That is not known yet but, based on the volume of smoke on the horizon, we do know it is a distinct possibility. Further, and this gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling, any Ole Miss fan with an IQ at or above room temperature, knows too that very harsh sanctions are possible. Oh, they will not admit it, but they are running scared.
So, sit back, relax and enjoy the show.
Were there firing this soon after the NOA in the USCw case? This might be too much even for the precedents established there.
This is what I would love to see...Quote:
Originally Posted by RC3
Think of how fun it will be if all of this drags on through summer. They only have 8 or 9 returning starters. They are thin on the OL. The weight of all of this will be a distraction. OM starts off with a tough schedule, FSU, Wofford, Bama, UGA - expecting true freshman to contribute. They can easily be 1-3 before October 1 - 1-4 if Memphis can repeat last year. Then the wheels start to fall off with another let down on the road against UPig, setting up an away loss at LSU and a home spanking by AU. They think they will have some relief against Georgia Southern, but the Eagles bring some of the magic of Beautiful Eagle Creek and beat another SEC team on the road. At 1-8 or 2-7, the Freeze firing squad will be primed for the kill. Then they have to go on the road again to A&M and to Vandy (their nemesis). OM will be begging for show causes to save them from that whole staff. We could roll into Thanskgiving looking at an utterly dejected team - still waiting on sanctions. Then our NCAA friends drop the hammer Egg Bowl week - and we ride into Oxford and roll them like a drunk in the Grove.
An LOIC would have been in the original letter, which would have forced OM to release the NCAA's NOA. This is why Bjork said the investigation is over.... because he's only received that NOA. What to watch here is why the OM administration is lying to its own media (such as the OM Spirit). Lying to a publication service that is 100% dedicated to your administration defines a serious issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
I always find it laughable that the NCAA says, if it even does, that they won't give the death penalty again because of what happened to SMU. Southern Methodist's long recovery was due to three factors not just the NCAA death penalty. In the early 1990s we not only had the demise of the Southwest Conference, but also the paradigm shift, which lasted a couple of decades, of power in collegiate football from private schools to public schools more or less completed about the same time. Of course there are exceptions like Southern California and Notre Dame. It is these three things that combined that made it take Southern Methodist so long to recover. I believe the NCAA is giving itself too much credit, and therefore I don't believe that the fate of SMU is a good enough reason not to meet out the death penalty again to someone.
How many times do I have to say it? The death penalty is NOT off the table. Please someone show me the statement that you are getting this info from. The NCAA has used the death penalty on several occasion since SMU. And if you think that it can't do it at the D1 level then the D2 and D3 programs could sue the entire system easily and win.
Has IYK provided any thoughts lately?
Why would LOIC force a release? Never heard that one before.Quote:
Originally Posted by defiantdog
Okay - here is the for what it is worth Wikipedia NCAA Death Penalty page -
Interesting that Kentucky Basketball received it in the 50's.
Also, the way the NCAA choke SMU football of all revenues would be near insurmountable in this day and age.
Note they speak of the Baylor Men's BBALL case and how the school avoided the Death Penalty
"The violations in the present matter [Baylor] are as serious as those committed in the case referenced above [SMU]. However, in contrast to that case, once the violations finally came to light Baylor University took decisive and meaningful action to stop the violations and to punish itself and the involved individuals, including replacing the entire men's basketball coaching staff, implementing a postseason ban, forfeiting conference tournament revenue and reducing official paid visits, recruiting opportunities and scholarships....The university and several of the involved individuals exhibited genuine remorse and demonstrated total cooperation with the NCAA in developing the facts of this case.[23]"
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty_(NCAA)
This penalty is NOT restricted to recruiting/inducements.
I plan to plead tempory insanity. Surely there is an OM ambulance chaser I can hire to defend me.Quote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
I put in a request for Anchor's Old Foghorn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgface
Thank you for doing the research. Now can we stop saying that the death penalty is out of the question? It's just that no program has been stupid and brazen enough to continue cheating while under investigation...until now! "Pattern of willful violations" = Death PenaltyQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawgowar
I don't see any type of legal mandate, either to force a release. Never heard of that one either.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
It won't be anything near this severe, I don't think, but we can hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
2 year bowl ban, probably 7-10 schollys a year and at least a couple of show causes is what I'm betting on.
This is based on just the first letter without the addendum(s).
I'll be happy with whatever if it runs Freeze's pious a$$ out of Oxford. Anything less than that and I will be disappointed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg496
Probably the wrong thread for this but I thought it was amusing. I attended a gathering today and of course the talk WAS UNM and the NCAA. The range of acceptance and denial is amazing. From "Hope we have a team (left) to play y'all next year" to "Everybody cheats" to "I don't believe they did all that".......one thing for sure their fanbase ....the ones that attended....the ones that ONLY attended a professional school and of course those that HAVENT BEEN THERE.......it is on their mind a psyche....they CAN NOT believe what is going on.....They had reason (and good If they continued with the level of talent they were getting) to believe they were finally getting to Atlanta and NC.....and now......misery and fear...