Actually, Rosebowl said there were going to be 2 before the first one ever came out. I heard this the week before Christmas. He just never speculated on a date that the second one would come out.Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDawg
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Actually, Rosebowl said there were going to be 2 before the first one ever came out. I heard this the week before Christmas. He just never speculated on a date that the second one would come out.Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDawg
Despite the chance that I might be agreeing with a troll here, I have to say this worries me as well. To anyone that doesn't have any type of inside knowledge of what is going on with these investigations, the whole notion of a 2nd letter, and the unprecedented-ness of it, just sounds like our side hedging their bets that the letter/investigation out there right now really is as the bears are characterizing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDawg
Do I smell bear shit?
Yes you do...
The inconsistency that I see is this: Bjork and company have claimed that the 5-10 football allegations in this first letter include Tunsil's issues. Why would those allegations be in a pre-2013 NOA and not in the upcoming post-2013 NOA?
I hope you guys are right about the damning second letter, especially if this new information is correct. Had some friends at work ask me last week how happy I was to see TSUN receive an NOA. I told them they haven't seen anything yet, just wait for round 2.
Research the UNC issue. The NCAA got notice that there were other issues and still gave UNC a slight pop while they continued to investigate.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadDawg
The NCAA has done this before. With Tenn recently. As they were filing the NOA on Pearl they uncovered football violations. They decided to handle it seperately instead of combining the two. Although it was a clearer case of seperation.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadDawg
I don't think so. I believe the second NOA is more recent allegations from basically a separate investigation. The first has more to do with older allegations whereas the second one focuses on allegations the Tunsil incident and other recent incidents uncovered, and I wonder if this whole restructuring of NCAA penalties has something to do with it, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadDawg
I smell bear shit. Anyone else???Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDawg
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Yes, he has.Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDawg
ETA - Also, regarding the NOA that they have already received, he is saying that he expects around 12 of the 30 allegations to be football related.
Smells like roses from Hugh's ass to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
I haven't heard the 13 number. I could see how he could say "up to 13 or so" but I anticipate 5-10 being football related in the first letter and only one of them being related to Tunsil under the current staff. The 2nd letter I would anticipate being completely football and all under the current staff. It's my opinion that the first one will be bad and the second one will be much, much worse. How anyone could construe this as "good news for the Bears" is beyond me. That's some Yancy level spinning there.
NBC Sports as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports...f-allegations/
I am the resistance and looks like the portal at UNMs football stadium will soon be white/grey and neutralized.Quote:
Originally Posted by JDog13
There could possibly be more than 2. I personally know of 3 recent signees that other programs have turned in information to the NCAA regarding last week's class. There is no way possible the NCAA is able to look into this year's accusations to include in 2nd letter. These letters may just become the norm for them if they keep flipping the NCAA the bird.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
I don't know when the time table for "repeat offender" starts but I imagine it would be after probation is handed down. However, the potential for "pattern of willful violations" would seemingly be squarely in play with 2 NOA's. If they get popped for this year's class too, it would be the most epic failure in the history of college recruiting scandals.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
Rezdogs shits gittin old
As well as the AP....Quote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
So every major news outlet across the country is reporting this except the CL while confed nation continues to deny it? Laughable but it also has some type of creepy side to it as well. Tsun is a strange bunch.
Rosebowl had a great podcast today where he talked about some of this. http://www.bulldogsportsradio.com/ep...-day-rankings/
CLIFF NOTES?Quote:
Originally Posted by MSUDawg99
Since all the rebels are here getting their news regarding their NCAA NOA from the most accurate and trusted OM news source, Elitedawgs, I would just like to say welcome and CLICK AN AD!!!!
If everyone gets a show cause, Ole Miss has no choice but to fire him. We they could still pay him, but he couldn't coach.
The real H-bomb would be to show cause everyone. Coaches, and AD's
That would potentially be worse than the death penalty. I suppose since a former AD was involved that wouldn't necessarily be off the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by SheltonChoked
The problem with the whole second letter theory is the fact that the Tunsil violations would not have been included on the original NOA if there was a 2nd NOA coming. That wouldn't make sense.
Why? There's rumored to be plenty more for a second NOA. The fact that the investigation is ongoing tells you there's more. If they were done and no more charges pending then Th investigation would not be ongoing. There's still this entire recruiting class to wade through plus the kimcheech stuff.
At least if the letters are separated by the dates of the violations. That's my biggest problem with the 2nd letter rumors; there is no obvious separation of the allegations since both Tunsil and Saunders seem to be mentioned in this first NOA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Where'sWaldo
every article now says the investigation is still ongoing. If it was over- it would say so and is just waiting on the OM response to the allegations.
If there is still an ongoing investigation, as has been indicated and appears obviously there is one, and if the Tunsil's investigation has been completed, then why couldn't his violations be in the first NOA?Quote:
Originally Posted by Where'sWaldo
I completely agree that the investigation is ongoing. The question isn't whether they are still investigating TSUN, it's whether they already have material that will be part of a 2nd letter (and apparently purposely part of a 2nd letter instead of included in the first NOA). If they have proof of additional allegations, rather than simply still investigating to look for more, why are they waiting to release the info in a 2nd letter? The prevailing theories dealt with the NCAA rules change on how much the staff is to blame (aka, pre- and post-2013 or whenever) or the separation of academic vs other violations, but since Saunders and Tunsil are supposedly mentioned in this first NOA, neither seem like a satisfactory argument.
Y'all have to understand that Tunsil, and Hampton for that matter which should be also included at the same time, are eligibility issues of players already on the team. Those violations are different than actual staff violations which also have different guidlines now. So a separate investigation could overlap the years if the second investigation is centering around the staff and rouge boosters with violations concerning impermissible benefits for recruiting. That would be under the newer guidlines that puts much more emphasis on the head coach controlling the program. Show cause along with LOIC would surround that program with a black cloud.