[QUOTE=Thick;462555]I'm sure he's sincere about his want to win them. it's just easier said than done in the sec west. I'm ever hopeful each year tho.. it's what we do right? and he did talk about it - watch relentless. "our goals are still attainable sec west etc" after its out of reach yea.. I doubt he brings it up in passingQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyQuid
8-4 after 10-2 with a bowl game and some think we're in the beginning of a decline. I ****ing love us
THIS!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Thick
I could care less if he " wants out" or any of that. I do care that our OL is unbelievably bad and our recruiting is lacking to be kind. I've never heard of a team giving up 10 sacks on a game... Ever.
Our recruiting has to get better, specifically on the OL. You can live with crappy RBs but we can't make it without a good OL.
Did you really just say that the west coaches are glad to see rumors of Dan leaving???? Why? They own his ass. Saban, Miles, Freeze, and Sumerlin love Dan. In the last 4 years, Dan has owned AR and done well vs AU, but the others he has 1 win vs OM, LSU, and aTm. Of course, he has never beaten Saban. Again, they don't care if he stays or goes.
good post (except the laugh it off part) ... both Bama and OM were quite simply put - better teams than we were this year .... may not necessarily be the case next yearQuote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Thick is OK ... he, like a few more here are still in meltdown mode ... yeah, players, coaches, & fans do care and you dont rise to #1 in the country in 5 weeks with out winning a few big games .... Thick- start using more rationale and less emotionQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyQuid
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Originally Posted by JohnnyQuid
some people like to stir shit--it creates lots of activity on their message board. How about "100%" gone--total bullshit.
Rational discussion and less emotion is good, and your comment about being #1 provoked a thought. Being rational, can we agree that when we got to #1 this team lost some fire it has never regained? Even with the OL holes, running game issues, etc. this team has just seemed off since last year. We went in to Tuscaloosa, got whipped and never really recovered from that game. I don't think the program has ever gotten back to form. We've seen flashes of good play, but not a game of consistently playing with intensity and fire for 4 quarters. Even our USM game this year seemed flat - I don't understand how that happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
This is not a "fire Dan" comment, far from it. Just a thought that this team may not have underachieved on paper based on stars, talent, health, etc... but it does seem to me that our energy level was flat all year and that could have been the missing piece for winning another game or two. Arkansas was the only game that came close and even then we almost gave that one away. Something to think about for finishing out this season and heading into '16.
I have no doubt that what you say is correct,and suspected it all along. Some of my beloved Bulldog brothers need to stop this madness every year. They never learn
I like this theory -- it's similar to the group of players that got to Omaha and then suddenly lost that competitive edge and drive to win. Too much patting on the back perhaps. In the case of baseball and football, thank goodness there are a lot of talented younger players that are ready to prove their worth to the programQuote:
Originally Posted by randyholloway
First, I'm not mad. Second, I'm just making a few points based on facts and results. This year the West was pretty average at best. Bama is the only really good team, but OM beat them on the road. We got killed at home. That's result based fact. We got manhandled in the Egg, that's not emotion. That's result based facts. I'm sorry that my opinions don't flow with the status quo, but from this point forward, staff management and recruiting will dictate where Dan's head is moving forward. Next year could get real ugly depending on draft eligible juniors that jump. That's not emotion guys, that's fact.
Would be awesome if this were real...Quote:
Originally Posted by joedog
Brahma bull hit it squarely in the nose. Cadaver's post is spin after the fact. Nobody has to "tell" their agent they are willing to listen to a top job. Mullen's name has been out there every year for a job. This year was much different. Stop being morons.
preach it Fullback!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Thick
the west is bowl eligible across the board. not many divisions can say that and I doubt anybody would wanna play any of the bottom half in 2nd half of season. facts also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thick
bama whipped us. no doubt. we couldn't match up. om didn't manhandle us, we made mistakes they capitalized. wish we'd played better but no. we played a decent 2nd half (24-10 ish) did om let off the gas? I really doubt it. could be tho. still.
and yes, I'm with ya. staff management and getting the types of guys we need, in here.I think next year will be a decent year.. no inside info. just my gut.
eta: i saw where online our center played 1 oline position for the game. the rest were mixed and matched. our oline was a mess, IT got manhandled if anything.
Coach your sources have had a tough year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Coaches?Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyQuid
Has anyone considered that Rev, Frozen beat Alabama and LSU in the same year and still did not make it to Atlanta? How unhappy should the reb/bears be with that?
I think the biggest thing to worry about when you start paying coaches what they are making is complacency. There are only a handful of coaches that can keep the same drive as they always have no matter how much money they make or how famous they are. Coaches are human beings and naturally want to enjoy the spoils of their work. Hell, if you paid me $4M a year to coach I would leave after one year and be on a boat with no cell service. I'm not saying that Mullen is complacent because I don't know what's in his heart or in his head but if I were to guess I would lean to the opinion that he has gotten a little complacent. I have no doubt that his drive to win is as great as it ever was on game day but I don't know if it is the same on Tuesday morning. As I said, that would be a natural progression in most humans. I would like to see Mullen hit the recruiting trail hard and really push our guys to win our bowl game so we get to 9 wins.
I'm not arrogant enough to say Dan Mullen owes me anything. I'm just a lowly Bulldog fan trying to enjoy life. I'll probably feel better about everything in a few days but I think right now my hangover from Saturday is still lingering.
Look I don't want dan to go but this is just stupid. Did you even watch the game???Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyQuid
I was at the game. we played utter shit in the first half. we turned it over. ok manhandled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duckdog
do u think we were manhandled the 2nd half? honest question
Maybe I haven't paid as much attention until this year but that was the most emotional Senior Day Ceremony that I can ever remember. I think everyone noticed and it has been pointed out elsewhere but while the OM players were hyped jumping up and down at midfield taunting our players, our guys were crying and hugging each other. Not saying that necessarily had anything to do with the outcome but it was interesting to see the two dynamics.
With that being said, Dak came out looking for blood. He ran over #31 and pinned his helmet with his own into the turf. He then tried to run over him again instead of sidestepping him in open field and he fumbled. I think he let his emotions get the best of him which is something he struggled with early in his career, even some last year. That is one of the biggest areas he improved upon this year.
that fumble changed the complexion of the entire game. we're driving and instead of 3-0 or 7-0 they score in a couple plays and we panic a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowboydawg
just my opinion.
No, the Freeze thing is not really overblown at this point. Its 3 blowout wins for Freeze and 1 overtime win for Mullen. If Dan's 3 losses to Freeze had been competitive I might look at it differently but right now Freeze looks like a MUCH better coach based on the head to head meetings.Quote:
Originally Posted by randyholloway
True, but this MSU team had 2 major flaws for most of the year, a bad OL and a defense that was clueless in the first quarter, and both were vividly evident this past Saturday. A bad OL was made even worse by Warren not being able to play and apparently Senior being marginal as well. Yes, Dak's fumble was big BUT it was on the OM side of the field. Our defense gave up a 60 yard drive for a TD which is just not getting it done when could have just made a stop or forced a turnover themselves (boy, isn't that a novel idea). Its not like we fumbled on our own 20. Our D had no clue how to stop OM in the first quarter and this has seemingly been our situation for most games. So after our D gave up our customary 14 first quarter points it WAS a nail in the coffin that Dak threw the pick 6 because it was all over at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyQuid
And our win was with the 3rd string QB playing most of the game. Lots of ways to slice this one. I hate losing to OM worse than you do (ask my wife!!!), but let's not get stupid when it comes to math. 1 - 3 is one game off of .500, that's just what it is. Don't go full retard and say it isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
The game I'm not over is the Texas A&M game. That's the game that hurt us.
you're right but thats just who we were all year. I felt this game was a MUST to get on top and after the dak fumbled it snowballed into a horrible half .Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
What isn't getting talked about though is that when freezus took over the bears in 2011 that team didn't have a single senior drafted until Golson. We were light years ahead of the bears at the end of the 2011 season. The fact that he has not only caught up, but now passed us, is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by randyholloway
How so? Finebaum, 247, Foxsports, and others started saying the same thing I did after the factQuote:
Originally Posted by YazooDawg23
Sources said he was talking to Georgia 4 weeks ago- we see why now.
They have been pretty good.
if we get a&m 2 weeks later they're in chaos. still the game was about an aeries fumble inside the 10 and maybe another turnover?idk. never felt like we were in that game despite score being somewhat closeQuote:
Originally Posted by Original48
I agree. He didn't seem overly bent out of shape about losing the game. He also laughed about our losing the onsides kick. I like the Emory Bellard type that got mad as hell after we lost. Too bad Bellard didn't recruit or he could have stayed a lot longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubb Rubb
I don't think they know much more than the average joe. throw shit hope it sticks kinda thing. viewers calls etc. they haven't been very good this year yetQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
By far our worst game of the year. We were pretty healthy overall and never found any kind of rhythm offensively. No excuse for losing that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Original48
Bingo. That...and some can't admit that OM was just better than us this year and want to excuse the loss like a 10 year old.... "I lost? Oh yeah, I wasn't even trying."Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
"Dansbury".Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
But WE'RE being morons. Gotcha.
I have a real ?. how is a post spin when it's simply advising to think for yourself? that escapes meQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Exactly, and the way his team played is an even bigger concern. If he can't get the players motivated for big games like Bama and UMiss, then some changes need to be made somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by randyholloway
didn't see this before but if we play/coached uninspired in the bowl game I'll begin to worry a hair. that being said I think we got kick someone's ass. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by randyholloway
WORD... Imagine a 1983 Monte Carlo with pretty mags, chrome headers, etc. with Dale Earnhardt driving it... it's still a 1983 Monte Carlo... I think Dan knew what he had this year and just said **** it, if we win we win, if not, WTH... 8-4 and a decent bowl game is still better than the past. Now how do you fix it with what we have to choose from, without buying players like UNM does.. That is the crux of the biscuit...(zappa)Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
What you guys seem to forget, is that even though we aren't "poorol'missippistate", we are still Mississippi State. And that's still a big ass hole to climb out of, given our circumstances...
In the Freeze vs. Mullen clashes we have been blown off the field 3 games and won 1 game that was actually tied at the end of regulation. That's not "going full retard". Its just as much fact as 1-3 is 1 game off of .500 is fact. Yea, lots of ways to slice it, OM blew us away last year with a Bo Wallace that could barely move.Quote:
Originally Posted by randyholloway