Don't put yourself in a situation where you might get your ass beat by a cop and you won't get your ass beat by a cop. ****ing morons.
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Don't put yourself in a situation where you might get your ass beat by a cop and you won't get your ass beat by a cop. ****ing morons.
And to all you females out there: if you don't want to get raped, don't wear sexy outfits. You'll just be asking for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
- Sincerely, I seen it dawg
Don't be a moron. Comparing the 2 is stupid. So how many times have you been minding your own business walking thru the parking lot at a grocery store and had your ass beat by a cop with no provocation?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Now compare that to times women have been abducted in grocery store parking lots and raped..by criminals.
Yeah makes sense. ****ing stupid.
So that includes going to football games now?Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
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Originally Posted by BoomBoom
I go to football games all the time, and drink at them, and have never been approached by any type of law enforcement. Ever. I guess I'm just lucky.....or not a ****ing moron.
That's not really a practical approach. It sucks, but cops are allowed to make mistakes when arresting people. Giving everybody that's innocent a right to resist an officer acting in good faith would make it impractical to police. The guy should have gone with the cop as ridiculous as that seems at first thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by RC3
The guy did do everybody else a huge favor because the cop clearly doesn't have the right temperament to be a cop, and had he not passively resisted, the cop would be able to continue with lesser abuses.
Just using your logic, genius.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
What situations are there where getting your ass beat by a cop is justified? Is be drunk and rowdy, amidst a bunch of other drunk and rowdy people warrant enough to get beat down by a rent-o-cop on a power trip? Seriously? Is just being guilty of being stupid justification for getting sent to the hospital?
Yeah, but the problem is current practice doesnt give a normal law-abiding person time to comprehend that they are being arrested. I dont break the law unless it is by accident, so if a cop says he's arresting me my unavoidable initial reaction is going to be "wait what?". That should not be grounds for resisting arrest and a forceful takedown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
I agree, but what I saw was beyond what I would classify as necessary. Retaliation is not a "necessary" reaction. There were other cops there too. This guy wasn't the incredible hulk.Quote:
Originally Posted by solodawg
I realize now that you are sympathetic toward the police since you worked with them, so I'm sure it is quite difficult for you to see it from both sides, but from an outsider looking in, it's just straight up brutal and abuse.
How in the hell do you blame the president for people without weapons being killed by those that do? Retirement was the best thing you could have done.Quote:
Originally Posted by solodawg
It shouldn't and legally isn't (although as a practical matter cops will use it as grounds) but that's not what happened here. It looked like this guy had plenty of time to understand that the police were at least asking him to leave the premises. The policeman flipped out and there's nothing in the video to justify his actions, but had the policeman proceeded in a lawful manner, you would have had a situation where (taking the civilian at his word) a policeman was trying to arrest (or maybe just kickout) a fan for something they didn't do. Him refusing to come with the cops and/or resisting being handcuffed would be resisting arrest, and him being innocent wouldn't provide a legal justification for the resistance. You would hope if there was non-violent resistance and it was determined he was innocent that no DA would actually pursue resisting arrest charges, although there are probably plenty of them that would.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Unless there was something missed by the video, the policeman flipped out for no reason, but had the policeman proceeded in a non-crazy manner to try to handcuff the guy and escort him out, continued resistance would have been
You're an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
No one should be beaten that badly for being an Ole Miss fan. That should have been toned down 30% or so.
Seriously I expect he will pocket around 300 grand if didn't swing at the officers (with $160K for some jumped-up slip and fall shyster) or if he was clearly struck after being restrained.
Cops hitting restrained and unresisting civilians should be fired and imprisoned for assault.... a few gen pop beatdowns will enlighten their thinking.
And probably visits nursing homes and orphanages on a regular basis. I'm not taking the police or guy's side. But......it's obvious to me that the video that shows the punches was started after the initial event that caused the police to be called. Things must have started heating up for folks to pull out their phones to video the incident. The officer was definitely wrong for punching him. However, without all of the facts, I would hate to start a campaign to crucify the cops. The guy was clearly resisting the officer's commands to leave the stands. I guess the officers could have pepper sprayed everyone within 5 rows or maybe tasered him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach
You are creating the events leading up to the video. Anybody can create a fantastic fantasy. When we know what exactly happened, then we can make an informed opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
I think he is speaking more generally to how a person would react.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach
E.g., for whatever reason, a cop grabs you by the wrist, and your natural reaction is to pull away (especially if you feel you've done no crime), but now you're "resisting arrest", and are swiftly awarded a beat down.
- not saying that is what happened here.
A lot of recent issues with cops working outside of their normal jurisdictions.
we have all the facts here. The guy was obviously arguing with them and even has hat had on backwards and moves his face towards the cops arguing his point. I learned a long time ago when approached by an officer it's best to be polite and cooperate and when you have the "right to remain silent", it's prolly smart to do just that.
I'm on the outside looking in. And I'm seeing it differently. It's just like the girl in the desk in SC. Everybody wanted the cop lynched. Turns out, the student would not listen to the teacher, refused to listen to the admin, and as a last resort the officer was called in. All we saw was the game down.Quote:
Originally Posted by sleepy dawg
So again, we know little about this. We do know something happened that the police was called to the area. We do know the wife stated that something happened and ole miss fans 2 rows above blamed him. That's all we know
Obviously... People around had time to pull out their phone. So it wasn't the cop just walked up and grab him an started punching.
Now if the guy did nothing to the cop, then we got an issue.
You brought in rape genius. Until I see where somebody at random gets pulled and the shit beaten out of them by a cop I'm not gonna believe that that person didn't provoke it (meaning jerk away, mouth off, etc) in some kind of way.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
We know that a situation can escalate where some asshole cop goes overboard. Those cops should go to jail in gen pop with a tag on the back that says I'm a cop. Don't put yourself in a situation where that cop is going to have to grab you. I don't know how it's so hard to understand but then again it is you I'm arguing with.
I wish I were more surprised at the people defending rent-a-cops inflicting that level of injury on a fellow citizen at a football game. The one blaming the president was especially nice.
Guys, its just an Ole Miss fan. He probably deserved a swift kick in the nuts to go along with that shiner****
I want to know what the blonde lady 3-4 seats past him was saying as she was giving him the finger wag.
No. You make it sound like this is the norm. It isn't. And most appreciate cops and don't hate them.
oh, I'm gonna...Quote:
Originally Posted by sleepy dawg
In addition to that, I'm going to be overly compliant when interacting with a man that has a badge, nightstick, taser, a gun, and a radio to call more people with badges, nightsticks, tasers, and guns...
Absolutely. There is another side to this story circulating the guy was resisting and spit in the cops face. That becomes assualt and more than worthy of getting a beat down.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
I haven't had many encounters with law enforecment , but the few I have all went very well. It's amazing what "yes sir" "no sir" and being compliant will get you. I've always been courteous and never one time had the hell beat out of me. Never been close, actually.
Let's put it this way:
You can "yes officer, no sir, thank you officer" your way though a non-event,
...or you can become the next Youtube sensation.
999 times out of a thousand, it's entirely up to you.
Well shit Tusk and starkvegasdawg you mean you haven't had the shit beat out of you by a cop for no apparent reason? You mean when encountered by some type of law enforcement official you cooperated fully and no bodily injury happened? That's crazy talk...I guess not being a total ****ing moron can keep you from physical harm. Never would have thought that.
No, I haven't... but by God I deserved it a time or two... thanks to the particular cop(s) involved (and their tolerance), I was spared an ass whoopin'...Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
Most policemen I've encountered usually appreciate kindness, respect and compliance, and I'm really happy to provide them with it...
Sure seems like it would be easier that way.
No kidding on this, had no idea this board was so Ferguson and it's a little disturbing. I thought everyone knew if others call the cops to come get you then it's time to say "yes sir" and just go.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlmostPositive
Public drunk is much better than public drunk plus an orbital eye.
No idea what is going on here, but someone just earned enough money to retire on. Looks like a fine boy in blue just earned himself a new career.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach
I read an article on reddit about the situations that law enforcement officers find themselves in are lose lose situations. Regaurdless of what happened prior to this video starting, that guy showed zero threat to the 4 officers and should not have been met with violence. At the same time, the cops could not allow someone to stay in the stands if they have been flagged, because the situation would have escalated. Lose lose situation.
I think the alternative responses have come about mostly do to a generational/social shift with mamas, daddies, and subsequently, their younguns... combined with (completely understandable) mistrust of the gov't and hyper media coverage tools in everyone's pocket...
I guess this is just a fundamental difference of opinion on what should be allowed. Hearing that the a young girl sitting in a school classroom where she is required to be, and not listening to the teacher and "admin" are not reasons for a cop to treat someone like a kid like a ragdoll. What world are you living in where kids (and people in general) can be treated like this for sitting somewhere they were told to go and not touching anybody or threatening anybody. I just can't fathom the mindset of justifying abuse by anyone. At least at the very basis of this conversation, I feel if I'm not being violent or threatening in any way whatsoever, I have the right as a human being to not be beat treated like a baby deer by a tiger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach
And what about laying in jail for 4 hours with zero medical treatment given? Was this just more of the cops defending themselves?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach
I have also always complied with the cops, and probably always will even if I feel I'm not in the wrong because I don't want to be killed or turned into a freak.Quote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
You act like I'm trying to say every single cop is a deranged lunatic. I'm not. There a lot of cops out there, and like most people, most are probably normal people. However, like with any group of people there's also a lot of people that are not good people. There are many out there that will do great harm if they believed they'd get away with it and when there's a possibility of this happening y'all just assume it must be the other guys fault.
There's always going to be 2 stories to every incident no matter who's fault it was. I'm going to side with the beaten/bloodied/dead unless/until there is clear evidence that the amount of force given was required for that persons safety vs. the person that looks like nothing happened to them. The way I read it, you see the opposite.
it's just authoritarianism. if it was logic, then by their reasoning if i'm the daddy of that girl that got abused, then i should get 5 minutes alone with that cop to teach him his lesson. but of course that's not allowed, the cop gets to "make a mistake" with no repercussions, but if you or i make a mistake, we have justified a beatdown.Quote:
Originally Posted by sleepy dawg
whoa, daddio... if you've done your job as a parent, and your "daughter" has done her "job" (being a respectful, productive member of society), this is a non starter...Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
however, if, as you suggest, the kid was just sittin' in a class room and "zoning out" when the Swat Team breeched the classroom door with flashbangs and preceded to whip her "completely compliant" ass, I would be in favor of reallocating entitlement money as "reparations" for her pain & suffering.
oh, and fire the cops, too.
additionally, if I had a loved one that was subject to said ass whipping, through NO FAULT of their own, I'd get that five minutes of which you spoke... regardless.
oh, so you are anti-cop?Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
More likely don't be a ****ing dumbass and do what you are told in school. That's what's school is for that people have forgotten. Follow the damn rules. Kinda gets back to not putting yourself in a position where you will get your ass beat by a cop. How is it so hard to understand? Don't be a jerk asshole, don't get your ass kicked.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom