Aeris

Lee is our best RB.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

What was missed? He asked why Holloway wasn't punished i.e. missing playing time. Holloway has a track record in games, the young backs do not. And how do we know Holloway hasn't had other punishments? And the fact that Williams hasn't lost playing time and has actually increased carries since his fumble at A & M makes it a moot point.

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Williams YPC among other things. And focusing on an essentially same fumble stat.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And Aeris has ONE in 35 attempts- again not enough to warrant "a problem" especially when Williams only had 13 fewer attempts.

A fumble out of bounds in 23 touches also does not indicate "a problem".

My problem with Dan is his use of personnel which had he managed better we would be 8-1 right now.

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Yeah those numbers are a problem. 1 in 23 is not a problem? and you want to give it to him 10-15 times a game? Look I don't think that they will keep having those percentages but that is not good at all for an SEC RB. They will get better but what we don't know, you included is if they are doing it all the time as well. But what we have see, for their career compared to other RB careers on the team, they are the worse. But it hasn't even effected Williams playing time in the sense he has misse games or getting less carries. Williams is getting more reps. Hopefully he continues and the possible fumbling issues are behind him. But as far as a track record that we can see, their numbers are not good so far.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Williams YPC among other things. And focusing on an essentially same fumble stat.

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My reply was to a post that didn't talk about any of that. Just said why was Holloway not punished. That was the part I responded to. Why would the punishment part have anything to do with any of that other?

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Megan, is that you? How was I Seen It in the sack last night after that W?

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Get out of here with that crap. I didn't make any snide remarks or name calling and was respectful to his post and in my counter point.

ETA. I thought you were talking about my response to I Seen It. Point stands debate a piont be forceful is fine but that type of post is crass. No need for that crap.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Get out of here with that crap. I didn't make any snide remarks or name calling and was respectful to his post and in my counter point.

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You continue to defend playing an inept back and defend Dan's choice to play him. That pretty much sums up just about every one of your posts, while tweaking and only bringing up the stats you choose.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

1) I'll call him Dan Walsh until he actually beats Alabama and doesn't play call like a wuss in a big game.

2) And we would be better if he would actually play our best players.

3) I've been right about every personnel decision this year. Suck it.

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So Peters and McLaurin should be starting? That's just two personnel decisions you were advocating. JT Gray has gotten more playing time, like them. Which is what several told you would happen. They were not ready to start. And don't forget when late in the game and Mizzou was driving and we had bad tackles on that long run, who was out there? Not the first string. They came back in in the redzone and shut them out.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

1) I'll call him Dan Walsh until he actually beats Alabama and doesn't play call like a wuss in a big game.

2) And we would be better if he would actually play our best players.

3) I've been right about every personnel decision this year. Suck it.

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1) So the moving goalpost of "success" under Mullen is now beating Bama? I'm sure sucked back when we hadn't beaten a top 25 team ... err, I mean, a team that hasn't finished in the top 25 ... err, whatever random stat can be used to say the he's a bad coach.

2) And yet we currently have the 2nd highest total offensive rankings in the SEC: http://secsports.go.com/statistics/football/team/total
Also, I believe we were number 2 last year as well: http://espn.go.com/college-football/...sec-conference

3) Do tell. What other personnel decisions have you been right about?

Yet he is injured.

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

Lee is our best RB.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

You continue to defend playing an inept back and defend Dan's choice to play him. That pretty much sums up just about every one of your posts, while tweaking and only bringing up the stats you choose.

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Ive said in this thread that Williams was better and getting better. It was a good choice to not play him in a bad situation because of conditions when even Dak and Holloway were having trouble hanging onto the ball. Shump stepped up when asked to protect the ball and once the conditions got better in the second half Williams was the one to help ice the game. In a game when we didn't have to have him out there the whole time. I've also said hopefully he continues to get more touches for the final stretch. But to act like protecting the ball should not be considered is asinine.

Holloway is a warrior... If he was few inches taller and bigger he would be hell... He threw 2 great blocks in that game last night.. One was on the very first play of the game that resulted in Ross gaining 10 instead of losing 5.. The other as in the 3rd on Daks long run, where Bear also made a good down field block.. Holloway gives us all he can every game.. We just have to call on him and use him too much.. And I will question him being one of the faster guys on the team.. He got walked down on that KO return ... I wouldn't have him back there returning kicks.. He gets enough punishment already..would like to see Gray take over that role more...

Shump is a beast on special teams and the little things a RB can do.. If RSFrosh Gibson is good I hope we move Shump to defense during bowl practice and see how he does.. He could really help us out defensively more his final year IMO..

Aries should be our featured back.. He looks the part .. He needs more carries . Take the good with the bad..
But not sure Bama is game to find out.... If we have to throw it 50 times so be it..

I wonder if Lee has more off the field issues than we know about... I do hope him not traveling last night was due to an injury .. But when he has gotten his chances on the field he has looked as good as anyone ... Something just isn't right..

Mic...the sample size is too small but so far against better teams I think Williams is better than Lee. Lee has 7 rushes for 7 yards against A & M and Kentucky. Again it's really too small to say but right now I think Williams may be the better of the two. I hope they continue to push each other for the RB 1 spot as it will make them both better.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Yeah those numbers are a problem. 1 in 23 is not a problem? and you waint to give it to him 10-15 times a game? Look I don't think that they will keep having those percentages but that is not good at all for an SEC RB. They will get better but what we don't know, you included is if they are doing it all the time as well. But what we have see, for their career compared to other RB careers on the team, they are the worse. But it hasn't even effected Williams playing time in the sense he has misse games or getting less carries. Williams is getting more reps. Hopefully he continues and the possible fumbling issues are behind him. But as far as a track record that we can see, their numbers are not good so far.

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It's not a problem because the sample size is small. The more carries he gets the better that number gets. That's where you are trying to skew things.

Everyone sees that they are better except for you and Dan. The whole body of work has to be considered and Lee and Williams though limited has been better.

Not to mention the fumbling/mistakes double standard because it's not just fumbling. Lee is a much better blocker than Holloway. Aeris is better at receiving than Holloway. Yet Holloway plays more.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

So Peters and McLaurin should be starting? That's just two personnel decisions you were advocating. JT Gray has gotten more playing time, like them. Which is what several told you would happen. They were not ready to start. And don't forget when late in the game and Mizzou was driving and we had bad tackles on that long run, who was out there? Not the first string. They came back in in the redzone and shut them out.

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I said Peters, BRYANT, and McLaurin. I was right about Gray, right about Jenkins over Warren, right about the running backs. You mentioned Gray.

Do you really want me to go into detail on how many times Coman and Zach Jackson have screwed up?

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Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption

1) So the moving goalpost of "success" under Mullen is now beating Bama? I'm sure sucked back when we hadn't beaten a top 25 team ... err, I mean, a team that hasn't finished in the top 25 ... err, whatever random stat can be used to say the he's a bad coach.

2) And yet we currently have the 2nd highest total offensive rankings in the SEC: http://secsports.go.com/statistics/football/team/total
Also, I believe we were number 2 last year as well: http://espn.go.com/college-football/...sec-conference

3) Do tell. What other personnel decisions have you been right about?

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1) I didn't move the goal post. Beating Alabama is the next step. Dan must beat them this next game. Until then he's Dan Walsh.

2) My point is the same. We would be even better playing the best players. It's the response for any stat you pull up.

3) See above. Lee/Williams, Jenkins, Gray over Jackson, Brant and Peters over Coman and Market.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

It's not a problem because the sample size is small. The more carries he gets the better that number gets. That's where you are trying to skew things.

Everyone sees that they are better except for you and Dan. The whole body of work has to be considered and Lee and Williams though limited has been better.

Not to mention the fumbling/mistakes double standard because it's not just fumbling. Lee is a much better blocker than Holloway. Aeris is better at receiving than Holloway. Yet Holloway plays more.

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How is that a skewed stat? It's the only numbers we have to go by. Holloway didn't fumble his first two years of getting playing time but to ignore that is skewing the numbers. I'm not skewing anything. It should get better but you don't know that it will. Some guys have fumbling problems their whole career. We can only judge the numbers as they are not what you think or hope it will be in the future. From a baseball guy that's a stupid argument. Especially since we don't know what they look like away from the games as well. I assume what ever issues Williams has or had is not enough to complete cut him off from opportunities. He was second in rushing attempts against Kentucky. I think conditions played a big part in the decisions last night. You don't and we won't change each other minds. I saw Dak and Holloway have trouble with the ball and think they didn't want to risk a young player be put in a position to not succeed and possibly hurt his confidence. When conditions were better it was Williams they asked to carry the ball to finish up. I thought it was a good idea in a game we didn't have to depend on him so much.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I said Peters, BRYANT, and McLaurin. I was right about Gray, right about Jenkins over Warren, right about the running backs. You mentioned Gray.

Do you really want me to go into detail on how many times Coman and Zach Jackson have screwed up?

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Peters and McLaurin were your main two you wanted to start over Market, Coman, and BRYANT. And they are still not ready. How can you not see that teams go right down the field against them, the game thread blows up about Manny or how bad we tackle (did last night) and it was these guys out there. They are getting better and will be great for us. But it's just not their time to be the main guy. That includes Gray although he is the closest. Along with Peters.

Jenkins Warren thing I never got into because I thought it was a wash either way to start the year and Jenkins would wind up as the starter sooner than later. Strickly experience factor but Jenkins was close to begin with. Coin toss call and the coaches were doing what I thought they would with those two. You could argue either way but either one and our results were going to be the same. I actually thought Shump would do better than he has from what he was building on from the end of last year. He hasn't hit holes like he was then but that was a better running OL. Missed that. Your main guy for the longest has been Lee. You liked Williams and were ok with him getting more touches as long as it wasn't Shump but you were champion Lee as our best by far. I don't think he is and hasn't showed anything against the SEC (too limit of a sample, I know but it's all we have).

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

1) I didn't move the goal post. Beating Alabama is the next step. Dan must beat them this next game. Until then he's Dan Walsh.

2) My point is the same. We would be even better playing the best players. It's the response for any stat you pull up.

3) See above. Lee/Williams, Jenkins, Gray over Jackson, Brant and Peters over Coman and Market.

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1) Well okay. I guess if we beat Bama you'll just find something else to bitch about. Maybe you can go over to Nafoom and get some talking points.
2 & 3)
I'm pretty sure Diaz is the final arbiter over who plays on the defensive side of the ball. Maybe I'm wrong though.
As for the RB spot, it's not like you have some special insight when you say that Shumpert hasn't been getting the job done at RB. Holloway has actually been pretty effective there, especially in SEC play where he's averaging 5.3 yards per carry. The thing is, NONE of our running backs have lit the world on fire in the SEC. Maybe there's more to it than you think?

For the rest, you don't win games by throwing a bunch of newcomers out onto the field on day one. Those guys you mentioned are all getting more reps as the season progresses because they have had more time to adjust to the scheme, the game speed, and college life in general. I'm guessing that was the plan all along, so you claiming you were 'right' rings hollow. Everyone knows those guys all have talent. Those of us who aren't trying to be message board experts also realize that you have to bring them along unless you have a surefire NFL first round pick on hand.

Even Leonard Fournette struggled last year.

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Originally Posted by Irondawg

To me he just won the tailback job tonight despite the early drop. He shows some wiggle and burst that made the line look better. We're going to have to get some explosive plays against Bama and that means a lot of Bear, Dear, Aeris, Gray, Ross.

However he must be one of those guys that can't switch hands. Every time he ran left he kept the ball in his right hand.

Also a note that with the way Mizzou was trying to beat Malone at LT by going around the edge, running right at him was the right thing to do so long as the LG and C can hold any kind of block.

I worry about his ball security but we've got to take some changes against Bama.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

How is that a skewed stat? It's the only numbers we have to go by. Holloway didn't fumble his first two years of getting playing time but to ignore that is skewing the numbers. I'm not skewing anything. It should get better but you don't know that it will. Some guys have fumbling problems their whole career. We can only judge the numbers as they are not what you think or hope it will be in the future. From a baseball guy that's a stupid argument. Especially since we don't know what they look like away from the games as well. I assume what ever issues Williams has or had is not enough to complete cut him off from opportunities. He was second in rushing attempts against Kentucky. I think conditions played a big part in the decisions last night. You don't and we won't change each other minds. I saw Dak and Holloway have trouble with the ball and think they didn't want to risk a young player be put in a position to not succeed and possibly hurt his confidence. When conditions were better it was Williams they asked to carry the ball to finish up. I thought it was a good idea in a game we didn't have to depend on him so much.

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I already explained to you that it was skewed because of the sample size. You can't assume that they will fumble either. It goes both ways. Not to mention that Holloway was a WR and then a third string running back- he hasn't had a chance to fumble in two years.

Your problem is assuming Dan is always right when the track record proves otherwise. Dan being scared to put young players who are performing a chance because of fear of failure is a huge problem. He has to trust his talent evaluation. Plus, players have to learn how to deal with making mistakes. Making them sit on the bench the whole time after a mistake is not a great way to deal with. That's scared Dan Walsh at it's finest- scared to do what it takes to win because of a "potential mistake".

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

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Peters and McLaurin were your main two you wanted to start over Market, Coman, and BRYANT. And they are still not ready. How can you not see that teams go right down the field against them, the game thread blows up about Manny or how bad we tackle (did last night) and it was these guys out there. They are getting better and will be great for us. But it's just not their time to be the main guy. That includes Gray although he is the closest. Along with Peters.

Jenkins Warren thing I never got into because I thought it was a wash either way to start the year and Jenkins would wind up as the starter sooner than later. Strickly experience factor but Jenkins was close to begin with. Coin toss call and the coaches were doing what I thought they would with those two. You could argue either way but either one and our results were going to be the same. I actually thought Shump would do better than he has from what he was building on from the end of last year. He hasn't hit holes like he was then but that was a better running OL. Missed that. Your main guy for the longest has been Lee. You liked Williams and were ok with him getting more touches as long as it wasn't Shump but you were champion Lee as our best by far. I don't think he is and hasn't showed anything against the SEC (too limit of a sample, I know but it's all we have).

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So you're blaming Peters and McLaurin for EVERY mistake the second team makes? Explain to me why Diaz has been trying to get Peters, Bryant, and McLaurin on the field all at the same time then? Did you miss Coman getting picked on repeatedly last night?

Lee/Williams are almost interchangeable to me. I'd actually use them as a tandem. Which Dan doesn't like to do- which is dumb unless you have someone elite.

If a position is a coin toss, you go with the guy with the most upside and get him experience.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I already explained to you that it was skewed because of the sample size. You can't assume that they will fumble either. It goes both ways. Not to mention that Holloway was a WR and then a third string running back- he hasn't had a chance to fumble in two years.

Your problem is assuming Dan is always right when the track record proves otherwise. Dan being scared to put young players who are performing a chance because of fear of failure is a huge problem. He has to trust his talent evaluation. Plus, players have to learn how to deal with making mistakes. Making them sit on the bench the whole time after a mistake is not a great way to deal with. That's scared Dan Walsh at it's finest- scared to do what it takes to win because of a "potential mistake".

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That is the dumbest argument you have made. You absolutely base what they have done (stats) and can only go by that. There is no flip side. This is what they have done so far and it took Holloway 115 touches before he ever fumbled. 115 vs around 20 for each Williams and Lee. And if that is matching what the coaches are seeing elsewhere they had better be looking at that. You are saying arbitrarily that it's going to get better because it has too simply because the sample size is too small. It didn't for Milton. Until Lewis got it under control he had limited touches. Graham (whom several wanted returning punts, don't know whether you did) was given too many chances. Didn't see anybody defending Dan for letting him work it out because he was explosive. Most questioned why Dan kept giving him that many chances. Nobody brings up that in their Dan pulls them too quick even though they are the most talented narrative about fumbling.

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Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption

1) Well okay. I guess if we beat Bama you'll just find something else to bitch about. Maybe you can go over to Nafoom and get some talking points.
2 & 3)
I'm pretty sure Diaz is the final arbiter over who plays on the defensive side of the ball. Maybe I'm wrong though.
As for the RB spot, it's not like you have some special insight when you say that Shumpert hasn't been getting the job done at RB. Holloway has actually been pretty effective there, especially in SEC play where he's averaging 5.3 yards per carry. The thing is, NONE of our running backs have lit the world on fire in the SEC. Maybe there's more to it than you think?

For the rest, you don't win games by throwing a bunch of newcomers out onto the field on day one. Those guys you mentioned are all getting more reps as the season progresses because they have had more time to adjust to the scheme, the game speed, and college life in general. I'm guessing that was the plan all along, so you claiming you were 'right' rings hollow. Everyone knows those guys all have talent. Those of us who aren't trying to be message board experts also realize that you have to bring them along unless you have a surefire NFL first round pick on hand.

Even Leonard Fournette struggled last year.

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I'm not bitching. I'm saying we need to beat Bama to take the next step. Stop being happy with eight wins and try to aim higher.

Holloway is averaging 4.58 yards per carry. Still less than Lee and Williams by a good bit.

And as far as young players- most of those guys have been in our program for over a year only one is a true freshman. Gray is a sophomore. I'm only talking about playing five freshmen total and two are sharing a position.

You say I'm wrong but after every game this year there are threads like this agreeing with me. That speaks volumes.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

It's ok for Holloway to fumble- but not Aeris or DLee apparently

DLee and Dear were supposedly hurt last nite.

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I heard Malik sheared his output shaft right where it comes out of his PTO fwiw

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

So you're blaming Peters and McLaurin for EVERY mistake the second team makes? Explain to me why Diaz has been trying to get Peters, Bryant, and McLaurin on the field all at the same time then? Did you miss Coman getting picked on repeatedly last night?

Lee/Williams are almost interchangeable to me. I'd actually use them as a tandem. Which Dan doesn't like to do- which is dumb unless you have someone elite.

If a position is a coin toss, you go with the guy with the most upside and get him experience.

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No not just Peters and McLaurin. Green was out there. Gray. Graham I believe you thought was out next best corner after Redmond went down. How did he look? They will get there but you don't have near the grasp of personnel as you think. At least not when it concerns when they are ready. I don't always either. I think they slow played Redmond's playing time too much. But he was out there more than people think because of coverages we ran last year but he should have started over Love at least by LSU or A & M last year.

ETA. If a position is a coin toss who says you always play youth upside over experience? Never have heard or seen a coach make that as an absolute. You don't always do that at all. I think this was a coin toss only because Warren has played in SEC games before. I can understand the coaches reasoning because of LSU the second game. There are definite times you need experience over upside. I think this was a close call because neither had played tackle in SEC games.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

That is the dumbest argument you have made. You absolutely base what they have done (stats) and can only go by that. There is no flip side. This is what they have done so far and it took Holloway 115 touches before he ever fumbled. 115 vs around 20 for each Williams and Lee. And if that is matching what the coaches are seeing elsewhere they had better be looking at that. You are saying arbitrarily that it's going to get better because it has too simply because the sample size is too small. It didn't for Milton. Until Lewis got it under control he had limited touches. Graham (whom several wanted returning punts, don't know whether you did) was given too many chances. Didn't see anybody defending Dan for letting him work it out because he was explosive. Most questioned why Dan kept giving him that many chances. Nobody brings up that in their Dan pulls them too quick even though they are the most talented narrative about fumbling.

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And you were probably one of the ones who were saying it was their blocking that was the issue earlier in the year and are now trying to latch onto fumbles. Again, one fumble in almost 40 touches is not an issue.

And yes, the sample size is too small in this case.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

No not just Peters and McLaurin. Green was out there. Gray. Graham I believe you thought was out next best corner after Redmond went down. How did he look? They will get there but you don't have near the grasp of personnel as you think. At least not when it concerns when they are ready. I don't always either. I think they slow played Redmond's playing time too much. But he was out there more than people think because of coverages we ran last year but he should have started over Love at least by LSU or A & M last year.

ETA. If a position is a coin toss who says you always play youth upside over experience? Never have heard or seen a coach make that as an absolute. You don't always do that at all. I think this was a coin toss only because Warren has played in SEC games before. I can understand the coaches reasoning because of LSU the second game. There are definite times you need experience over upside. I think this was a close call because neither had played tackle in SEC games.

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I was wrong about Graham. Right about the others. Six out of seven ain't bad and still better than Dan Walsh. I like how you are trying to call my guys out on a drive where we held them to a field goal while ignoring the 10 than Dan Walsh's crew allowed.

Jenkins has essentially as much experience at tackle as Warren at this point therefore it's more beneficial for us in the long run to play him.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And you were probably one of the ones who were saying it was their blocking that was the issue earlier in the year and are now trying to latch onto fumbles. Again, one fumble in almost 40 touches is not an issue.

And yes, the sample size is too small in this case.

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Coach 57 was probably the first that really pointed out our OL issues. If I remember right especially LT after the USM game. I agreed with a lot of what he was saying. I think was on the OL issues early in the year. You disagree with him? I know several were concerned about the OL starting the year. I thought they would be better than what have been. They have pass blocked well several times. Desper has had issues on the interior at times all year. Let the 5 star marshmallow get in front of his face against Kentucky that cost us a big play recently.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I was wrong about Graham. Right about the others. Six out of seven ain't bad and still better than Dan Walsh. I like how you are trying to call my guys out on a drive where we held them to a field goal while ignoring the 10 than Dan Walsh's crew allowed.

Jenkins has essentially as much experience at tackle as Warren at this point therefore it's more beneficial for us in the long run to play him.

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You were not right on McLarin or Peters being ready to start right then. And if you remember I called this weeks ago. That they will steadily get more snaps as they get better and ready to play and flat out said you will use that to say you were right at the time. You were not right on several of those guys. Including Green starting over Ritchie Brown. But as that got ready I said you were going to say You were right. Weeks ago I knew that you were going to try a claim that. And they are still not ready. I even said then I agreed about Gray. I think he has a good future. I think several of those guys do. But upside didn't equal to being ready. And I wasn't the only one when discussing Peters and McLaurin. Coach34 said the same thing about the safety's.

ETA. The back ups let them get in the redzone. The starters came back in and held them to a FG.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I was wrong about Graham. Right about the others. Six out of seven ain't bad and still better than Dan Walsh. I like how you are trying to call my guys out on a drive where we held them to a field goal while ignoring the 10 than Dan Walsh's crew allowed.

Jenkins has essentially as much experience at tackle as Warren at this point therefore it's more beneficial for us in the long run to play him.

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Shoot lets sign you up to manage personnel.

Crap. Why are we arguing Todd? We won the game by 18 points. It worked out great for us and we have already won more games than the "experts" picked us to. Let's just enjoy the win and become Arkansas fans for the weekend. Glad we are 7-2 and thought last night was set up for a bad outcome. Thursday night home dogs, in bad weather, use third string left tackle and we took control of the game. The team is playing as well as they have all year these last few games.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Mic...the sample size is too small but so far against better teams I think Williams is better than Lee. Lee has 7 rushes for 7 yards against A & M and Kentucky. Again it's really too small to say but right now I think Williams may be the better of the two. I hope they continue to push each other for the RB 1 spot as it will make them both better.

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My exact thoughts. Been saying it all year.

This is not a knock on Lee's potential ability but folks are up his ass based on a spring game and low level competition.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I was wrong about Graham. Right about the others. Six out of seven ain't bad and still better than Dan Walsh. I like how you are trying to call my guys out on a drive where we held them to a field goal while ignoring the 10 than Dan Walsh's crew allowed.

Jenkins has essentially as much experience at tackle as Warren at this point therefore it's more beneficial for us in the long run to play him.

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Dude...you have completely turned into the "Smitty" of football season. You do not know more about footbal, in particular our team, than the man who sees them everyday and gets paid to coach them. Geez...

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Dude...you have completely turned into the "Smitty" of football season. You do not know more about footbal, in particular our team, than the man who sees them everyday and gets paid to coach them. Geez...

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Todd won't admit he's wrong about Coman, either. Kivon has come on strong the last few weeks. Check out AC QB, but Kivon was one of our best players last night: INT, TFL, second on the team in tackles. Two tackles to save TDs, and great coverage plus a PBU to save the garbage time TD. Our safety rotation should be: Kivon, Bryant, Peters, McLaurin in that order.

Checkdown Charlie and Dan Walsh

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I'm not bitching. I'm saying we need to beat Bama to take the next step. Stop being happy with eight wins and try to aim higher.

Holloway is averaging 4.58 yards per carry. Still less than Lee and Williams by a good bit.

And as far as young players- most of those guys have been in our program for over a year only one is a true freshman. Gray is a sophomore. I'm only talking about playing five freshmen total and two are sharing a position.

You say I'm wrong but after every game this year there are threads like this agreeing with me. That speaks volumes.

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Stop being spoiled and enjoy the fact that we are now looking at 6 winning seasons in a row for MSU football.

Lee hasn't done squat against SEC competition. Aeris got most of his yards last night in the 4th quarter of a blowout win. He did well with his 3 carries against A&M, and was pretty pedestrian against Kentucky. I'm not going to argue that our RB production has been great this year because it hasn't. But there isn't anyone on our roster who has consistently moved the pile against SEC competition. I don't give a crap about YPC against scrubs.

All the other young guys you talk about are getting reps....so what's the issue?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

All of this Aeris has problems fumbling is bullshit. He has one fumble and Dan doesn't let him play. Shumpert did the EXACT same thing against USM and if I'm not mistaken Holloway had at least two and obviously the one last night.

Williams has ONE in well over 30 carries and it's an "issue" and a problem? And I don't think Lee or Dear have one yet.

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What is wrong with mullen we won 31 to 13 we have been bowling ever year under him besides the first year. Everyone picked us to be last in the sec here it is nov and we are 7 and 2 ranked 20 but mullen needs to be gone he throws the ball to much.

Absolutely nothing, every coach in America gets criticized and every fan base has that group that thinks they know more about said sport than the coach. Dan is with these guys everyday so I think his knowledge of his team is probably better then anyone else. It is easy to sit here and say this guy or that guy should be playing without any repercussions if said player struggles or costs the team a game. Debating whether or not someone should be playing is one thing, dogging the coach that has brought us out of the cellar after a 31-13 win and making up dumb nicknames is rather lousy.

Great post bb30. I mean we could hire croom back run the ball 2 times throw a 2 yard slant and punt boy those years were fun to watch, and we beat everybody with croom.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Coach 57 was probably the first that really pointed out our OL issues. If I remember right especially LT after the USM game. I agreed with a lot of what he was saying. I think was on the OL issues early in the year. You disagree with him? I know several were concerned about the OL starting the year. I thought they would be better than what have been. They have pass blocked well several times. Desper has had issues on the interior at times all year. Let the 5 star marshmallow get in front of his face against Kentucky that cost us a big play recently.

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Actually, Coach34 is the one who told me about Jenkins. Do I disagree with Coach57 about the o-line? Somewhat with the benefit of hindsight. They're not world beaters, but they are also not nearly as bad as they are made out to be by some when you look at the statistics (sacks and TFL). The elephant in the room is how Dak, Aeris, and Lee have been able to run behind them and even Holloway at times- but not Shumpert.

I think Coach57 would agree with me that the o-line has improved as well- something I believe that he has also mentioned.