Checkdown Charlie with 465 yards...

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Originally Posted by smootness

This is debatable and doesn't really have much to do with the discussion. I think a case can be made for this, though, but it's far from certain. Dak looked really stinking good as a redshirt freshman.

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Yes, Dak did look good as a redshirt freshman. Threw TD passes against Bama and LSU. Also Dak got meaningful snaps, not mop up duty. Also, there is more talent at WR now than what Dak had as a redshirt freshman. He's the best QB in school history and it pisses me off when someone tries to discredit him in any way.

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Originally Posted by PassInterference

I think Staley and Fitz are a lot better than Dak was when Dak was a RFr.

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What?! Dak actually had meaningful snaps against real teams when he was a redshirt. Fitz is good, but he's had reps against Northwestern State and Troy. Dak also had receivers that were barely tall enough to ride a roller coaster, while Fitz and Staley have future NFL players out there. Dak was used as a running back that could throw the ball his redshirt year. But he had meaningful snaps that were crucial to the game. Fitz and Staley have the potential to be really good, but they haven't served the same importance Dak did as a freshmen. Therefore, you cannot say they are A LOT BETTER than Dak.

Dak looked really promising as a freshman and continued to develop, and he is now a ridiculous beast.

Fitz and Staley both look really promising as freshmen, and if they continue to develop, they both have the chance to be awesome.

I think everyone can basically agree on these things. We are in a really, really good place at QB for the first time ever, and I just want to sit back and enjoy it.

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Originally Posted by defiantdog

What?! Dak actually had meaningful snaps against real teams when he was a redshirt. Fitz is good, but he's had reps against Northwestern State and Troy. Dak also had receivers that were barely tall enough to ride a roller coaster, while Fitz and Staley have future NFL players out there. Dak was used as a running back that could throw the ball his redshirt year. But he had meaningful snaps that were crucial to the game. Fitz and Staley have the potential to be really good, but they haven't served the same importance Dak did as a freshmen. Therefore, you cannot say they are A LOT BETTER than Dak.

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Dak has even said they are better than he was as a redshirt freshman.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Yes, Dak did look good as a redshirt freshman. Threw TD passes against Bama and LSU. Also Dak got meaningful snaps, not mop up duty. Also, there is more talent at WR now than what Dak had as a redshirt freshman. He's the best QB in school history and it pisses me off when someone tries to discredit him in any way.

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I'm with you 100% about Dak, pisses me off as well to discredit him, probably most loved and respected football player in our lifetime time. What should be said is he's a winner who represents Msu as well as one ever has.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

blah blah blah bullshit. Ive never said Prescott should be replaced. And they listened to me- we pushed the ball down the field tonight- and got better results and a better running game. You're welcome

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The sad thing about it is that you truly believe they listened to you hahaha

I think you guys have worked yourselves up over nothing.

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Originally Posted by mstatefan91

I think you guys have worked yourselves up over nothing.

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It's that time of the month for most in here.

As far as the nickname I believe it has more to do with Dans playcalling and personnel decisions earlier on the season. I never took it as a dig at Dak, but a dig on our shitty play calling and holding back the reins of Dak until last night.

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Originally Posted by mstatefan91

I think you guys have worked yourselves up over nothing.

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No shit. Bunch of bitches bitching over nothing.

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

No shit. Bunch of bitches bitching over nothing.

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We won so they had to find something to bitch about. Anyone bitching after last nights demolition of KY, will bitch no matter what.

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Originally Posted by stalkingpoon

The sad thing about it is that you truly believe they listened to you hahaha

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Do I think Mullen read Elitedawgs and said "oh shit- he's right"- of course not

Do I think Mullen watched Checkdown Charlie on film and the Safeties playing hard- and said "We need to push the ball down the field"? Absolutely

It's funny to me that when our offense isn't performing PERFECTLY we have people screaming about how Dak is ****ing everything up.

He goes off for 6 TDs and suddenly his supporters are "on the rag" or whatever.

**** y'all.

He's the best. damn. quarterback. we've EVER HAD at MSU. Period. End of discussion. A mediocre game from Prescott would have gotten him blow jobs aplenty in the 90's or during the Croom era. Just because some of you idiots can't appreciate where we are now doesn't mean I have to shut up when he makes you look stupid.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Do I think Mullen read Elitedawgs and said "oh shit- he's right"- of course not

Do I think Mullen watched Checkdown Charlie on film and the Safeties playing hard- and said "We need to push the ball down the field"? Absolutely

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We took 2 shots down the field and one was picked off. The difference last night was UK playing a 3 man front and Dak got the run game going.

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Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption

It's funny to me that when our offense isn't performing PERFECTLY we have people screaming about how Dak is ****ing everything up.

He goes off for 6 TDs and suddenly his supporters are "on the rag" or whatever.

**** y'all.

He's the best. damn. quarterback. we've EVER HAD at MSU. Period. End of discussion. A mediocre game from Prescott would have gotten him blow jobs aplenty in the 90's or during the Croom era. Just because some of you idiots can't appreciate where we are now doesn't mean I have to shut up when he makes you look stupid.

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On...the....money.

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Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption

It's funny to me that when our offense isn't performing PERFECTLY we have people screaming about how Dak is ****ing everything up.

He goes off for 6 TDs and suddenly his supporters are "on the rag" or whatever.

**** y'all.

He's the best. damn. quarterback. we've EVER HAD at MSU. Period. End of discussion. A mediocre game from Prescott would have gotten him blow jobs aplenty in the 90's or during the Croom era. Just because some of you idiots can't appreciate where we are now doesn't mean I have to shut up when he makes you look stupid.

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What I said has nothing to do with Dak and everything to do with you continuing to look for a fight. But by all means, carry on.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

We took 2 shots down the field and one was picked off. The difference last night was UK playing a 3 man front and Dak got the run game going.

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Wrong

We had more than 5 throws of 20+

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Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption

It's funny to me that when our offense isn't performing PERFECTLY we have people screaming about how Dak is ****ing everything up.

He goes off for 6 TDs and suddenly his supporters are "on the rag" or whatever.

**** y'all.

He's the best. damn. quarterback. we've EVER HAD at MSU. Period. End of discussion. A mediocre game from Prescott would have gotten him blow jobs aplenty in the 90's or during the Croom era. Just because some of you idiots can't appreciate where we are now doesn't mean I have to shut up when he makes you look stupid.

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Who said Dak was ****ing everything up- I'll ban them right now

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Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life

Dak has even said they are better than he was as a redshirt freshman.

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He was being humble

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Who said Dak was ****ing everything up- I'll ban them right now

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They're making sh*t up to keep the fight going.

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Originally Posted by mstatefan91

They're making sh*t up to keep the fight going.

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Ok fine. I was being hyperbolic. But still, please don't insult my intelligence and claim now that no one was singling out Dak the past few weeks for perceived shortcomings.

Claims were being made and nicknames were being applied, and now those folks are rightfully taking some shit for it. That's all it is.

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Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption

Ok fine. I was being hyperbolic. But still, please don't insult my intelligence and claim now that no one was singling out Dak the past few weeks for perceived shortcomings.

Claims were being made and nicknames were being applied, and now those folks are rightfully taking some shit for it. That's all it is.

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I saw people calling out Dan and the coaching staff. I never saw anybody calling out Dak and the only nick name has come from C34 who is now going to continue to use it because he knows it gets under your skin.

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Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption

Ok fine. I was being hyperbolic. But still, please don't insult my intelligence and claim now that no one was singling out Dak the past few weeks for perceived shortcomings.

Claims were being made and nicknames were being applied, and now those folks are rightfully taking some shit for it. That's all it is.

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I'm fairly certain that most on here have been critical of Mullen's play calling and personnel decisions, all of which were hampering the play of Dak. For whatever reason, Dan wasn't allowing Dak to be Dak.

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Originally Posted by mstatefan91

I saw people calling out Dan and the coaching staff. I never saw anybody calling out Dak and the only nick name has come from C34 who is now going to continue to use it because he knows it gets under your skin.

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He WAS being Checkdown Charlie- last night he wasnt. And we saw the difference

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Originally Posted by Coach34

He WAS being Checkdown Charlie- last night he wasnt. And we saw the difference

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I got no issue. I think you meant this to be for QuadrupleOption

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Originally Posted by Coach34

He WAS being Checkdown Charlie- last night he wasnt. And we saw the difference

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He was still doing his progressions last night same as all year. That you think he wasn't is interesting. Leave off the derogatory name please. Dak doesn't deserve that.

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Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption

It's funny to me that when our offense isn't performing PERFECTLY we have people screaming about how Dak is ****ing everything up.

He goes off for 6 TDs and suddenly his supporters are "on the rag" or whatever.

**** y'all.

He's the best. damn. quarterback. we've EVER HAD at MSU. Period. End of discussion. A mediocre game from Prescott would have gotten him blow jobs aplenty in the 90's or during the Croom era. Just because some of you idiots can't appreciate where we are now doesn't mean I have to shut up when he makes you look stupid.

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Originally Posted by mstatefan91

I think you guys have worked yourselves up over nothing.

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

No shit. Bunch of bitches bitching over nothing.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

He was still doing his progressions last night same as all year. That you think he wasn't is interesting. Leave off the derogatory name please. Dak doesn't deserve that.

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Honestly I don't think it's a derogatory name. I kinda like it actually and C34 wasn't nearly the only person asking for Dak to throw deep over the middle. I asked for that plenty. Our offense had become limited to a twenty yard area to cover. Never stretching the D beyond that. Dak needs to shoulder some of the blame for that and the rest needs to be Mullen for not recognizing he wasn't attacking the defense vertically to create room. Bama is very good at stretching a defense vertically. Excellent at it. Been doing it since Saban showed up. It's really something we have no excuse not to learn from. You must be a threat past 20 yards down the field.

Babe Ruth was the best baseball player ever. He had some games where he struck out three times or more in his career. Joe Montana got pulled for Steve Young a few times in his career. Jordan had a few games where he scored less than 10 points.

Just because you are the best ever at something doesn't mean you are above criticism or everything you do is golden.

The fact of the matter is Dak needed to throw it deep more and needed to run it more. That doesn't mean he sucks in the big picture when you look at his career.

The only way the people trying to call Coach out would have a point would have been for Dak to continue to check it down and not run and we still score 42. That's what funny about this. Dak/Dan did what Coach and others on this board- INCLUDING Coach57- suggested we should do and lo and behold it works out better but then people want to call Coach34 out? LOL.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Babe Ruth was the best baseball player ever. He had some games where he struck out three times or more in his career. Joe Montana got pulled for Steve Young a few times in his career. Jordan had a few games where he scored less than 10 points.

Just because you are the best ever at something doesn't mean you are above criticism or everything you do is golden.

The fact of the matter is Dak needed to throw it deep more and needed to run it more. That doesn't mean he sucks in the big picture when you look at his career.

The only way the people trying to call Coach out would have a point would have been for Dak to continue to check it down and not run and we still score 42. That's what funny about this. Dak/Dan did what Coach and others on this board- INCLUDING Coach57- suggested we should do and lo and behold it works out better but then people want to call Coach34 out? LOL.

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You're completely missing the issue.

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Originally Posted by smootness

You're completely missing the issue.

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Sure looks like a bunch of people trying to call Coach34 out to me. Then what is the issue?

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Originally Posted by smootness

You're completely missing the issue.

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I apologize for this being my first post, but i've idly sat by watching this MB all season. That being said, I feel like you're missing the issue. It is very clear that we CANNOT score points when we are not stretching the field vertically and Dak is not RTGDF. For reference, I submit our last 6 SEC games, sans Vandy. The most points we've scored in those 6 games: 20 vs Bama last year. But I'm sure you're right. Coach (both of them) is missing the point. I saw multiple runs in the Kentucky game that Dak would deliberately not have taken in the past 7 games. I have actually gone through the trouble of screenshotting a number of plays throughout the season in which Dak could have run (and didn't) that would have resulted in big gains ( second by second as the play develops). The result, usually a 1 yard gain or a negative play. Now, whether that is because of bad decision making, or another reason is not for me to say.

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Originally Posted by Dawgs87

I apologize for this being my first post, but i've idly sat by watching this MB all season. That being said, I feel like you're missing the issue. It is very clear that we CANNOT score points when we are not stretching the field vertically and Dak is not RTGDF. For reference, I submit our last 6 SEC games, sans Vandy. The most points we've scored in those 6 games: 20 vs Bama last year. But I'm sure you're right. Coach (both of them) is missing the point. I saw multiple runs in the Kentucky game that Dak would deliberately not have taken in the past 7 games. I have actually gone through the trouble of screenshotting a number of plays throughout the season in which Dak could have run (and didn't) that would have resulted in big gains ( second by second as the play develops). The result, usually a 1 yard gain or a negative play. Now, whether that is because of bad decision making, or another reason is not for me to say.

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All part of player development....Dak learning how to go thru progressions in a game setting. We all know he can run. Just like getting the younger guys in. And I haven't seen a single person say anything about the 1A - 1B thing this year on D. It's the same thing, but looks a little different.. Go back and watch. Especially on 3rd downs.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

yep- we did 100% what I asked us to do- and byyyyyy God- it worked. Cause we havent done that allllll year.

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ok - what do we have to do to beat bama ?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Babe Ruth was the best baseball player ever. He had some games where he struck out three times or more in his career. Joe Montana got pulled for Steve Young a few times in his career. Jordan had a few games where he scored less than 10 points.

Just because you are the best ever at something doesn't mean you are above criticism or everything you do is golden.

The fact of the matter is Dak needed to throw it deep more and needed to run it more. That doesn't mean he sucks in the big picture when you look at his career.

The only way the people trying to call Coach out would have a point would have been for Dak to continue to check it down and not run and we still score 42. That's what funny about this. Dak/Dan did what Coach and others on this board- INCLUDING Coach57- suggested we should do and lo and behold it works out better but then people want to call Coach34 out? LOL.

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bottom line is it was condescending and degrading to one of the best to play here .... the moniker was total BS and that is what is being discussed ...if Mullen had enough foresight to prevent our rushing woes this would have never even come up ... funny how he wasn't "check-down Charlie" when we had a decent rushing threat

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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG

ok - what do we have to do to beat bama ?

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Pray.

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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG

bottom line is it was condescending and degrading to one of the best to play here ....

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It's really not- you guys are being bloody vag's about it. Checkdown doesnt mean you are a bad QB- it means you arent pushing the ball down the field and taking the safe throws. Just like people arguing about the ball being underthrown Saturday- it's ok that Prescott isnt perfect. He is still awesome.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

It's really not- you guys are being bloody vag's about it. Checkdown doesnt mean you are a bad QB- it means you arent pushing the ball down the field and taking the safe throws. Just like people arguing about the ball being underthrown Saturday- it's ok that Prescott isnt perfect. He is still awesome.

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It really is.

It's rude and disrespectful for somebody like you to try to demean our QB.

We threw downfield Saturday because we could. We hadn't been in earlier games as much because we couldn't. The difference was blocking. The name 34 was using in the context he was using it, despite what he is saying now, can only be interpreted as mocking. Dak doesn't deserve that at all.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

It's really not- you guys are being bloody vag's about it. Checkdown doesnt mean you are a bad QB- it means you arent pushing the ball down the field and taking the safe throws. Just like people arguing about the ball being underthrown Saturday- it's ok that Prescott isnt perfect. He is still awesome.

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If you are referring to me about under thrown ball, yes I did say I was wrong about over throw, but the DB made a great play. So I man up on my mistake of over throw!

As for as Dak, Check Down Charlie isn't cool.