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Originally Posted by TopDog58
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Originally Posted by TopDog58
Which pay board had the trouble? I've never been on Gene's page, but I gather that he has no problem deleting stuff. 247? Rivals?
Yeah, we gotta do something. We need to drop the past, show each other some respect, and pull the rope together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Agreed. And if any other school is feeding him the crap that he'll be the only RB they offer, then they are straight up lying to his face as well and he is going to be very disappointed. We all know that's probably not the real reason, though. Welcome to the big time, kid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
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Originally Posted by FlabLoser
Again, the guy isn't scared of competition. He wants to go to the same school as Moe Neal, who is another 5 star talent. It made him mad that people on 24/7 started trashing his 'uncle'. That crap isn't necessary.
^^^ spot on ^^^ the thing is even if they don't visit a message board themselves, bears that lurk on our boards are more than happy to copy & paste from our boards and tweet them to a recruit .... the bears have been doing this for years - ie. CJ Johnson & company
With regards to Washinton, don't give up yet. Time heals all wounds. 3 years is A LOT of time for anyone, especially when it's 1/5 of someone's current lifespan. How about we focus the energy on getting back in his good graces rather than giving up and pouting.[/QUOTE]
good point - for the next three years these guys will still look to see our scores or watch our games whereas if we never offered they may have NEVER given us a consideration or another passing thought - how bad can that be ??
I've never defended our staff before, but in this situation they did nothing wrong. Brewster is the one who promised Washington we wouldn't offer anyone else. We all see how faithful that jackass was. Washington is an elite talent, but the same people bitching now that we offered someone else and pissed this kid off would be ready to behead Mullen if the kid changed is mind near signing day 2016 and we were left without a backup plan.
You have it wrong, here. There was nothing insecure about this.
We all told you they weren't going to stick, but you have some sort of weird fascination about these two KIDS.
We'll be fine whether he comes to State or not.Courting someone 4 years is way too long for any school. And blaming other message boards is useless. The recruiting game is nasty,dirty,and for the strong. If Dan keeps building like he is we'll be fine. Scott Field or DWS rocking at night with the rowdy fans and cowbells ringing is easy to sell a recruit on. This new stadium with sold out crowds will do wonders for us. I wish we played all our games at night, nothing like it.
This^^ is the way it happens EVERY time.Quote:
Originally Posted by DiligenceDawg
And not to offend anyone, but if you disagree and think the kid needs to "get over it", well start a chat about it or better yet keep that shit to yourself, because saying it doesn't help us. So feel free to disagree, just don't do it publicly if you want our recruiting to improve.
That's just the way it works now days....especially when you have a group of fans as close as Oxford trying to tear us down 365 days a year.
+1 Farley. This is exactly what happened with Brewster and Washington.Quote:
Originally Posted by beerfarley
When those kids first committed, I thought they were being used by Brewster to insure him a little job security. Then he left town on the first thing smoking. I doubted Brewster would be around that long and knew it would be tough to hold those kids without him. Sure, I would like to see the kids on the team, but I think we were all used by Brewster. Sad to see fifteen year olds have to go through that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakePlissken
Brewster might be more behind this than the message boards ... never know sometimes
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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
exactly- dont think for a second that Brewster isnt still recruiting them
To be clear I think the message board had very little to do with the decommitment.
but treating people we need on our side that poorly is absolutely going to keep us on the outside looking in.
I don't think we are remotely giving up on them or them us either to be fair. we'll be in their top 3 or 4 at least with a shot at getting them.
Now if the nephew doesn't commit in the fall I am much more likely to believe the message board is part of it.
I just can't get worked up over a f'n 2016 kid. If his 'crootin' experience already causes this much drama, it'll be f'n epic the drama he creates in '16. Some people just love having their knickers in a twist all the time and thrive off creating drama.
If you really think about all of this it is so silly for us grown men to care what these 15 year old boys are going to do. There are some things we can improve on - and really we should probably all take a piece of advice from Will in that discussing recruiting rumors should be kept at a minimum because they really don't do much good. I understand talking about the 2014 class, but three years down the road so much can happen between now and then it's just silly. A commitment from a 15 year old no matter who it is really doesn't hold much water. When I was 15 I couldn't see past what I was doing that very day, and certainly nothing past the weekend. Let's not get our panties in a wad. Try to keep it positive about recruiting when discussing it in a public forum, and throw some jabs at OM whenever necessary.
eta: Mullen and Co. seem to keep things pretty quiet. They don't let the cat out of the bag too often. Maybe before we go running him or other people down the road, maybe there is a plan or a set course of action for what he is doing. I hear he is a very organized and well-thought out kind of guy. Maybe he told these guys if they want to commit then commit and stick to it, if they want to look around talk with other schools that's fine, but we can't consider you a commit. So he "decommitted".
putting our best foot forward should be the norm regardless of what class a kid is in.
If you recruit talent you are going to have some degree of drama. Anything worth having is worth working for. It's either drama with 4-5 star kids or no drama and bitching about 2-3 star guys that no one wants. Overgeneralization, sure but I think you get the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Look at Nkemdiche last year- he was committed to Clemson for a time but the whole time I think most people at least felt like there was a chance he would go to Ole Miss.
We just have to be able to roll with the punches and not act like insecure pussies.
A lot of people lose sight of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by DiligenceDawg
Well if our staff really thought this kid was going to be super elite then they would not offer another RB. At least not anytime soon especially if they thought it might upset the apple cart with Washington. If not offering another RB is what it takes to get a 5* type back then that's what you do when you are MSU. Heck, take 2 the year before and 2 the year after, its not that difficult. Its pretty obvious if you are paying attention that our coaching staff and our fanbase overall stink at the recruiting game. But it didn't take us losing these 2 guys for me to see that. And I like Mullen but he will NEVER have an elite recruiting staff nor will he ever recruit at an elite level, I've just come to accept that. I actually thought recruiting would really pick up with the consecutive sellouts, bowl games, facility upgrades and stadium expansion but we are still near the bottom of the SEC in recruiting rankings. However we are getting enough talent to compete so Mullen can make up for some of the recruiting deficiency with player development. I do believe though that double digit win seasons will not be possible except on maybe a fluke if we can't get a few more elite players to sign. Its those upper tier players that make the difference between 7-9 win teams and 10-12 win teams. Thank goodness last year we hooked onto Chris Jones before anyone else knew who he was but that is a VERY rare situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by beerfarley
The big difference: Kimdeechee was a senior. This kid is a f'n sophomore. He probably can't even drive yet. I expect bullshit recruiting drama from seniors. But my "don't give a damn" kicks in when the kid is still 3 damn years from being a senior. Sure, it may work out. Or he may go somewhere else. Hopefully, he chooses to stick with us. But I could not hear his name aGAIN until '16 and be just fine. I'd rather ignore it for 3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Honestly, I used to really enjoy following 'crootin. But what it's become the last few years especially is a twisted joke. I pretty much hate it now. I'll always love football, but you're starting to see more and more of the basketball mentality creep into it, particularly in the recruiting process.
recruiting is evolving ... now it takes more than pretty wrapping paper ... if we don't evolve with it nothing will ever change
Yeah these 7 on 7 camps and the ESPN camps are going to become more and more prevalent and its going to get earlier and earlier on recruiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
I know that we are offering sophomores left and right it seems, and 10 years ago it was a big deal if we offered a junior before their season. Now, it seems we have probably offered 50-100 juniors already.
Some of us need to start following our mother's advice. "If you don't have anything nice to say ...."
However, too many of us have that SPS mentality. Attempting to be cool by tearing down and trashing your own. That's a sad place for a so-called fan to be.
It's more than that. It's the all about "me" and "I" culture that's creeping into it. Do you know how many times Lebron James used the word "we" in his NBA Finals Championship speech? None. Do you know how many times he said "I"? 18 Do you know how many times Jonathan Toews said "we" after winning the Stanley Cup? 14. Said "I?" None. Now I know I'm in the minority, but I'd a hell of a lot rather watch the NHL than the NBA. They understand "team" and you don't get the bullshit primadonna attitudes that are invading the rest of sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Actually, Nkemdiche was a known player well before his junior year. See why Ole Miss signed his brother and took that gamble.
Wasn't little Kim signed in the summer after signing day? It is nuts that everybody else was asleep on him.
I love how we are complaining about the "drama" but it is the posters on the message boards causing the drama. If the kid wants to come to State. Then he will come. If he wants to go somewhere else, then he will go somewhere else. There is no drama in that at all. It is a decision for him and his family to make. It is our choice the turn it into drama because we hang on every decision these kids make like a damn soap opera.
With that being said, I enjoy opening a message board and seeing that a player has committed to State. I enjoy reading the "expert analysis" on these players. What I don't understand is the "drama" that we (posters) create. Its not the kid creating the drama, all he did was change his mind. Everyone of us change our minds all of the time. It is the message boards that turn it into a huge ordeal.
Of course, this is all just my opinion. I hope my kid receives an academic scholarship and just goes to school like a normal student. I would hate to get on here in 5 years and read how much he sucks if he chose to go somewhere beside State.
OK I rambled too much. Let me clarify. I haven't seen the drama associated with these kids that surrounded some recruits in the past (Robert Kim). Sure it would have been great if they stuck with their original committment and left it at that. That would have been 0 drama. But everyone knew that was not likely since they committed so young. What I meant is that their recruitment has not been a circus show. It could turn into that or it could not. So far, I have no problem with the way these 2 have conducted themselves. They have not used their stardom to get all of their friends schollys (looking at you Robert Kim). Their fathers have not been offered employment by certain schools (still looking at you Robert K). All they did was change their minds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alphadog
That being said, I am not on twitter so I don't know if they are putting things out on twitter or other social media that totally ****s my whole argument up
Fella's I dont mean to bud in but, as a recruits father. It does leave a BAD taste in your mouth when you read blogs and your kid is getting dogged out on it. To be totally honest, I didnt even go and visit Virginia, South Carolina and a few other schools because of what was said on blogs. VANDERBILT was dogging Elijah out on their blogs. That left a bitter taste in my mouth. I didnt want him up there. It was very refreshing when I got on the blog with you guys and you all asked question and got to know your recruit. I did see a few negative comments, but it was many more positive than negative. Now, I dont mind the critics. But its the bashing that makes you wanna de commit.
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Originally Posted by coachcamp
No- glad you posted. Your perspective is exactly what the thread needed
I think you are correct about him being signed in the summer. But he was in the 2011 class which meant that Ole Miss knew about Nkemdiche as a sophomore in HS at the very latest.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlabLoser
I think it's going to take posters like you and the Washington's for people to understand that bashing a recruit hurts a program with that player.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachcamp
thanks for the insight coachcamp. I may be wrong, but I think a big part of our problem is the whole persona that the six-pack has as a board. That board started because a group of guys wanted to bitch freely and gene wouldn't allow it. The vast majority of the people that post there take on that mentality and it turns into a competition over who can be the biggest bitcher. Many of them have probably never played an organized sport and have no understanding of football, baseball, or basketball which makes the situation worse. I used to really enjoy that board outside of the constant complaining because it had other good qualities, but the negatives are outweighing the positives at this point.
ed zachery. I pray to high heaven that every Miss St sports fan reads and understands your post. thanks you for bringing a real life and honest perspective to this ongoing debate that's lasted at least 10 years within the Miss St fan base.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachcamp
Just in case anyone missed it... POSTS ON MESSAGE BOARDS DO MATTER. If you don't believe me, ask Elijah's father.
Looks like this settles it then. Thank you Coach. Maybe you should post this on the other MSU boards for us so they will listen.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachcamp
That board was also started in a totally different era as far as social media. Facebook, twitter, etc. all of that stuff was in it's infancy or didn't even exist when sixpack started. And with that, college football recruiting has changed a lot too.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlSwearengen
It's not just a sixpack exclusive problem though- Paul also really needs to take a look at how he polices his board. He doesn't allow personal insults, unless you're one of a select few posters who apparently have a longer leash than others- but he also in my opinion should consider people bashing recruits as "personal insults" too- even though the recruit may not actually post on his board.
Just watched your son's highlights the other day. He's gonna look mighty good wearing that maroon and white. Those shoes he wore at BDC were mighty flashy too....lol. Thanks for the opportunity to share the ride with you and your son. As mention before, it is a eye opener to see recruiting from a different angle.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachcamp