Sunday Morning QB- Judgement Day Edition

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

That being said, I expect a shit show where we don't get as many young guys reps Bc we fiddle fart around out there for 4 quarters.

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Shit, I hope not. I'll be very disappointed if we don't come out and look dominating in the first half.

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Originally Posted by EnterpriseDawg

That's the problem I have. Had Miles kept them balanced like he did in the first 2 series this game would have never gotten close. It seemed we only started doing well defensively when we were cheating up on the line to stop the run. It didn't look like we had improved from week 1 to week 2 in pass defense. I sure hope I'm wrong, but at this point I'll be happy with 7 wins. We are who the media said we were.

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the Reason for the first 2 series being successful was the short field. In part from our shitty offense and equally shitty punts. We actually stopped them once and the pitiful holding call bailed them out. When they had to go the full length of the field they weren't very efficient.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

Don't you Guys think that LSU is good enough to make you one dimensional? They took away the run and put their best Linebacker as a spy on Dak. They Run blitzed the shit out of Us. When we went to a hurry up with short passes we were very successful. Our strength this year is Dak and our WRs . i would like for Ross to catch a short pass than Shump to run into the teeth of a loaded box. Our hurry up was kicking their ass until Dan had to be Dan and got us the delay penalty. If we had hurried up we could picked up some precious yards and Bell wouldn't have trotted his no-kicking ass out there.

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Of course they are. But at least make them prove it. We didn't even try to run it with our best option.

I'm sure every team tries to make Russell Wilson beat them by stopping Seattle's run game, but you don't see Seattle quit giving Lynch carries. Because eventually playmakers make plays.

Not only that...the lack of even attempting to run the ball with Dak, also hurt us in the play action game, and hurt Shumpert Bc the D was keying on him in run situations. And by Dak not scrambling a single time, they kept more guys in coverage, which could have prevented a big pass play or two. It's a domino effect when you abandon the identity and focal point of what makes your offense go. If that makes sense. That's my issue with it anyway.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

Don't you Guys think that LSU is good enough to make you one dimensional? They took away the run and put their best Linebacker as a spy on Dak. They Run blitzed the shit out of Us. When we went to a hurry up with short passes we were very successful. Our strength this year is Dak and our WRs . i would like for Ross to catch a short pass than Shump to run into the teeth of a loaded box. Our hurry up was kicking their ass until Dan had to be Dan and got us the delay penalty. If we had hurried up we could picked up some precious yards and Bell wouldn't have trotted his no-kicking ass out there.

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Your point is somewhat valid, but we could have spread the field on LSU out of the gate to force them to make personnel changes, or create mismatches with their LBs. That is all on Dan, plus when your OL is a little suspect, it's important to move the pocket, create open space. The spread is perfect for covering up OL deficiencies. That's exactly what Bucky does.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

the Reason for the first 2 series being successful was the short field. In part from our shitty offense and equally shitty punts. We actually stopped them once and the pitiful holding call bailed them out. When they had to go the full length of the field they weren't very efficient.

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Yea our punt game has officially reached the point of being a weakness. In fact, outside of Graves, our Special Teams is just a damn joke. I can't believe we have two talented guys like Cooke and Bell were coming out of highschool, and they can't make a FG, punt the ball, or kick it through the endzone. That's why I would have sent Graves out regardless on the game winner...I can live with being short if it's straight... Bell shanked it twice AND was short. Smh

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

the Reason for the first 2 series being successful was the short field. In part from our shitty offense and equally shitty punts. We actually stopped them once and the pitiful holding call bailed them out. When they had to go the full length of the field they weren't very efficient.

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Besides the play action pass that went for a touchdown that got called back for a holding penalty. They could have done a lot more with play action. Just saying that after they got on top, they went vanilla in my opinion. I did like the fact that Dak was tearing up the secondary of LSU (who is suppose to be very talented) in the 4th quarter. WRs were getting open and the line was holding long enough. It's gonna be interesting down the stretch. Just hoping that we can get things cleaned up, but at this moment it just seems too much to overcome.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We were scared to blitz more because if we missed #7- he was gone

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I understand that, but there were several big 3rd downs we did not blitz, maybe we sent 5 but thats not manny diaz. I have a guy that starts on the OL for La Tech and he told me friday night that manny, on every 3rd down sent all kind of creative blitzes.


Mullen has been here a while now, and we have ran the SAME DEFENSE EVERY YEAR. While having multiple DCs. I think the mullen calling shots on d rumor is more than a rumor

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Originally Posted by EnterpriseDawg

Besides the play action pass that went for a touchdown that got called back for a holding penalty. They could have done a lot more with play action. Just saying that after they got on top, they went vanilla in my opinion. I did like the fact that Dak was tearing up the secondary of LSU (who is suppose to be very talented) in the 4th quarter. WRs were getting open and the line was holding long enough. It's gonna be interesting down the stretch. Just hoping that we can get things cleaned up, but at this moment it just seems too much to overcome.

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they went Vanilla because Les didn't trust His QB. He knew his best chance to win with a 14 point lead was to run 7. All we needed was a pick six. Les was scared to throw, he knows what His QB is capable of.He needed all 3 downs of running to make sure of a first down. A sack or an in-completion would put them in the hole.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Yea our punt game has officially reached the point of being a weakness. In fact, outside of Graves, our Special Teams is just a damn joke. I can't believe we have two talented guys like Cooke and Bell were coming out of highschool, and they can't make a FG, punt the ball, or kick it through the endzone. That's why I would have sent Graves out regardless on the game winner...I can live with being short if it's straight... Bell shanked it twice AND was short. Smh

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the thing that drives Me crazy is we don't field punts. In not catching a punt we get the field flipped on Us. You don't have to return the punt just catch the M'FER. Our High School Coach would bench any punt returner that did not catch the punt. Hell that is what fair catches are for.Don't try and block a punt use your linemen and outside Men to hold the kickers up and give your PR-man a chance to field the punt.

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Originally Posted by GTHOM

I understand that, but there were several big 3rd downs we did not blitz, maybe we sent 5 but thats not manny diaz. I have a guy that starts on the OL for La Tech and he told me friday night that manny, on every 3rd down sent all kind of creative blitzes.


Mullen has been here a while now, and we have ran the SAME DEFENSE EVERY YEAR. While having multiple DCs. I think the mullen calling shots on d rumor is more than a rumor

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I belive it is more than a rumor also. I talked with a guy that was very close to the program recently and he said that Dan is very hard to work with and work for. He said its Dans way or the highway.

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Originally Posted by Treemydawg

I belive it is more than a rumor also. I talked with a guy that was very close to the program recently and he said that Dan is very hard to work with and work for. He said its Dans way or the highway.

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It's like a time warp to the Hud for coach year. How many times was this brought up then? And last year when we were searching for a DC, Mullen ran off Collins!!! Let's see we have Hevasey, Knox, Sallach, Hughes (who can get a job for just about any SEC school but most definitely at UNM at any time) all have been here since year 1. Turner has been here 4 of the years and this is a second tour of duty for him. Les was here for 5 years before getting his one year in TX and retiring I believe. Gonzales in his 3rd after having coached with Mullen for several years. And of course Diaz also comes back for more. Sorry but that is a lot of guys who have stayed a long time under Mullen. Not to mention the number of head coaches in Power 5 conferences who are known as hard to work for outweigh the easy going head coaches probably by a pretty big margin.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

It's like a time warp to the Hud for coach year. How many times was this brought up then? And last year when we were searching for a DC, Mullen ran off Collins!!! Let's see we have Hevasey, Knox, Sallach, Hughes (who can get a job for just about any SEC school but most definitely at UNM at any time) all have been here since year 1. Turner has been here 4 of the years and this is a second tour of duty for him. Les was here for 5 years before getting his one year in TX and retiring I believe. Gonzales in his 3rd after having coached with Mullen for several years. And of course Diaz also comes back for more. Sorry but that is a lot of guys who have stayed a long time under Mullen.

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I dont give a rats ass about how long theyve stayed, i know the scheme and the product on the field on D has been he exact same with multiple DCs. I dont care if he is hard to work for or a saint, if were going to be what we say we are he needs to let manny do his thing. Dans way has been pure garbage for the last 4 good teams we have played.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

It's like a time warp to the Hud for coach year. How many times was this brought up then? And last year when we were searching for a DC, Mullen ran off Collins!!! Let's see we have Hevasey, Knox, Sallach, Hughes (who can get a job for just about any SEC school but most definitely at UNM at any time) all have been here since year 1. Turner has been here 4 of the years and this is a second tour of duty for him. Les was here for 5 years before getting his one year in TX and retiring I believe. Gonzales in his 3rd after having coached with Mullen for several years. And of course Diaz also comes back for more. Sorry but that is a lot of guys who have stayed a long time under Mullen. Not to mention the number of head coaches in Power 5 conferences who are known as hard to work for outweigh the easy going head coaches probably by a pretty big margin.

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I'm not saying you are right or wrong about the guys that have been here a while, but I will say that I 100% belive who I was talking with when he told me what experiences he had working with Dan. To sum it up you need to be a yes man. Go along to get along.

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Originally Posted by GTHOM

I dont give a rats ass about how long theyve stayed, i know the scheme and the product on the field on D has been he exact same with multiple DCs. I dont care if he is hard to work for or a saint, if were going to be what we say we are he needs to let manny do his thing. Dans way has been pure garbage for the last 4 good teams we have played.

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You know Manny and Wilson developed this defense right? That even with Collins when Manny came back a lot of the terminology was the same as when he set it up before. That is per Manny. Now if you want to complain about it, take it up with Manny or you don't like the game plans, the blame goes there mostly. If you don't like bend but don't break then you don't like the 2010 defense Manny ran then as well. There have been differences but the philosophy and playbook is mostly developed by Manny and Wilson when they were hired the first time.

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Originally Posted by Treemydawg

I'm not saying you are right or wrong about the guys that have been here a while, but I will say that I 100% belive who I was talking with when he told me what experiences he had working with Dan. To sum it up you need to be a yes man. Go along to get along.

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He may be difficult, how long of a list do we need to make of hard to get along with head coaches. That is almost a prerequisite. My point usually if it is so bad you see a lot of turn over unless the coaches are winning a lot of games and it sets the assistant up for a bigger job. We just don't have a lot of turnover at the coaching positions and we are not necessarily sending guys to bigger jobs every year either.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

the thing that drives Me crazy is we don't field punts. In not catching a punt we get the field flipped on Us. You don't have to return the punt just catch the M'FER. Our High School Coach would bench any punt returner that did not catch the punt. Hell that is what fair catches are for.Don't try and block a punt use your linemen and outside Men to hold the kickers up and give your PR-man a chance to field the punt.

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This times a thousand. I am not worried so much about punting from this game - most of our punts and kickoffs were toward the north endzone into a stiff breeze. Our punt return team kills us though. We don't catch the ball - we let it roll - and end up starting deep into our own territory. And when we do try to catch the ball, we aren't very sure-handed. Ross didn't fumble any against LSU, but he bobbled a couple.

Kick return coverage improved drastically from week 1 to week 2. But we really need a dedicated special teams coach to fix all of it.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

He may be difficult, how long of a list do we need to make of hard to get along with head coaches. That is almost a prerequisite. My point usually if it is so bad you see a lot of turn over unless the coaches are winning a lot of games and it sets the assistant up for a bigger job. We just don't have a lot of turnover at the coaching positions and we are not necessarily sending guys to bigger jobs every year either.

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Look I don't know anything about the HUD for coach year. I have never called for HUD to be hired or Mullen to be fired. "We" aren't making a list of hard to get along with coaches. If you want to throw a blanket statement like that out there to lump me into some sort of group on this message board fine. Go right ahead, but all I did was pass on some first hand info from someone previously with the program daily about what GTHOM said was a rumor. If you have first hand info from someone within the program stating otherwise share it, but don't try lumping me into some group of people who have posted things on here you don't agree with simply because you don't agree with what I passed along from someone who has worked with Mullen.

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Originally Posted by Treemydawg

Look I don't know anything about the HUD for coach year. I have never called for HUD to be hired or Mullen to be fired. "We" aren't making a list of hard to get along with coaches. If you want to throw a blanket statement like that out there to lump me into some sort of group on this message board fine. Go right ahead, but all I did was pass on some first hand info from someone previously with the program daily about what GTHOM said was a rumor. If you have first hand info from someone within the program stating otherwise share it, but don't try lumping me into some group of people who have posted things on here you don't agree with simply because you don't agree with what I passed along from someone who has worked with Mullen.

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Mullen himself has said that he was too much of an SOB his first couple of years here. Said he eventually learned that he had to ease up a little and let the assistants have a day off once a week and go home at a reasonable hour once or twice a week.

I think Manny has plenty of latitude in running the defense. You'll see him being more aggressive once he figures out what different guys can do. Dan knows Manny can run a defense. He may have been more involved when Wilson and Collins were new to running a defense.

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Originally Posted by Treemydawg

Look I don't know anything about the HUD for coach year. I have never called for HUD to be hired or Mullen to be fired. "We" aren't making a list of hard to get along with coaches. If you want to throw a blanket statement like that out there to lump me into some sort of group on this message board fine. Go right ahead, but all I did was pass on some first hand info from someone previously with the program daily about what GTHOM said was a rumor. If you have first hand info from someone within the program stating otherwise share it, but don't try lumping me into some group of people who have posted things on here you don't agree with simply because you don't agree with what I passed along from someone who has worked with Mullen.

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What dancing said is what most know of the story of him being hard on coaches. Whether or not you were part of that crowd it's been harped on before with very little substance. Coaches know they are going to work for some hard heads a lot this line of business. And that's mostly because they are hardheaded SOB's as well. It is a huge segment of the employee base and if you can't handle it they are rode out pretty quickly. I know several who have worked with Mullen and his wife outside of football and say that they both are great to work with. I know several inside the program who love him. Will say he is hard at times but love him. I know of two one from outside of the program and one who was inside of the program who don't care for Mullen. One of them actually hates him but I know both sides of the situation and have settled my opinion that this guy, who I am friends with was wrong. Was there issues in handling the situation, by God yes there were. But it was on both sides and in the end Mullen did what was best for the program even though it would be hurting that relationship and possibly cause a voice of descension. Tough call but the right one IMO. But he is not running off coaches because he is too hard and he is not running the defense either. He just doesn't have time for that.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

(this is being written after being at the game- and I have yet to read a newspaper article or much of anything)

1. Couldnt have asked for a more perfect day for football. The tailgate was set up perfectly and we had steaks flown in from Chicago. Great group of people and a good time was had until we headed into the stadium.

2. I hate our new offense. I dont know if one of the conditions for Prescott to return for a 5th year was that we phase out a good bit of the QB runs- but this shit aint cutting it. Prescott has basically 15 carries in our first two games. Thats not cutting it. He should be carrying it 15 times per game on the average. That is what the run game is predicated on- using the QB as a running threat to outnumber the defense in the box. If Dakota doesnt want to run- put Fitz in some and let him run. Our run game sux right now- and it not just on the OL. Our scheme needs to be tweaked some. And I'll get to our RB's shortly.

3. This is our 3rd SEC game in a row Mullen has been outcoached in the 1st half (Bammer, Northern Miss, and LSU). Steele and Orgeron got ya Dan. They overloaded one side once to outnumber our blockers and got a sack, they ran wide twists and blitzed a LB when we went 5 wide to screw up our protection. 52 passes? No. Just no. Hayyyyyyyyle no. Get better Mullen- either you have been figured out and need to make some changes- OR- you need to do a better job of scouting and projecting how teams are going to make adjustments to you for games. Thats 3 straight dog shit gameplans v SEC teams. 2nd half adjustments? You do a good job. A Really good job- but we are losing games because our 1st half performances are so bad right now.

Also Mullen, you have to call time out with 8 seconds left in the game and avoid your team get a delay of game penalty. That is Les Miles bad. No excuse for that. None. You ****ed up and failed as a coach right there. I know good and well with 3 offensive coaches on the headset somebody knew the play clock was running down- and if they didnt- thats even worse. Colossal **** up.

4. You are only as good as your best players play. Dakota Prescott is not running the ball and using his legs to make plays. Prescott is not making the critical throw to a wide open Shumpert to tie the game on the 2 point conversion. That pass was awful and should have been an easy throw- it was a very good playcall and Shump was open. Prescott did not see the play clock running down with the game on the line and endured a soul crushing penalty when we couldve avoided it. Fred Ross played very well- but when we needed him to make a critical catch inside the 10 in the 1st half- he dropped it and didnt make the play. The hit didnt make him drop it- he turned his head before looking it all the way in and dropped it. Then he got hit. Bennie Brown and Richie cant miss tackles. Coman cant go for the ball not get there on an LSU pass- when instead he should have tried to lay the wood on the WR to make that SOB drop it and fear the middle. Instead Coman just misses the ball, LSU WR catches it, and they score a TD on the next play. Your best players have to make the plays

5. Our OL struggled in the 1st half- but played alot better in the 2nd. Very excited by the growth in the 2nd half. This group will continue to improve- but needs help with scheme and better RB's. Warren cant whiff on a cut block to cost us a sack- but I must say he did alot better job in the 2nd picking up the twists and stunts.

6. I cant understand why Lee and Williams arent ready to play more than they do. We put Lee in for one play to catch a pass- he did- and then lowered his shoulders for a solid gain. We ran Williams once when Prescott should have kept it- and Williams lost yardage. Wasnt his fault it was a poor playcall or that Prescott made the incorrect read. Brandon Holloway is our best RB right now- and that is sad. We cant get 4-star RB's ready to play by their 2nd year of college. We cant get Gerri Green reps at LB hardly as talented as he is. If other teams can get their talented guys on the field early- so can we- if they are being coached well enough. Lee and Williams not being ready is on the coaching staff- not them.

7. #7 for LSU is soooo damn talented. We began diving and grabbing legs because that is the best way to tackle him. He is such a talent. It's fun to watch someone like that- because they dont come around all that often.

8. It took us until the 2nd half to start getting the ball to Derunnya again. Thats bullshit. Do what it takes to get the ball to your best players.

9. Redmond is working his way into Round 1 next April. He is a star out there. Jones and James battled their asses off. AJ and Ry were really good in spurts. Bennie and Richie are really good in spurts. Got to keep battling.

10. The defensive holding penalty in the 1st Quarter on us looked to be bullshit. The guy on their sideline called it. The TE was on that side and he wasnt held- then we jumped #7 on the screen they were running. Awful, awful call that allowed them to keep the ball instead of punting- and led to their 1st TD. Game changing call.

11. Our staff is one of the best at evaluating talent- but are they really good coaches? We cant get talented RB's on the field in their 2nd season. We make baffling calls. We got a delay of game penalty at the most critical juncture of the game. We cant adjust our gameplan during the 1st half on offense- and have to wait until halftime to make adjustments. We have a draft pick at WR that we cant even get the ball to in the 1st half so far this season.

12. All is not lost on this season. We HAVE to win at Auburn. HAVE TO. So what needs to happen in these two weeks to give us the best chance of winning there? We need to play the hell out of Lee and Williams this Saturday. They are the longterm solution at RB- get them reps and get them ready. Play Gerri Green and Dez Harris at LB for 90% of the snaps Saturday. Let the Brown Brothers play a couple series and then help coach those guys the rest of the game. Play our 2nd DL 75% of the game. Get them live rep after rep and force them to get better. I dont care if we beat NW State by 10 points- play these other guys and get them ready. Go back to making Prescott play like he did last year. We are a Spread Option offense- run it like its supposed to be. Cardale Jones ran it 6 times yesterday in a blowout for Ohio state- your telling me Prescott only should run it 6 times vs LSU???? LSU is a 10 win team- they are physical, have the best RB in the SEC, are improved defensively, and will get better at QB each week. A made FG at the end would have beaten them. Lets dust ourselves off, get our heads up, and get better these next 2 weeks. All is not lost by any means. Let's get the changes made so we can get back on track.

13. Kudos to the person in charge of the music at the game. I appreciate you playing Bulls on Parade 3 times in the 1st half. Elitedawgs leading the way again.

14. This not hindsight is 20/20- We were on the 29 yard line. Mullen called Prescott over to talk to him. Why not run Prescott on the power play to get a couple yards and then bring in Graves for a 44 yard FG attempt? We had a timeout. Tell Prescott to get in the middle of the field and get a couple yards. Graves has been solid so far and should be able to hit from 43-44 yards. You cant screw that situation up and then have an erratic kicker kicking a 52 yard FG with the game on the line. You just cant do that. Thats not giving your team the best chance to win as a coach. I could live with Graves missing a FG from the middle of the field from 44 yards out or so. I have a hard time living with Bell missing from 52 with the game on the line. A hard time.

Lets see what happens the next 2 weeks- the coaches have work to do.

C34

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Bingo!

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Originally Posted by GTHOM

I dont give a rats ass about how long theyve stayed, i know the scheme and the product on the field on D has been he exact same with multiple DCs. I dont care if he is hard to work for or a saint, if were going to be what we say we are he needs to let manny do his thing. Dans way has been pure garbage for the last 4 good teams we have played.

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It is pretty clear that Mullen has a defensive philosophy that he is partial to, and he hires his defensive coordinators accordingly....but I'd be willing to bet that he is not dictating the defensive calls in the game.