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Originally Posted by RC3

Agreed. They will be good but that's not who I was referring to when I stated there are at least two elite d lines on our schedule. That would be bama and ole miss (duck and cover as you guys throw rotten fruit at me)

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Oh, I know. I was just talking about the people panicking about the OL and the LSU game.

I can agree with what you said about facing better.... We are in the sec west.

But let me add this. We face better last year and was very successful. We had 2 games that struggled with. None really an ol problem.

Now let's look at the over all picture. First our defense sees this offense every day. They have one up on any other defense we will face. Second, we did well vs those other defenses and we replace the losses with better talent. That means the ol should be improved. I have zero concern right now.

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Originally Posted by RC3

Engie I read what you said. The fact that they may be struggling with our DL shouldn't necessarily be an indictment on their ability. I get that. My point was that I think they will see at least two DLs better than ours and those are must win games to get to ATL

I'm not saying that I think they are bad. I'm
Not saying that I think they are good. We just simply must wait and see. I hope you are right. That they exceed last years group (they will need to to get us to ATL) and that we have the most productive offense the SEC has ever seen. It's
Not reasonable imo to have that expectation right now until we see them perform

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I would disagree with your assertion that our OL played well against elite DL last year

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Haha, y'all think Doering was told something like that by people "inside the program"? Bull. Shit.

So we told a nobody from Florida, but DIDN'T tell McElroy, or any of the legit SECN guys?

Let me tell you what happened. Bo Bounds talked to Doering about us having to replace some O-Lineman, and that transformed into "people inside MSU's program say the OL will be down".

Y'all are crazy if you take these comments to heart, and I'm usually one of our most skeptical fans that keeps my expectations tempered. I DO think our fan base needs to temper things slightly, but not Bc of Chris effing Doering. He's a nobody that knows nothing.

Our OL will be fine, Bc it's about scheme and assignments, not blowing people off the ball. So we'll stay fine at OL. We will likely take a small step back in our DL, simply due to depth, but our OL is FINE. Besides, nothing helps an OL like a good passing game, a dual threat QB, and the ability to be multiple at RB.

The OP in this thread is very misleading too...that's not what Doering said. But again, who cares what Doering said?

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Ha, that's probably to a tee what happened.

I HAVE talked to someone inside our program- our OL is going to be fine.

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Originally Posted by RC3

I would disagree with your assertion that our OL played well against elite DL last year

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Name one game that the ol did not do well enough to win.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I HAVE talked to someone inside our program- our OL is going to be fine.

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Funny thing is, I had these same concerns going into last season. discussed it here and you said not to worry. You ended up being right last year. While they weren't fantastic, they were above average

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Originally Posted by Coach

Name one game that the ol did not do well enough to win.

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They did not play that well against ole miss or bama. I'm not saying it is the sole and only reason we lost those games and if we changed a few things here and there (a lot of that is on coaching/gameplan) we would've possibly had better outcomes in those games

Our OL was dogshit against Northern Miss in the 1st half last year. We were poorly prepared for all their stunts and slanting. Worst job Hev has done in his 6 years getting our guys ready

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Originally Posted by RC3

They did not play that well against ole miss or bama. I'm not saying it is the sole and only reason we lost those games and if we changed a few things here and there (a lot of that is on coaching/gameplan) we would've possibly had better outcomes in those games

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We definitely didn't play our best games against those teams but not taking advantage of opportunities were the biggest reason we lost those games. We had over 400yds of offense both games so we moved the ball just didn't capitalize when we had chances.

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Originally Posted by RC3

They did not play that well against ole miss or bama. I'm not saying it is the sole and only reason we lost those games and if we changed a few things here and there (a lot of that is on coaching/gameplan) we would've possibly had better outcomes in those games

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But the point you are making....... Nm

The ol played well enough that we could have won those 2 games. It. was errors in other areas that cost us. In Bama, it was turn overs while in their red zone or close to it. The point is that we had a ol that was good enough. Now we have better talent. We should be improved

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Originally Posted by Coach

But the point you are making....... Nm

The ol played well enough that we could have won those 2 games. It. was errors in other areas that cost us. In Bama, it was turn overs while in their red zone or close to it. The point is that we had a ol that was good enough. Now we have better talent. We should be improved

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I wouldn't necesarily disagree with you when you say that they played well enough to win those games. That's probably true. I thought the play calling in both games fed into both of our opponents defensive strengths as well

It's on the internet, so it must be true. Really and truly, we should totally overreact and just cancel the season.**

In all seriousness, Nick James, Chris Jones and Co. will pressure a lot of lines. It aint just ours in practice.

He's just trying to justify his 6-6 prediction. He is hinting vaguely that it came from our coaches which just doesn't add up given our policy with the media.

Nothing to see.

If your offense is not struggling against your defense that sees you every single day in practice then you are in for a very long year. I remember when Tebow was at Florida they talked about how they could barely move the football against their 1's in practice. The defense knows what play is coming. They've only seen our plays ten million times. Manny Diaz is extremely confident in our defense publically, which should tell you everything you need to know about our defense. If the guys like Paul, Steve, Logan, Bonner, etc aren't getting real info on our players I guarantee you that some sec network guy that has probably been to Starkville once in his entire life isn't getting info on our players.

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Originally Posted by RC3

Interior. I want to be upfront that I have no personal knowledge. Just something I heard from someone more tied in than me

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The only conceivable liability on the interior of our line is if Clayborn is struggling to handle the transition to center. If so, that is a problem and something that can only be solved by multiple repititions both during and after practice. Otherwise, we should be good to go. All 3 starters are proven commodities, with 2 of 3 in Clayborn and Malone having potential of being drafted, and the 3rd is Desper who has looked solid also whenever he has been out there. The absolute worst our OL could be this year should still be top half of the SEC unless we just have a rash of injuries and lose 3 or 4 guys.

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Originally Posted by engie

All circumstantial evidence points to our OL being at least as good as it was last year -- and deeper.

This stuff is not hard to see and project. How many years in a row are guys going to worry about this before they just accept that Hevesy is going to have a good enough OL every year? If the defense gets it together on a 2010 level -- we are going to have a very, very special season.

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Hevesy's guys always improve as the year goes on. Even early in his tenure when he had a lot of 'bad' talent he made them viable by mid-year. This is a different situation that seems more manageable. We should be strong along the front sooner rather than later into the season.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

If your offense is not struggling against your defense that sees you every single day in practice then you are in for a very long year. I remember when Tebow was at Florida they talked about how they could barely move the football against their 1's in practice. The defense knows what play is coming. They've only seen our plays ten million times. Manny Diaz is extremely confident in our defense publically, which should tell you everything you need to know about our defense. If the guys like Paul, Steve, Logan, Bonner, etc aren't getting real info on our players I guarantee you that some sec network guy that has probably been to Starkville once in his entire life isn't getting info on our players.

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Hammer meet nail. Spot on. The D sees these plays over and over everyday. They know the playbook and every offensive tendency we have as well as the O does. I would be more worried if the D wasn't winning more than losing at this point.

Until proven otherwise, offensive line is a valid concern. I have no concerns about the rest of the team, but offensive line concerns me, seeing as how I consider it the most important piece of the team.

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Originally Posted by Schultzy

Sell, that guy has no inside to this stealth program and Hev likes this group.

He's throwing darts w a blind fold on.

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That's what I was thinking. Am I imagining things or didn't Hev (someone) say that the O-line was surprisingly good this year or something to that extent?

Our OL is still working to gel- but it's a more physical group than last year's was.

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Originally Posted by 5 Star

Until proven otherwise, offensive line is a valid concern. I have no concerns about the rest of the team, but offensive line concerns me, seeing as how I consider it the most important piece of the team.

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And again, I think this is reasonable in general, but when looking at Mullen's tenure, it's hard for me to get very concerned about the OL. Just about every line we've had under him has been fine, so until this one is not, I won't worry about it.

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Originally Posted by 5 Star

Until proven otherwise, offensive line is a valid concern. I have no concerns about the rest of the team, but offensive line concerns me, seeing as how I consider it the most important piece of the team.

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I agree. I think we're pretty solid everywhere else, except maybe our kicking game. I hope it has improved a lot.

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Originally Posted by smootness

And again, I think this is reasonable in general, but when looking at Mullen's tenure, it's hard for me to get very concerned about the OL. Just about every line we've had under him has been fine, so until this one is not, I won't worry about it.

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I don't know why so many of our "fans" can't grasp this. I'll get worried when we don't field a viable OL. Considering that hasn't happened in 6 seasons, it's much more reasonable to believe our OL will be good than to believe it will suck. I'm convinced about half these posters are trolls.

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

I don't know why so many of our "fans" can't grasp this. I'll get worried when we don't field a viable OL. Considering that hasn't happened in 6 seasons, it's much more reasonable to believe our OL will be good than to believe it will suck. I'm convinced about half these posters are trolls.

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I guess it's taking some of these guys longer than it took me to realize it....and it took me a while. I was skeptical of our OL talent for several years, but it stopped last season. And the reason why, was because no matter how much I kept questioning it, Hev and the OL kept proving me wrong by running it on everybody and preventing sacks. At the end of the day, we can "assume", "worry", "question", and "doubt" all we want...but if history is a lesson, Hevesy will just keep making us look stupid for doing it. So I no longer worry at all about our OL. They'll have to give me a reason to doubt them, Bc I have total faith in Hevesy at this point. And I could not say that for many many years. They'll all come around when we're stout again this year on the OL.

Didn't hurt that both UNM and Bama we decided to take a long bus ride to the stadium gameday as opposed to staying in town. Looked like our entire team had a lag because of it.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I guess it's taking some of these guys longer than it took me to realize it....and it took me a while. I was skeptical of our OL talent for several years, but it stopped last season. And the reason why, was because no matter how much I kept questioning it, Hev and the OL kept proving me wrong by running it on everybody and preventing sacks. At the end of the day, we can "assume", "worry", "question", and "doubt" all we want...but if history is a lesson, Hevesy will just keep making us look stupid for doing it. So I no longer worry at all about our OL. They'll have to give me a reason to doubt them, Bc I have total faith in Hevesy at this point. And I could not say that for many many years. They'll all come around when we're stout again this year on the OL.

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I think we'll be fine on the oline. My worry is if they'll be ready to roll week 2 though.

My bigger concern for week 2 is how well our dline is gonna hold up in the 3rd and 4th quarters tackling LF.

I'm gonna worry. If you don't have an worries coming into the year, you're either more plugged in than me or drinking kool aid. I think all teams have legitimate worries entering a season

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Originally Posted by archdog

Didn't hurt that both UNM and Bama we decided to take a long bus ride to the stadium gameday as opposed to staying in town. Looked like our entire team had a lag because of it.

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Excellent point that isn't talked about nearly enough. And don't even get me started on Mullen letting the team go home for Thanksgiving.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I think we'll be fine on the oline. My worry is if they'll be ready to roll week 2 though.

My bigger concern for week 2 is how well our dline is gonna hold up in the 3rd and 4th quarters tackling LF.

I'm gonna worry. If you don't have an worries coming into the year, you're either more plugged in than me or drinking kool aid. I think all teams have legitimate worries entering a season

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Yes, all teams have concerns going into a new season, but for some reason, all those other teams are projected to win the West, get in the playoff..etc. But not poor little MSU. We suck until the end of time according to the media.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Our OL was dogshit against Northern Miss in the 1st half last year. We were poorly prepared for all their stunts and slanting. Worst job Hev has done in his 6 years getting our guys ready

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Gonna have to disagree.

It was an entire scheme problem in Oxford last year. Arkansas gave the blueprint the week before. Also it's historically true. Run right at them.

They had 2 DE's under 220. wing opposite, motion toward that 200 Lb'er they had and pound their ass. But no, we run wide and bounce shit.

Alabama beats their ass if they keep running right at them. So would we, but for some reason didn't.

The Arky plan will beat them this year.

That, and stopping seam passes. The only big passing plays they have had under Freezus.

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Originally Posted by jumbo

Who the hell is Chris Doring and how would he have "inside connections" to our program?

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Who are the people on the inside?

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Originally Posted by mstatefan91

Yes, all teams have concerns going into a new season, but for some reason, all those other teams are projected to win the West, get in the playoff..etc. But not poor little MSU. We suck until the end of time according to the media.

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And if we beat LSU they will be all over LSU about how down they are.

Some of you guys need to get on board. Hevesy has produced even when he had shit to work with in the past. We have more talent now then he di when he started. He does more with less then any other position during the Mullen era. We will be fine this year, because we have talent then he has had in the last 7 years.

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Originally Posted by archdog

Didn't hurt that both UNM and Bama we decided to take a long bus ride to the stadium gameday as opposed to staying in town. Looked like our entire team had a lag because of it.

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I do hope that we evaluate that better going forward. I'm in agreement with you that our team would likely perform better if they stayed somewhere overnight that is closer rather than going down on gameday. I've ridden buses many times- especially when I was about the age of our football players. And I remember feeling lagged and tired personally.

We could very easily do Meridian or Birmingham for Alabama and we could do Tupelo for Ole Miss- although I think Jackie had us staying in Grenada sometimes. Probably to get game plan ideas from Coach34.

And as WMD mentioned- us taking Thanksgiving completely off a couple of days before the biggest football game in Mississippi was just stupid. The conspiracy theorist in me wants to hope that it was a ploy by Scott and Dan to have our team come out flat, but still win in hopes of convincing our fans to move the Egg Bowl to Thanksgiving Day.

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Originally Posted by Thick

Some of you guys need to get on board. Hevesy has produced even when he had shit to work with in the past. We have more talent now then he di when he started. He does more with less then any other position during the Mullen era. We will be fine this year, because we have talent then he has had in the last 7 years.

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I agree. People need to quit paying attention to stars with offensive linemen moreso than any other position. Hevesey has a good idea for talent and also for what he wants to work with. Derek Sherrod and Gabe Jackson were high draft picks that he coached for us. And it's pretty rare for our o-line guys that start to not get at least a free agent look in the NFL.

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Originally Posted by RC3

Interior. I want to be upfront that I have no personal knowledge. Just something I heard from someone more tied in than me

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Yep, just like "shots fired were heard" few days ago.

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Excellent point that isn't talked about nearly enough. And don't even get me started on Mullen letting the team go home for Thanksgiving.

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Because it was a non factor.

Tuscaloosa is an easy, 4 lane 70-80 minute drive. Unless we had a bus break down and we had to rush off the bus and onto the field for kickoff, it didnt factor.

EB, there isn't a hotel anywhere around North MS that is as comfortable as our own beds and can feed the team like MSU. Not to mention meeting rooms and etc.

All day long, everyday this will hold true. We are in the sec west. Somebody will always be a hard match up. Always. Bama slowed our run. We had to fight through that. Same with ole miss.

That's when great coaching and players step up. In those games, we did not do that. Dak mismanaged the game in t town. You won't play Bama and win with those type of turnovers. Vs gt, Lewis dropped pass after pass...

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Haha, y'all think Doering was told something like that by people "inside the program"? Bull. Shit.

So we told a nobody from Florida, but DIDN'T tell McElroy, or any of the legit SECN guys?

Let me tell you what happened. Bo Bounds talked to Doering about us having to replace some O-Lineman, and that transformed into "people inside MSU's program say the OL will be down".

Y'all are crazy if you take these comments to heart, and I'm usually one of our most skeptical fans that keeps my expectations tempered. I DO think our fan base needs to temper things slightly, but not Bc of Chris effing Doering. He's a nobody that knows nothing.

Our OL will be fine, Bc it's about scheme and assignments, not blowing people off the ball. So we'll stay fine at OL. We will likely take a small step back in our DL, simply due to depth, but our OL is FINE. Besides, nothing helps an OL like a good passing game, a dual threat QB, and the ability to be multiple at RB.

The OP in this thread is very misleading too...that's not what Doering said. But again, who cares what Doering said?

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Yep. We could have a 260 lb OL and still run the ball in our set. Pass blocking may be another issue, but there are ways to make up for that. Run blocking will never be our biggest problem as long as we're running this scheme. It's too easy to work around unless you have guys that shouldn't be playing D1 football.

Pass blocking? There's no hiding that but at least we have one of, if not the, best dual threat QB in the nation taking snaps.

And once again people are overlooking one very important factor, especially for an inexperienced O Line..... A mobile QB!!! The defenses will have to play straight up, taking all 11 offensive players into account on each play. Add in the experience factor and Dak, our WR's and play calling should take enough heat off of the OL until they come together for the final playoff stretch.

Haven't we heard "Our OLine is struggling" every preseason since the beginningg of MSU football? Let's stop letting all these hot air filled talking heads and keep some reason amongst us.