Im going to give OM's defense some credit for that. They also tackled real well. They hit low and wrapped up low.
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Im going to give OM's defense some credit for that. They also tackled real well. They hit low and wrapped up low.
What? You mean Mullen doesn't pull up Elitedawgs and put in on the screen for gameplanning pregame. Damn!Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
This is just another example of Mullen shitting the bed in must win games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Nah, this is what happens when you play teams with strong defenses and armchair coaches need something to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
You can call it whatever you like but Mullen's record vs ranked opponents is still something like 5-30. Maybe worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life
"shitting the bed" isn't exactly how I'd describe Mullen's actions during big games. Offensively he showed last year that we have the potential to be the best team in the nation at times. Finishing the job, in our particular circumstances in the SEC West, can take a little longer than 5 years.
It's a damn tough hill to climb. And we're showing progress.
Mullen had a terrible gameplan vs Bama and Ole Missus to begin both games. Way too damn much sideways running.
He made really good adjustments in both games- but after wasting 2 Q's- left a huge mountain to climb in both.
1) Some of us have designed offenses and called plays- so we know wtf we are talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life
2) Malzahn put 44 on Bama and 35 Ole Missus...Ohio State put 42 on Bama...TCU put 42 on Ole Missus
1) Mullen's currently getting paid $4 million to design an offense. You're not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
2) The offense Mullen runs won two national championships at Florida, one at Ohio State and helped freakin' UTAH win a game against Bama in a bowl game. I'm quite certain Dan Mullen knows MUCH MORE about designing offenses than you do.
Grab your most comfortable chair and sit all the way down.
The Egg Bowl was 7-3 at half & we lead 10-7 with 9min left in the 3rd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Shit. The. Bed. To start both games.
Exactly- 3 points in 6 drivesQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Just saying we didn't have a huge mountain to climb & had a lead mid way thru the 3rd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
1. I gave you a 2 week time-out. Hopefully upon your return, you will have realized a message board is for talking sports and discussing everything about them. This is not Jean's Page where the Coach is always right and has never done wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life
2. Yes- Mullen makes $4 million to design our offense. And he didnt earn it in the 1st halves of either game. Very poor showings.
3. Yes, Mullen does know football than me- how much? We dont know. But I have had college coaches ask me about MY offense- so they apparently saw something I did that was pretty damn good.
4. If you gave me Tebow, The Pouncey brothers, Rainey, Demps, Harvin, Louis Murphy, Aaron Hernandez, Riley Cooper, and Deonte Thompson- my offense would have been in the top 10 in the country also.
5. Remind me how well Mullen has done against the top defenses at State? I sure remember alot of 14 and unders against them the 5 years before Dakota
This man knows what the hell he's talking about. We're a zone blocking OL. We aren't trying to blow guys off the LOS and drive them back into the LBs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins
As far as the rollout passes, I don't think we should use that a lot but I also think it has its place. I think a rollout pass is a pretty good call in the red zone when the field shrinks and it just naturally gets packed in. Now, I wouldn't call a lot of rollout passes either- like maybe two a game. And that's just to give the defense another look.
I do agree about throwing more screens. I think that's where not having Jameon may have hurt us some last year. Not having our slot WR healthy for most of the year actually probably limited us somewhat- which is kind of scary when you think about the numbers we put up anyway.
I think our offensive line will be more athletic this year with Desper instead of Beckwith and Warren at LT. What that translates into as far as the running game, I don't know- but when Desper started against Texas A&M it looked to me like we pulled him a lot in both the passing and running game. So, maybe we see more counters? We have totally different running backs too- you have the three real physical guys in Shumpert, Lee, and Williams whereas last year we had Robinson who was more an outside get to the corner guy, Shumpert as the physical guy, and Griffin as the grinder who was limited by past injuries. So, I like the skill set that we have this year coming in better personally. Especially if you add in Dear. Dak was basically our inside power runner for the most part except when Shumpert was in- and I think that caused him to get beat up a little bit. But with the guys that we have now, he almost becomes more of the outside runner- which may mean more option.
We'll have to see how it all plays out. I do think we will throw the ball more because of the WR's we have.
How can he get creative with a bunch of athletes who needed tutors, untimed tests, and prayer chains to get an 18 on their ACT?
My oldest daughter got a 29. One of my other kids only got a 22...but she was in 7th grade. And neither one of these young ladies is intellectually brilliant.
The whole point is (besides me bragging on my kids) is that it's hard to be creative and innovative with players who aren't all that bright.
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Originally Posted by Mutt the Hoople
It's OK to be proud of your daughter- and you should be. But no need to run down our football players in the process.
They haven't had any trouble picking up what Dan has asked them to do so far.
Haha guy disagrees once C34 kills himQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
No- he wanted to be a smartass and be personal instead of bolstering his arguments with stats and facts. This ain't Jean's page where the Coach is always right. Facts are that Mullen's offenses have been kicked in the teeth by good defenses. We need a little "something else" to get over the hump. Malzahn made a DB a QB and scored 44 on Bama and 35 on Ole Missus. He didn't just say "shit, they are good on defense"Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Someone missed Mutt's usual satire schtick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I think C34 is correct.
IfYouOnlyKnew deserves all the credit and support for what he has done for MSU, but he is not beyond question.
To choke down the offense so blatantly vs Olemiss and Bama is alarming. But those coaches deserve credit for gameplanning for IfYouOnlyKnew's tendencies and stubbornness. Ask Bucky what it is like to be shut down effectively almost 100% by TCU or Ohio State to get destroyed by a well coached but athletically inferior Viginia Tech team. Shit happens. The subject of this thread is legit. Another fear of mine is that IfYouOnlyKnew has his hands all over our defense. I have no way to know this and I hope Diaz gets full control, but history suggests this will not be the case. If we see two ass kicking corners (ours) playing 10 yards off the LSU receivers and Jones and James "eat space" and not get after the QB we will know that Diaz had to kneel down and kiss the ring, and we will see more of the same.
I like C34's suggestion of being less predictable and he even gave examples of what we should sprinkle in....that is what message boards are for.
Good gawd i thought i was the only one who thought the focus on defense was bullshit just because it was the party line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Mullen doesn't tell the DC what to do. That's a terrible msg board rumor that has somehow become passed off as fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by SallyStansbury
Well last year maybe he should have. And it makes me sick to say it.. End of the year our staff were ****ing moronic idiots. And that's being easy on them. It was a ****ing 4th grade circus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
No- the defense gave up 500 yards and was shitty...but dont tell me the offense is fine when we scored 3 points in the 1st half on 6 drives. Thats not "fine"- thats crap. How about scoring 17 in the 1st half and be up 17-7 entering the 2nd half???? Our offense needs a little something else- not a major change- but just a tweak. I think with the weapons we have- a commitment to the screen game could be that. A couple bubble screens, a jailbreak screen each week to Wilson, a misdirection screen to confuse the D- things to slow down defenses and make them tentative against us.Quote:
Originally Posted by gravedigger
I definitely would have liked it if Dan told Geoff to stop with the 1A/1B crap for Alabama and Ole Miss. How many TD's in those two games did the 1B's give up combined? Probably enough to make difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
Bama took advantage of the 1B once I remember for the long pass to their top WR when they moved him into the slot. They also moved him into the slot for him to take advantage of Jay Hughes. Thats the kind of stuff I want Mullen to do with Wilson this year. Be creative with what you got and use those weaponsQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Agree with Coach that we need to change things up a little. Texas Tech has run the jailbreak screen with a lot of success over the years. Our WR screens never produce more than 3 -4 yards so I think the jailbreak or even the rocket screen would be plays that will catch most SEC defenses off guard. CDM are you reading this thread?
Right. I'm with you on the screens. I love 'em. Broke my heart to see a few good ones to Perk light up the enemy only to barely ever run one again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
As to the rollouts.... I still think we should do that a little more, especially in the redzone. I also like the speed option. What I was really getting at is that part of DP's full potential is making the oppotent respect his running ability. I'm not sure an emphasis on staying in the pocket until the last possible moment creates that. Nothing irks me like a QB throwing an incomplete pass when he could've run for the first down. Or when a guy is kind of running but not tucking and throwing the coal in the engine a second or two earlier because he's trying to find someone and ends up running for 5 when could've gotten 15-20 if he'd committed to the run a couple of seconds earlier and not given the D time to contain. I'm just saying I don't really want to see us become more of a hand off or pass team even if it still more or less qualifies as the spread option. That ramps up predictability IMHO when we are not going to be blowing people off the ball with our blocking scheme.
I put the Egg Bowl offensive woes on Dak. He was rattled. Scrambled too soon. Didn't check down. I think that defense & typical Egg Bowl road atmosphere intimidated him.
Maybe some play calling can help him with that, I dunno
I don't pretend to be a great football mind so will defer to others on this, but my read was a little more basic: there are defenses you beat by running around and defenses you beat by running at. You beat the Bears by running right at them. For some reason we tried to run around them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Every player on that front 7 (or front 6) except the Mike was fast as hell. Only one of them was strong as hell. They had a DE and an NT that would be big SS's on some teams but are tiny DL. Trying to beat those guys to the sideline was some combination of stupid / crazy / arrogant. They are great at taking angles and running 5-10 yards, they aren't so great at holding their ground for 2 seconds.
As bad as the defense was it seemed more like piss poor execution (missed tackles, leaving the TE open, biting on a HB pass) than a bad game plan. I felt like we came out on offense and tried to do crazy things.
I think you're dead on. We tried to get the perimeter and get around them and it's not gonna happen, they are too fast. Their defense is small you have to run right at them. But Dan kept trying to run the edges and we paid for it. And Flab I agree with you also, Dak was visibly rattled. He called his own number way too many times and OM knew it was coming. I would love to see more play action and screens this seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by OurState
I just want to see our O-line ( or any O position for that matter ) not flinch and not draw a motion penalty or fail to execute an assignment when we are in the red zone or on drives during the late second/early third quarters. That was my biggest disappointment last year. We took spells during those junctures of the game where we were NOT relentless or lost focus.
Field position hurt us as much as anything in the Bama and UNM games and too often it was a silly procedural penalty ( or a busted play ) that caused us to go into either 2nd/3rd and long situations. If we just execute cleanly we win Bama going away and wouldn't have been in "Dak up the middle" situations against UNM. Keep the execution clean this year and we will eat clock, score with regularity and put the opposition's offense in situations where they have to press the play calling in order to keep up and that will play into Manny's defensive style.
I'm usually slower to want to change things on the basis of a few games, due to sample size. It's completely plausible that you were doing things correctly & just played poorly or had bad luck. However, it has become a trend for us to struggle to score points against Bama & show up playing like we are scared & below them.
That's the one thing about Auburn, they don't fear Bama, but we do.
IMO, to beat them this year, Mullen & the team will have to not fear losing, not fear Bama, & go for it. I thought we would do that last year, but, just like in past years, we showed up at Bryant Denny Stadium & played like their servant. I think that attitude starts from top down & that there is too much respect & respect in the football building for Bama. In order to beat them, you must not give a 17 & go out there guns a blazing & take the fight to them. Instead of doing that, we usually wait for them to punch us in the mouth & then try to hit them back.
We play Bama like a PGA golfer at the US Open that constantly leaves putts short. We simply can't win with that attitude. The same goes for playing on the road at Ole Miss. THIS MUST CHANGE!!
Last year at LSU, the team played free, easy, & was having fun...
If fixing this problem involves incorporating more screens, then I'm all for it. Most of all, we need an attitude change on what it takes to win on the road in hostile environments
MSU's 2014 offense ranks 4th all-time in the SEC in total offense- over 513 yards per game.
Dak Prescott trails only one player- Johnny Manziel- in total yards for a season in the SEC playing the 17th toughest schedule in the country.
DeRunya Wilson (11 games) vs Treadwell (9 games) side by side in 2014
Treadwell 48 receptions, 632 yards, 5 TDs, 13.2 yds per catch
Wilson 47 receptions, 680 yards, 9 TDs, 14.5 yds per catch
Wilson had less receptions for more yards and almost double in the only stat that truly matters- points scored.
MSU was the fastest-paced offense in the SEC in 2014 based on adjusted tempo. MSU runs a play every 21.3 seconds.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-foot...astest-slowest
On the money plays and critical downs DP was second among all rushers and first among quarterbacks on third down with seven touchdowns in 2014.
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Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life
I don't know that I would change the offense drastically, but I would def. throw in some wrinkles to soften the D up. We started the Bama and OM's games with our butts so tight (from the coaches down) that you couldn't have shoved a stick of double mint up there. It was ridiculous, and some of that falls on Dan, and some of it doesn't. I am almost positive that Dan didn't call Jrob over before that drive and tell him to dance around in the endzone for three seconds until he costs us 2.
That said, I think we should throw in some screens, maybe a wheel route with Holloway. Let him peel out of the back field and get down field. Then its up to Dak to try and hit him. Maybe throw in a flea flicker with Gabe, since he used to be a former QB, and should be able to make the throw with some practice. Let Malik or Lee take a direct snap here and there to throw the D off some. There's a myriad of things you can do.
I would like to see us use Gabe like we did Jameon in 2013. Throw a screen to Gabe and have him throw it back to Dak, and he usually just walks in. That play worked pretty well, especially in the red zone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pollodawg
Ran it with Gabe against A&M, good for 10-11 and a first down but their defense still had it sniffed out. It might be good for one use this year, but I don't think it'll ever be good for a homerun again like it was in 2013 and early 2014 since there's several pieces of film out there on it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by cbrunt29
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Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life