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08-03-2015, 10:04 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

We haven't had a home run threat at RB in Mullen's tenure besides Perk 1st 2yrs but we've done ok.

I don't mean home run threat like a 4.4 guy, I mean like jrob against Lsu last year. Shumpert can't break off that kinda 70 yard run. Agree?
08-03-2015, 10:05 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by TUSK

not that my opinion matters, but Shump scared me more than J Rob...

He's got to be a lot faster.

Shump is intimidating with his Predator dreads
08-03-2015, 10:10 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by TUSK

not that my opinion matters, but Shump scared me more than J Rob...

He's got to be a lot faster.

Jrob had ten times the vision of shump though, coach is right about that. I wish all of our backs nothing but the best and like them all, but as I've said before, jrob made a lot of big plays for us and we as a collective fan base are largely just dismissing the fact he is gone. He is replaceable but I have to see it first.
08-03-2015, 10:16 PM
Covercorner2

JRob is slow by SEC RB standards. He ran a 4.7 at combine. After his highlight against UK I feel like he tried to bounce runs outside too much and this lack of speed was evident. Look no further than the safety in the Bama game. I also think this is why Shump got more and more PT as time went on. Shump is faster than JRob. JRob was just hard to find in the hole and had a low center of gravity/hard to tackle.
08-03-2015, 10:17 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by confucius say

I don't mean home run threat like a 4.4 guy, I mean like jrob against Lsu last year. Shumpert can't break off that kinda 70 yard run. Agree?

I don't think Shump will be breaking a bunch of long runs but he did have a 60yd run last year. I think he can give us a couple of those this year.
08-03-2015, 10:52 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I don't think Shump will be breaking a bunch of long runs but he did have a 60yd run last year. I think he can give us a couple of those this year.

Hope so
08-03-2015, 11:31 PM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg

He ran by some guys in shorts and shirts today and didn't get tackled during a no-contact drill.

This. We'll see who's toting the rock in late October and early November. Until then, the constant back-and-forth (which I'll probably allow myself to get sucked into) is going to get old really fast.
08-03-2015, 11:55 PM
DancingRabbit

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

This. We'll see who's toting the rock in late October and early November. Until then, the constant back-and-forth (which I'll probably allow myself to get sucked into) is going to get old really fast.

I expect Shumpert or D. Lee to our primary RB. Aeris or Holloway as 3rd down backs.
08-04-2015, 12:19 AM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Covercorner2

JRob is slow by SEC RB standards. He ran a 4.7 at combine. After his highlight against UK I feel like he tried to bounce runs outside too much and this lack of speed was evident. Look no further than the safety in the Bama game. I also think this is why Shump got more and more PT as time went on. Shump is faster than JRob. JRob was just hard to find in the hole and had a low center of gravity/hard to tackle.

Shump got more carries for various reasons, first, he was/is a ton better in the pass pro game. Cue the ole miss game, Robinson got us destroyed. Second, shump is much more about team and way less about me than jrob was. Third, jrob let his early success lead to poor decisions, I.e. Trying to beat bama to the edge which got us a safety, among others. All that stuff added up. All theses reasons kept perk playing over jrob over and over and over. With all that said, it doesn't make shump an equal to running the ball. He might be a better all around back but he won't sniff jrobs production. And when he doesn't it won't be all on the oline, which probably won't be as good as last year.
08-04-2015, 12:21 AM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by DancingRabbit

I expect Shumpert or D. Lee to our primary RB. Aeris or Holloway as 3rd down backs.

Kinda my thoughts too. Except I can't see Holloway as a 3rd down back. He's too small to be effective in pass pro. He'll be an infrequent change of pace scatback. We'll probably try to run him right between the guards so he's going straight North-South with his speed and hope he'll pop off a long run. Shump is our best RB at pass pro, so I think he'd be the 3rd down back ahead of anyone. Regardless, we're going to be just fine at RB.
08-04-2015, 07:40 AM
Ralph

Shump will get more carries but I think Lee will avg 2 yds more per carry
08-04-2015, 08:09 AM
BiscuitEater

Laughable ..

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

He runs too upright and he stalls at the line of scrimmage instead of just bursting forward. Unless he's going to suddenly be able to instantly read the field he's going to have tons of 1-2 yard carries. I hope I'm wrong but I've got visions of frustrations with Shumpert. He has all the talent in the world but his mechanics are very poor. I want to see a lot of Lee and Williams.

Compare Robinson's SO stats, when he was the Backup, to Shump's SO stats, when he was the Backup ..

2013
Josh Robinson 13 78 480 <21> 459 5.9 3 51 35.3
2014
Ashton Shumpert 12 47 282 < 8> 274 5.8 2 59 22.8

So, when they were SOs, Robinson averaged .1 yard (3.6 inches) more per carry then Shump did as a SO but Shump had a longer run than Josh even though he had 31 less carries.

I wouldn't stay awake with 'visions of frustrations' over Shump. Many of us forget that he rushed for 1328 yards and 15 touchdowns as a sophomore at Tupelo. He hasn't forgotten 'how' to run.
08-04-2015, 08:50 AM
WinningIsRelentless

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I'm telling y'all, you're jumping the gun if you think D Lee overtakes Shumpert this year. Shumpert is going to have a big season.

Just how does someone show out in the first practice of the year with no pads on?
08-04-2015, 09:03 AM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Shump got more carries for various reasons, first, he was/is a ton better in the pass pro game. Cue the ole miss game, Robinson got us destroyed. Second, shump is much more about team and way less about me than jrob was. Third, jrob let his early success lead to poor decisions, I.e. Trying to beat bama to the edge which got us a safety, among others. All that stuff added up. All theses reasons kept perk playing over jrob over and over and over. With all that said, it doesn't make shump an equal to running the ball. He might be a better all around back but he won't sniff jrobs production. And when he doesn't it won't be all on the oline, which probably won't be as good as last year.

I agree with pretty much everything said here.

Also people pointing to Shump's carries last year down the stretch need to slow down, you're talking about production against the worst team in the SEC by a wide margin in Vandy, then a few nice runs in the 4th quarter against the bears and 4 carries against Ga Tech. I mean, he could be very good for us, but I don't think last year proved much of anything.

Jrob for all his faults was a damn good running back, when it came to running the ball, he was outstanding. Also, he was able to turn broken plays into long gains. Shumpert is not that back. Shumpert is a back that needs a hole. Now, if he has a hole, look the F out. If he doesn't, it can be a problem. Luckily, I think our passing game is going to be so good, that he should have a ton of holes.
08-04-2015, 09:06 AM
dawgwood

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Shump got more carries for various reasons, first, he was/is a ton better in the pass pro game. Cue the ole miss game, Robinson got us destroyed. Second, shump is much more about team and way less about me than jrob was. Third, jrob let his early success lead to poor decisions, I.e. Trying to beat bama to the edge which got us a safety, among others. All that stuff added up. All theses reasons kept perk playing over jrob over and over and over. With all that said, it doesn't make shump an equal to running the ball. He might be a better all around back but he won't sniff jrobs production. And when he doesn't it won't be all on the oline, which probably won't be as good as last year.

Shumpert got more playing time because he is also a excellent blocker.I anticipate Dak snapping the ball soon as the play is downed, leaving a lot of touches for different guys.
08-04-2015, 09:21 AM
codeDawg

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Originally Posted by Covercorner2

JRob is slow by SEC RB standards. He ran a 4.7 at combine. After his highlight against UK I feel like he tried to bounce runs outside too much and this lack of speed was evident. Look no further than the safety in the Bama game. I also think this is why Shump got more and more PT as time went on. Shump is faster than JRob. JRob was just hard to find in the hole and had a low center of gravity/hard to tackle.

I don't disagree about JRob not being fast, but he was hurt after that UK game. In the Bama game he tried too hard to do too much with an injury. You can't do that against Bama.

I think we'll take a step back in the running game, but we have a few things going for us this year:
One: We have the best receiving corp we've ever had. That should help open up the run a bit.
Two: We've got 3 absolutely huge guys behind Dak to run the read option. That doesn't even count Williams.
Three: The guys we have may not be JRob, but they are not slouches either. The overall talent at that position is better than it has been in years. When the starter comes out, we're not going to be taking the step back we have had to at times.
08-04-2015, 09:21 AM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by dawgwood

Shumpert got more playing time because he is also a excellent blocker.I anticipate Dak snapping the ball soon as the play is downed, leaving a lot of touches for different guys.

I think I said that in my very first sentence.
08-04-2015, 09:31 AM
Liverpooldawg

What I think we are going to find is at RB we have an excellent problem to have.
08-04-2015, 09:40 AM
DancingRabbit

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

What I think we are going to find is at RB we have an excellent problem to have.

I agree. After re-watching the spring game I liked what I saw from Shump and Lee both. Aeris was mostly used in the pass game and he looked quick but looked kinda lightweight - he got rocked a couple times by safeties and corners. To me Lee looked a little better but Shump looked fine and he's got the experience.
08-04-2015, 09:41 AM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless

Just how does someone show out in the first practice of the year with no pads on?

You obviously didn't watch practice. He looked slimmer, quicker, explosive, and confident. He broke Market and Leo Lewis's ankles on one play with his quick feet too. He just showed out...like he was ready to be the feature back. He looked good for a first practice.

You DO realize they run stuff in practice, not just jog in place or do push-ups right?
08-04-2015, 09:54 AM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

You obviously didn't watch practice. He looked slimmer, quicker, explosive, and confident. He broke Market and Leo Lewis's ankles on one play with his quick feet too. He just showed out...like he was ready to be the feature back. He looked good for a first practice.

You DO realize they run stuff in practice, not just jog in place or do push-ups right?

Until pads are on, nothing matters. It's just different when you can actually hit instead of playing 2 hand touch in shorts. Don't know why you're so defensive about it, it's just a fact.
08-04-2015, 09:59 AM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Boobie had 5 runs over 40yds his Sr year but I don't consider him a HR threat.

I would have considered Boobie a HR threat at the college level, although just barely.

To me, anybody that you have to worry about breaking off a 50 yard run on a play other than one that is just blocked perfect is a HR threat.

The biggest hope I have for Shumpert is that him being our primary back cuts down on negative plays, both because he's a better blocker in the pass game and because he gets downhill a lot faster and won't risk negative yards dancing around. The way he ran against Ole Miss probably isn't going to end up with us lighting up the stat book, but I think would have made us better against Bama and UM and not any worse off in any of our losses except for possibly UK, but I'd like to think our team would have answered the bell regardless anytime UK was threatening.
08-04-2015, 10:03 AM
archdog

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Originally Posted by confucius say

I don't mean home run threat like a 4.4 guy, I mean like jrob against Lsu last year. Shumpert can't break off that kinda 70 yard run. Agree?

I disagree. Can't is a strong word. Shump is going to be fine. He is going to get his and most everyone here is going to be fine with it. Hell we could have A Peterson running for us and some of you guys will mention that his neck is to long, his head is too pointy, and runs upright too much.
08-04-2015, 10:09 AM
Barking 13

I swear***
08-04-2015, 10:16 AM
PSYCHO(thesis)DEFENSE

Shump's gonna eat this year, Dan's gonna feed him, & everybody who said move him to defense is gonna watch.
08-04-2015, 10:36 AM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by archdog

I disagree. Can't is a strong word. Shump is going to be fine. He is going to get his and most everyone here is going to be fine with it. Hell we could have A Peterson running for us and some of you guys will mention that his neck is to long, his head is too pointy, and runs upright too much.

This. ...People Are also forgetting Shumpert didn't redshirt. He's adjusted on the fly. I'm willing to bet he gets at least 900 yards rushing this year with 10 tds. Any takers?
08-04-2015, 11:00 AM
PSYCHO(thesis)DEFENSE

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

This. ...People Are also forgetting Shumpert didn't redshirt. He's adjusted on the fly. I'm willing to bet he gets at least 900 yards rushing this year with 10 tds. Any takers?

I called 850 & 12 so I'm sticking w/ that
08-04-2015, 12:26 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by PSYCHO(thesis)DEFENSE

I called 850 & 12 so I'm sticking w/ that

I like those numbers as well. He'll probably get closer to 15 tds than most people realize
08-04-2015, 12:29 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Until pads are on, nothing matters. It's just different when you can actually hit instead of playing 2 hand touch in shorts. Don't know why you're so defensive about it, it's just a fact.

I'm not defensive about anything.

And I know that things change with pads, and that yesterday proves nothing. Doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on how in shape and ready Shumpert looked yesterday. Not sure why people are taking issue with it. If you disagree, I could give two shits...doesn't make me wrong for saying it. And that's "just the facts" too.
08-04-2015, 01:10 PM
Jack Lambert

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Originally Posted by archdog

I disagree. Can't is a strong word. Shump is going to be fine. He is going to get his and most everyone here is going to be fine with it. Hell we could have A Peterson running for us and some of you guys will mention that his neck is to long, his head is too pointy, and runs upright too much.

Does Peterson have a special helmet for that head?
08-05-2015, 12:33 PM
dawg27

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

I think Shunpert is very good. D Lee reminds me a ton of Vick Ballard. He will be a BEAST.

To be honest i hope all three turns out to be a beast not just one.
08-05-2015, 12:36 PM
MSUDawg4Life

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Originally Posted by dawg27

To be honest i hope all three turns out to be a beast not just one.

Me too. I hope we have a three-headed monster. A real Cerberus.
08-05-2015, 08:09 PM
bulldawg28

Check out @HailStateFB's Tweet: https://twitter.com/HailStateFB/stat...140232193?s=09

Shumpert has no footwork or vision, right?...sheeeeed
08-05-2015, 08:26 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Check out @HailStateFB's Tweet: https://twitter.com/HailStateFB/stat...140232193?s=09

Shumpert has no footwork or vision, right?... STFU

He spun out of bounds.
08-05-2015, 09:02 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Check out @HailStateFB's Tweet: https://twitter.com/HailStateFB/stat...140232193?s=09

Shumpert has no footwork or vision, right?...sheeeeed

I think id pick a better example if I were trying to prove a point. Because that video was an epic fail.
08-05-2015, 10:44 PM
archdog

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I agree with pretty much everything said here.

Also people pointing to Shump's carries last year down the stretch need to slow down, you're talking about production against the worst team in the SEC by a wide margin in Vandy, then a few nice runs in the 4th quarter against the bears and 4 carries against Ga Tech. I mean, he could be very good for us, but I don't think last year proved much of anything.

Jrob for all his faults was a damn good running back, when it came to running the ball, he was outstanding. Also, he was able to turn broken plays into long gains. Shumpert is not that back. Shumpert is a back that needs a hole. Now, if he has a hole, look the F out. If he doesn't, it can be a problem. Luckily, I think our passing game is going to be so good, that he should have a ton of holes.

How much of that has to do with him only getting 3 carries a game? He may be one of those guys that takes 5-8 carries to get warmed up. None of us know, but we will in about a month.
08-05-2015, 11:48 PM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

He spun out of bounds.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

I think id pick a better example if I were trying to prove a point. Because that video was an epic fail.

Hahaha, indeed. Total lack of field awareness there.
08-06-2015, 08:26 AM
thf24

It looks like a no contact drill. Why would he be worried about staying in bounds? The point is he displayed some agility and nice moves, things some of you love to argue that he doesn't have.
08-06-2015, 08:37 AM
HancockCountyDog

Im not sure I have ever seen the board more hungry for anything that looks like football.

I hope they post less vines of practice, because I have a feeling we are going to have people breaking down 6 second vines like its the Zapruder film. After the recent "Dak is slimmer" debate that almost crashed the board, its pretty clear that we need the 45-3 ass kicking against USM, right damn now. It will help everyone forget the egg bowl and orange bowl. Maybe make everyone a little less punchy.
08-06-2015, 08:44 AM
starkvegasdawg

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

its pretty clear that we need the 45-3 ass kicking against USM, right damn now.

We'll complain we gave up three points.

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