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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I think Treadwell was paid off as well. Tunsil was the worst though. I'm not sure about Kemchee. I'm sure he got something, but, since his brother was already at OM, it's difficult to say whether or not he was bought.

Not sure about Conner either. Ole Miss has influence at SP that goes beyond money. I'm sure they did something to get him, but am not sure it involved cash.

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Don't forget about Lavon Hooks. He may not have panned out, but he was another highly-rated recruit they nabbed,

I doubt very seriously that Mr Miller has documented anything, because he was going to be on the gravy train up until that butt stomping. He was probably trying to protect Tunsil from getting in trouble so as to not rock the boat until his big payday on draft day.

I'm in agreement with geezer that they were already on the bolo list, hence the quick reaction.But as many say that will take time and season will be over, but
Tunsil may well not play a down, which is probably alright with him, but a train wreck for the plantation.

My tsun buddy who is usually pretty vocal , is not saying anything, defensive or otherwise and he is pretty well informed. I see that Bucky and the others are pretty quiet as well.

May that house of cards fall down, burn, and the wind scatter the ashes.

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

I doubt very seriously that Mr Miller has documented anything, because he was going to be on the gravy train up until that butt stomping. He was probably trying to protect Tunsil from getting in trouble so as to not rock the boat until his big payday on draft day.

I'm in agreement with geezer that they were already on the bolo list, hence the quick reaction.But as many say that will take time and season will be over, but
Tunsil may well not play a down, which is probably alright with him, but a train wreck for the plantation.

My tsun buddy who is usually pretty vocal , is not saying anything, defensive or otherwise and he is pretty well informed. I see that Bucky and the others are pretty quiet as well.

May that house of cards fall down, burn, and the wind scatter the ashes.

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I think that's the key thing here that's going to differentiate this incident from others where OM was able to skirt though unscathed. Tunsil's desire to play college football has always been in question, so his camp may just not fight it that hard. Hell, he may see it as an opportunity not to play without hurting his draft stock, like it would if he were to sit out for reasons of his own accord.

Didn't Kimchee's daddy get a position at the UM Medical Center?

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

Didn't Kimchee's daddy get a position at the UM Medical Center?

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He was going to until it came to light and even people at UMCC started raising hell and the offer was rescinded.

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

I doubt very seriously that Mr Miller has documented anything, because he was going to be on the gravy train up until that butt stomping. He was probably trying to protect Tunsil from getting in trouble so as to not rock the boat until his big payday on draft day.

I'm in agreement with geezer that they were already on the bolo list, hence the quick reaction.But as many say that will take time and season will be over, but
Tunsil may well not play a down, which is probably alright with him, but a train wreck for the plantation.

My tsun buddy who is usually pretty vocal , is not saying anything, defensive or otherwise and he is pretty well informed. I see that Bucky and the others are pretty quiet as well.

May that house of cards fall down, burn, and the wind scatter the ashes.

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Freeze was preaching yesterday and he saw the Ncaa infraction director and this is what he told him!

Hell's coming with me!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0ndsXVaPwc

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg

He was going to until it came to light and even people at UMCC started raising hell and the offer was rescinded.

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He did get a job at CMMC though.

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

I doubt very seriously that Mr Miller has documented anything, because he was going to be on the gravy train up until that butt stomping. He was probably trying to protect Tunsil from getting in trouble so as to not rock the boat until his big payday on draft day.

I'm in agreement with geezer that they were already on the bolo list, hence the quick reaction.But as many say that will take time and season will be over, but
Tunsil may well not play a down, which is probably alright with him, but a train wreck for the plantation.

My tsun buddy who is usually pretty vocal , is not saying anything, defensive or otherwise and he is pretty well informed. I see that Bucky and the others are pretty quiet as well.

May that house of cards fall down, burn, and the wind scatter the ashes.

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If they are living in a nice house and can't prove it ala Reggie Bush's parents it might not matter if there is no paper trail.

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Originally Posted by EAVdog

If they are living in a nice house and can't prove it ala Reggie Bush's parents it might not matter if there is no paper trail.

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Wasn't that one of the issues with Sidney?

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Originally Posted by 843dawg

I think Tunsil was the only recruit that was "$tolen" right? All the other big time recruits committed and or it was known they were picking the Bears. When you say they "pissed some of the big boys off", you talking about just in general or was someone else taken at the last minute?

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Austin Golson was another HUGE red flag in that class. He was committed to FSU without even having OM among his top choices. Then the Bears persuade him late in the process to take one weekend visit and presto, he is all in with OM. High profile recruits rarely just swing to a school like that when they are already committed and the school they are visiting isn't even in the list of primary choices prior to the visit.

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

Wasn't that one of the issues with Sidney?

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Yes. If memory serves me correct, the Sidneys tried to take the approach of "you may know we're in this because of improper benefits but can't prove anything if we don't provide the forms." Sidney was suspended anyway.

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Originally Posted by messageboardsuperhero

Yes. If memory serves me correct, the Sidneys tried to take the approach of "you may know we're in this because of improper benefits but can't prove anything if we don't provide the forms." Sidney was suspended anyway.

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Correct. The NCAA said they would not declare him eligible until his parents provided the financial documents to support their claims. The parents tried to take the stance that was none of the NCAA's 17ing business and the NCAA just said he sits until you do. Wish now he had just sat, but that's a discussion for another day.

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg

Correct. The NCAA said they would not declare him eligible until his parents provided the financial documents to support their claims. The parents tried to take the stance that was none of the NCAA's 17ing business and the NCAA just said he sits until you do. Wish now he had just sat, but that's a discussion for another day.

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Yep, sounds like to me its time for the NCAA to start requesting bank account record from the Tunsils.

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Originally Posted by messageboardsuperhero

Yes. If memory serves me correct, the Sidneys tried to take the approach of "you may know we're in this because of improper benefits but can't prove anything if we don't provide the forms." Sidney was suspended anyway.

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I think the difference is that Sidney had to be cleared. Tunsil has already been cleared, which makes it more difficult to revoke, a la Cam Newton.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Austin Golson was another HUGE red flag in that class. He was committed to FSU without even having OM among his top choices. Then the Bears persuade him late in the process to take one weekend visit and presto, he is all in with OM. High profile recruits rarely just swing to a school like that when they are already committed and the school they are visiting isn't even in the list of primary choices prior to the visit.

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And that is why olemiss wouldn't/couldn't play hard ball when it came to him transferring.

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And may need to play the part of Angelo Mirando.

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Originally Posted by Pollodawg

I highly doubt any of this investigation is concluded before the start of football season. So, here is my question for OM: Do you play Tunsil and risk ticking the NCAA off even more during an ongoing investigation, or do you sit Tunsil and risk the real possibility of a 6-6 season on a make-work offensive line?

And what is the worst that can come from them saying eff it and playing Tunsil regardless? They'd probably just have to vacate the games he played in this upcoming season if they are indeed found in the wrong, right?

And here's something else: The Bears have been radio silent on this one unlike in the past when they crowed and crowed over things like this. That's a sign too.

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if Tunsil doesn't play and the NCAA doesn't release a conclusionary statement saying the investigation is concluded, it's a part of a larger investigation. OM will release a cleverly worded statement to try and insinuate that, but it's besides the point

Also, Bracky attended NCAA interviews of our boosters, players, and coaches. OM may not have been invited because they have legal counsel there and they can still deny any connection or knowledge of the allegations. It may have actually been a smart move not to tie themselves to it because then there would be an expectation to self-investigate.

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg

He was going to until it came to light and even people at UMCC started raising hell and the offer was rescinded.

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The hell raising had nothing to do with it. He was not qualified in the USA for the job. This info came from a person who subsequently did hire him at the request of Coach Hugh Freeze.

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Originally Posted by 1bigdawg

The hell raising had nothing to do with it. He was not qualified in the USA for the job. This info came from a person who subsequently did hire him at the request of Coach Hugh Freeze.

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If true, that's a major violation there

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Originally Posted by 1bigdawg

The hell raising had nothing to do with it. He was not qualified in the USA for the job. This info came from a person who subsequently did hire him at the request of Coach Hugh Freeze.

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Illegal worker and Freeze still got him hired somewhere? That would be trouble if that got out.

The rebs should be thankful Dan Werner is on staff. His time at Miami should help them immensely.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

if Tunsil doesn't play and the NCAA doesn't release a conclusionary statement saying the investigation is concluded, it's a part of a larger investigation. OM will release a cleverly worded statement to try and insinuate that, but it's besides the point

Also, Bracky attended NCAA interviews of our boosters, players, and coaches. OM may not have been invited because they have legal counsel there and they can still deny any connection or knowledge of the allegations. It may have actually been a smart move not to tie themselves to it because then there would be an expectation to self-investigate.

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Because most of the violation accusations and evidence to validate the violations came from Bracky. Why would he not be there? He was the NCAA's star investigator.

Could the NCAA requests all of those Facebook messages from during his recruitment? Curious to know what all they had to talk about in over 1200 messages between Tunsil and his girlfriend http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2..._recruitm.html

During the dead period, they communicate over Xbox one and PS4video games. Seriously. This is not a violation but it is contact. It is not traceable.