I usually agree with most everything you say, but I don't even know where to start with this. One thing I will say: If people truly believed Freeze was a "Jesus Freak" they probably wouldn't be as offended by it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach 57
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I usually agree with most everything you say, but I don't even know where to start with this. One thing I will say: If people truly believed Freeze was a "Jesus Freak" they probably wouldn't be as offended by it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach 57
@Coach57
I respect you as a poster but you are way off base. We all know what goes on at every SEC school when it comes to recruiting. To know that and make comments that you use "faith based recruiting" is garbage. I don't see how you don't get that. It's just like being a Christian and going to a bar. I'm not going to get turned off by that unless you're sloppy drunk and preaching at me. That is essentially what Freeze is doing
IMO freeze is whatever he needs to be to succeed. If he was coach at Ucla recruiting the locals, he'd be preaching liberalism. He's in the Bible Belt though so he's winning recruits for Christ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Remember this though
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. (Galatians 6:7 NKJV)
Disagreeing and writing a bunch of psychobabble bs without knowing what the hell you are talking about sounds SO much smarter...Quote:
Originally Posted by gravedigger
Arguing the point that Bracky is a huge problem not only shows that you don't have a clue -- it shows that you lack any semblance of common sense.
NO ONE is saying he's the only problem we have -- but it's a huge, glaring f'n problem -- that has NOW set our football recruiting back for 7 years over a total of a $2k discount on a car and about $600 in impermissible benefits -- lest we be hit for repeat offenders and thrown to the wolves just like 2003. This NEVER becomes an issue anywhere else. Why? Because they had NO PROOF OF ANYTHING. That is -- until Bracky threw Redmond to the wolves without representation -- or the knowledge that he was entitled to representation -- and let the NCAA grill him with questions without any prior knowledge or prep work to deal with it.
EVERYWHERE else, Will is told "there are some discrepancies here and the NCAA will be calling -- here's a lawyer that will help you out for free that does a great job -- be prepared to answer x,y,z question and have paperwork in hand for x,y,z." Said lawyer then fixes and sweeps the "problems" under the rug prior to the investigation. The NCAA is suspicious but can't prove jack. We tell them to go F themselves. And EVERYONE walks. That's how the big boys do it. And that's why we aren't a big boy.
I could hit HALF of Ole Miss's baseball record holders from the 00s with over $2k in impermissible benefits to this day...so don't give me bs about us being some kind of dumb ass cheaters. We're dumbasses about how we deal with the whispers of impropriety -- not how we carry out those improprieties...
A quick google of Mullen's bio show that he is very likely Cristian. Usually folks that attend Catholic high school and name their child Canon (not the big gun) are Christian. If kids and mommas want to fall for that kind of trash talk, I doubt the kid has enough intelligence to learn the play book.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I think you should tweet this to Brother Freesus...Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
It's easy to derive from your soliloquy that you have a very rudimentary understanding of what a compliance department does. That's fine, but don't go telling everyone else they are stupid for placing blame on it. I think if you learned more about how compliance works you would change your tune.Quote:
Originally Posted by gravedigger
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Originally Posted by engie
It's almost like you wrote the job description and made the hire. At best your description is a very dated view of what the compliance director should be doing, and in all honesty this is probably all LT (I'm guessing LT hired Bracky; I don't know but I'm sure some of you others do) expected of him. Like everyone else is saying, this day and age his role should be to, umm, "educate" the coaches/players on certain "things". I think you catch my drift here.Quote:
Originally Posted by gravedigger
Yes, Bracky is a Templedick holdover. That should tell everyone all they need to know about Bracky's "competence" to perform his job. FIRE BRACKY!Quote:
Originally Posted by SignalToNoise
Boom! Roasted. Once aGAIN, Engie droppin' bombs on folks.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
@ Beastman & Hack
Look I know (as well as anybody on this board) the shenanigans that are pulled not just by UM but by ALL those who recruit. I'm not agreeing with those antics perpetrated by anybody much less someone who claims to know & have a relationship with Christ. My point was IF (and it's a big if) a coach who maintained a clean program, was a legit man of God and was a good coach came into my living room to recruit my beast of a son to his school.....show me the dotted line and I will help him understand why he (my kid) would be better off playing for said coach. To me there is NOTHING wrong with the angle. I didn't say I agree with the things that go on during official visits or after the signing. Scripture asks those that are in Christ to be as Jesus taught Peter...."be fishers of men". Did any of you keep up with how Christ was very profound during the baseball team's awesome season? Pretty remarkable stuff indeed.
Only in the south do you recruit a D1 players parents to sunday school versus football.
SMH
You (and others on this board, Todd in particular) would be much better posters if you'd keep your ego in check. King Jackie said on the radio yesterday, "If you have to tell people who you are, then they don't really know who you are". You guys don't have to spell out how awesome you are and how much you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach 57
By the way I agree with all your points in this thread.
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Originally Posted by engie
Quite simply- it can't be explained any better than that
you are as outspoken as anyone on this board and you say something like this to other posters ????
The problem with that line is that its not sincere. How would you feel about this hypothetical company: Faith Builders. A Christian contracting and building company. The owner constantly sells his faith as to why he's successful and constantly publicly pushes his "morals". Said owner uses his relationships with inspectors to skate building codes and break the rules/law to benefit his company.
If you are ok with Freeze, you should be ok with that. Don't confuse my issue with Freeze as an issue with faith. You are missing the boat big time if you do. The crux of this issue is that Freeze is using the guise of Christian morals to sell and succeed in a known curupt institution (recruiting). If you can't understand that I really can't say anything else.
Good Post...Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach 57
I understand this point of view and to tell the truth, I have no clue what they are doing up there behind the scenes. But just like Urban can't be blamed for Hernandez, you can't blame Freeze for what the players do, what recruits do, what boosters do. Coaches are like figure heads for a whole school. Perhaps Freeze is trying to use his position for the betterment of everyone? Who knows. But he can't control everyone, boosters included.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastMan
I guess in the end this is such a petty thing to grasp ahold of when talking about Ole Miss.
Hilarious. Especially from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder
We all have strong feelings and opinions and I actually like that we can express them freely.
Coach57 and Todd are the last people who need to rein in their "egos" or their opinions. They are two of the most respected posters BECAUSE of their knowledge of their interests.
I'm all for the free flow of ideas whether I agree with them or not.
I can understand that. I just don't believe Freeze is as a devout Christian as he claims to be given some of the stories I've heard about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach 57
his entire recruiting strategy, or motto is "faith-based recruiting". So no, this is not a petty thing to grasp ahold of when talking about ole miss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder
Sure we can. And so am I. I didn't say we couldn't or shouldn't do that. It's not about that, at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life
This is where I disagree. I don't think that knowledge (correct knowledge) is there, more than any other poster. But they sure think it is and make a point to say that it is. It's just my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life
I'd love for someone to put a timeline together for Chris Jones' first visit. He said he met with Freeze late into that night. He was photographed on the square that night, likely prior to meeting with Freeze.
This has(even more) potential to show that Freeze not only condones the behavior -- but actively encourages and exploits it to his fullest benefit. Hence why many feel he's being very hypocritical in his up-front sales pitch...
I could get a whole bunch of people to come to church if I was running a brothel/bar in the side rooms... Catch the drift?
No one is saying that he should police what the players do -- or expect them to be perfect. Just that there are some discrepancies between his actions and his preaching. NOTHING bothers me more than that.
And for that matter, it bothers me just about as bad with all the "relentless effort" preaching Mullen gave to us -- when he quit against LSU in 2011 and in quite a few games last year. Be whatever you say you are. Simple.
Exactly, I think most of us would agree that from all indications Mark Richt is probably the most devout and genuine Christian HC in the SEC. I personally have a lot of respect for the man and what he stands for. And with that being said if people can't differentiate between Richt and how he lives his faith and Freezus who seems to just use his "faith" like a used car salesman for what he thinks it can do for him in his career then I just don't know what else to say to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
..but Freeze is playing this Christian card to the hilt because it is a way for him show his ass in behalf of all the pro-Confederacy big money Ole Miss alumni, who are all hardcore right wingers & who think the only true racism in this country is taking place against whites.
These Ole Miss heavy hitters Freeze is so set on impressing think true Christianty can not be obtained by minorites or the poor (unless you sign to play for Hugh Freeze, then Jesus suddeny forgives you for not pulling yourself up by you own bootsraps & now loves you). Of course gay recruits, atheists recruits or any Muslim recruit would not even be allowed to visit a Hugh Freeze campus. Ole Miss nation has already made it publicly known their hatred for Scientologists. So no L. Ron Hubbard boys will never be seen in Oxford.
Is this a lecture on multiculturalism? Sort of, because by the year 2050 whites will be a minority in America. Won't that be a giant kick in the nuts to everything the University of Mississippi stands for.
Remember, this is the campus that rioted over the colored-guy getting re-elected. So Freeze is well aware of which element to pander to in order to rally the Ole Miss horde to his cause.
Can you imagine Freeze's reaction if he learned one of the Ole Miss cheerleaders had an abortion? He would attempt to have her tossed into county lock-up.
Yes, this is somewhat of a left wing take on the doings of Hugh Freeze, & if you disagree I will not argue because I respect your opinion. If you want to to move this post to the political board or delete it altogether I'll understand.
But I am sick of these fake, scam-artists "Christians" appearing on raido & TV & doing their Hugh Freeze act. Or should I say having to endure watching Freeze mimic their act.
Lastly, remember this bullshit goes back to Cutcliffe being the pure embodiment of Jesus Christ & Sherrll the spawn of Satan. So it is really nothing new.
@engie- if there is one thing you are sir is consistent. You are one of my favorite posters on here and I agree with you partially on this as other times almost all the time. I forget which poster said it but it's true as they used the reference to the Urban Meter/Herdandez situation. I am unable to say Freeze is NOT a Christian (judging) as I am not around him and don't see his actions before me. If he knows all the goings on as some of you claim he does and still uses his faith as a tool to recruit....I assure you he will pay dearly for it as all sinners that don't repent and (bigger deal for Christians) FORSAKE said sin. That would mean he is KNOWINGLY using God's name as a negative. But that's not for me to judge him on.
@Goat- I am glad we can agree on something for a change and believe it or not you are right about the other as well. I am no better than anybody on here. I am truly nothing without Christ. My employment, health, kids, wife all of it everything to the lint in my pocket to the soul in my body ALL belong to God. Just because I know how to draw up a good blitz package or can teach my kids how to properly read, react and use their hands & feet to get there makes me no better than you...or anybody else. Like Joshua in scripture I was blessed (anointed) with a strategic mind. It makes me no better. Where I might be better at that there are plenty of things He has given all of you as gifts that are JUST as special. I thank you guys for the kind words but I truly am no better than ANY OF YOU. There's a reason I shut up during baseball, basketball seasons.....I look to the guys on here who HAVE A BETTER MIND FOR IT.
Look I love football it is one of the things that I truly have passion for but first and foremost is my love & devotion to Christ and yes He even comes before my family. I am a Jesus freak.....self diagnosed. I wish one day we could meet and I would tell you more about this ole coach who would be nothing without God!
it's Goat ... don't sweat it Coach
Thanks for the testimony but you are preaching to the choir, at least with me.
Just out of curiosity, where have you coached? If you don't want to put it on this public forum I understand. You can PM me if you want but if you don't, that's fine too.
On Freeze, I was the one who compared to Urban/Hernandez. You can re-read the earlier post on that.
@Goat- the next home game you come to in Starkville let me know the day before you come we'll meet up & have a biscuit w/gravy along with a nice talk.
How can you not love this guy?^Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach 57
By the way, I used legal recruiting methods to recruit Coach57 to EliteDawgs via Twitter.
Here's what I'm saying when I say that Dan should speak at a couple of churches or whatever- I don't mean for him to do it flippantly. I know he is a Christian, and if he is a Christian, it really shouldn't be that big of a deal for him to speak at a church of all places a couple of times about it. I'm not saying he shouldn't be genuine at all about it. I'm not saying he has to lead a Billy Graham Crusade here either. Just enough to refute what is being used against us.
mrob71?
I'll be at LSU for sure.
Yeah, no one would realize that he's doing it in response to Ole Miss.
Terrible idea.
Because sitting around talking about it, knowing it's happening and apparently working in some cases, and doing nothing is a better idea?Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder
Negative recruiting (against you) doesn't hurt you, it helps, eventually. Kids swayed by that sort of thing didn't really want to come play for you anyway. Mullen and Freeze both have their chance to pitch their sell. And what proof do we have that it worked? Oh yeah, none. Some message board guy.
You simply can't go around refuting what everybody says about you. That's letting them win. Making them take time out of your day to deal with that nonsense.
I bet you still think that C.J. Johnson was swayed to Ole Miss because they paid him and negatively recruited against us.
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Originally Posted by Goat Holder
And what proof do you have that it isn't working? I have way more proof that it is working than you do that it's not, I guarantee you that. Do you think BeastMan is lying? I don't.
I disagree about not refuting what people say about you. IF someone is saying something and it is affecting how you run your football program in this case, you do something to defend yourself. You don't let people keep doing things to hurt you and do nothing.
So, you really think that CJ Johnson was legitimately and legally recruited by Ole Miss?
Number one, we still seem to be pulling in pretty good players ourselves. And Ole Miss is the team with the attrition lately, not us. And then I have, well, life experience with this sort of thing. You take care of yourself. Sure, take shots at your competition, nothing wrong with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
No, you don't. That's the arrogance and ego I was talking about earlier in this thread. You all are just talking about rumors you've heard, mostly out of your ass. Nothing more, nothing less. So no, you aren't lying, just spreading bogus rumors. Big whoop. I have connections in Starkville too, but you aren't going to hear me talk about them or divulge anything I hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
You're going to be fighting a long battle, my internet friend. And again, I don't think it's hurting us. What they did to us last November hurt us WAAAAY more than anything that comes out of Hugh Freeze's mouth. THAT is why Mississippi recruits are listening to Ole Miss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
No, that's not the point. The point is that MSU screwed that up, not anything done by Ole Miss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
If you'd just back up and get off the high horse, you'd start to see that what I speak is not all that far-fetched, and most likely, pretty damn accurate.
Freeze knows his audience. He's a good old boy. He knows how to play these people. Mullen is from Massachusetts. He's never had any experience with the real South, and no most of Florida hasn't been culturally Southern in years.
Deep down, Freeze is an incurable redneck from the backwoods of Mississippi. He knows what people around here want to hear. And he is selling it.
you mean ironic?Quote:
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