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Yea that makes sense*****Quote:
Originally Posted by BossDawg
I mean teams never have a down year after a great run. Wait, you mean ucla had a losing record last year? And Florida after their cws run had a down year? And ar st? And Clemson? And Lsu missed a regional 2 years after a natty? It happens. It's one season.
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Originally Posted by confucius say
I think the problem today was that our players and coaches had the same mindset as the OM people, who left early, thinking the game was over after the 8th inning.
Sounds a lot like Cohen and ky doesn't it. Except ky was even worse than Indiana when both coaches took over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smitty
Cohen's 5 Kentucky teams (the first two of which were awful) had these 5 slugging percentages (according to ukathletics.com/)Quote:
Originally Posted by Smitty
.453, .441, .523, .482, .516
So 4 of the 5 years (excepting one of the really bad ones), Cohen's Kentucky teams were even better at slugging than Smith's best 2 Indiana teams (and the only 2 teams Smith had in 9 years that weren't worse than 2015 Mississippi State). Guess these things don't always translate from school to school, even with the same coach.
I got a 2 week band for this shit a month ago... suck it pussies..
1. Different bats different eraQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
2. Indiana's field is bigger than DNF
Thanks for playing.
So he had the best hitting team in the tenth best conference in baseball. Ok. Cohen did that at ky in the best conference in college baseball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smitty
Earned run avg - 2013Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
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1. Indiana............. 2.64
2. Minnesota........... 2.89
3. Michigan State...... 3.22
4. Ohio State.......... 3.24
5. Northwestern........ 3.41
6. Illinois............ 3.76
7. Iowa................ 4.07
8. Michigan............ 4.10
9. Nebraska............ 4.68
10.Penn State.......... 4.84
11.Purdue.............. 6.46
Earned run avg-2014
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1. Indiana............. 2.33
2. Michigan State...... 3.09
3. Michigan............ 3.21
4. Illinois............ 3.25
5. Nebraska............ 3.50
6. Ohio State.......... 3.61
7. Minnesota........... 3.76
8. Iowa................ 4.34
9. Northwestern........ 4.73
10.Penn State.......... 4.77
11.Purdue.............. 6.00
Again,
Posting some cherry-picked stats from his two best seasons (the other 7 were worse than our current team) is being intentionally misleading.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
QK you are ignoring the GLARING issues that Cohen has that CANNOT lead to success… Other teams' have down years? Great. Do their coaches play an ACTIVE role in that? Our coach CANNOT maximize what he has.
And?? Same principle applies. What Cohen did in five years at ky is easily more impressive than what smith did in his first five years at Indiana (and I'll even grant you all of smiths years at Indiana).Quote:
Originally Posted by Smitty
What he did was take Vandy to the football SEC Championship game…twice. The program he took over and what Cohen took over at MSU cannot be compared as apples-apples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
You would have a new coach at Vandy and a new coach at Auburn be judged equally
Kentucky was 9-20 in sec play the year before Cohen took over. We have to win one more game to match that totalQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
So Other coaches don't play an active role in their teams down years? Are you effing high?? That is a horribleQuote:
Originally Posted by Smitty
Argument. Find me one fan base that went through a down year and said, nope, coach didn't actively contribute to that at all.
And we have been to 4 regionals, 2 supers, and a natty appearance in last 4 years! You think our program is in as bad of shape as ky program in 2004?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Eta: yes, this year is as bad as ky 2003. Everybody agrees. But this is representative of this whole debate. Our program is fine despite one bad year. Ky program was crap every year.
I'm sick of confucious... you are beginning to to suck... and suck hardQuote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
1. Our program is in terrible shapeQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
2. We have great players coming in.
3. We have a coach that meddles, wastes, takes years to get anything out of talent.
4. We need to get someone who won't **** up a great opportunity.
Seems to me the records are pretty much the same. What we did the last 4 years doesn't seem to have helped us one bit this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
I didn't post that. But sorry you are sick of me. Is it bc of the facts I've posted, or just that you think I take up for Cohen too much? He deserves criticism. But our fans wanting to run him off and demanding changes are delusional.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bully13
It's not about this year people! Everybody agrees this year is horrible. I'm asking you if you think our program is on par with ky program circa 2003? Bc if the answer is yes, I cannot help you. The status of a program is made up of more than one year, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Ok. Have a great day tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smitty
The mask has finally come off when John can't rely on a MLB bullpen to cover for him.
I think it's pretty funny that the guy Smitty is promoting was the one coach at the CWS in 2013 that said he didn't believe in using sabermetrics.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
I'll be honest- I'd be kind of scared to hire a coach that said something like that.
we need to sever all ties with our... coaching tree. Bring in someone from the outside with no connection to the program, hire non-alumni assistants and totally start over. The culture needs to be nuked and rebuilt to fit modern day ball. A fresh start and clean slate is required.
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..and over and over and over and over and over and over..........................."Quote:
Originally Posted by Smitty
...and over and over and over and over and over and over...............Quote:
Originally Posted by Smitty
You get banned for being a total ****ing jackass idiot sometimes. Not for railing on Cohen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bully13
the guy who brought us to the national championship series without a very talented team is not a good coach? That season and this season basically cancel each other out to me. The rest of the body of work, including where the program is headed with recruiting, the new stadium, attendance, etc... has to be factored in.
You can't judge a coach by anomalies and you don't fire a coach for one bad season, especially in baseball.
Wouldn't the cws run be the anomalyQuote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Firing Cohen isn't the answer. Have you forgotten he got us to the championship game a few years ago?
He doesn't understand logicQuote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
A sec title, a super, a natty appearance, regional championship game, losing record. Which one of these five is not like the other??? Can you really not see it's the latter???Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
So within a 3 year period, Cohen has taken us to our highest point in history all the way down to our lowest in history. Personally I don't think either year is indicative of what we are under Cohen. I think last year is gonna be a typical Cohen year. We'll be a regional, but not cws team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sox6201
yes. and that's why I said this season and that season basically cancel each other out.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I agree. And that's why he should get another year. And probably will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
12 seasons in the sec...Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
7 losing seasons (take away the 2 first years from both schools and Cohen is only 5-3 in regards to finishing .500 or better). This will most likely be the 5th time Cohen has finished with 9 or fewer sec wins.
He's been to a regional 6 times, advanced to super twice, and cws once.
Throw out the first 2 seasons here and Cohen's record is 72-73 in sec play
I read all the reasons why our team is in such a state of array, but no one has really the answers that I have seen. This theory makes more sense than anything I have read so far.
Seismic waves have slowly but surely moved the old Indian burial ground from under Scott field, thru the Hump and is now resting squarely under the Dude.
The bright side to this with the recent earth tremors close by, a shift could be coming that will continue this movement in a more north westerly direction at a much faster pace and will soon be resting under the grounds of the plantation.
Case in point, the recent sink hole in Oxford could be a omen.
That's such a wrong way of looking at things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Would you say Crooms 2007 and 2008 cancel each other out so he should be given more time? Stands 2004 and 2012? He had his chance and had royally blown it.
Cohen does not get us in sustainable spots for success. We have one host spot under him. We don't sniff hosting most years. Our offensive approach is abysmal. Our recruiting misses so much. Our development takes YEARS if it happens at all. Big-time regression from good hitters. Lost the team. Lost the staff. Why I wouldn't be surprised if he walks after this year.
I do agree that Cohen should be back, but I want to see some things addressed at the end of the year press conference. The problem is the media sucks and they don't ask tough questions.
First of all, I want the players skipping work outs issue addressed publically and if it is an issue I want to know how they are going to fix it.
I want to know if he is going to adjust how they recruit players in terms of identifying character and toughness and if they are going to stop relying on JUCO players so much.
I want to know if he is willing to get a hitting coach.
After that, he'll probably be too pissed to talk about anything else.
The Liberty Bowl and the round of 32 is not the same as playing in the National Championship of a sport. Not even remotely close. Especially when you have gone to the NC finals in a sport where fans have some of the highest expectations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smitty
And you don't judge a coach on a lesser goal when he has gone beyond that point twice already. That would be like judging a basketball coach on the seed that he is given in the tournament- and not the actual results of the team in the tournament.
Croom also had losing seasons every single year except one year. Cohen has had four winning seasons the last five years- and this year will be the first time we have had a losing record in SEC play in a few years.
And you're the guy that just the other day attempted and failed to argue that Adam Frazier, Wes Rea, and CT Bradford all regressed as hitters which was completely laughable. As is your personal hitting approach.