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He compared it to the best selling book series of all time? Neat.
Well that last scene was pretty much the worst of the series...
I'm guessing Bronn is finished..which, if that's the case..so is much of my interest in the show...dammit I hate that they kill the best characters
This season has been shit...
"We are making Sansa a player -- so let's send her to the one place worse for her than King's Landing, give her a couple snazzy lines, and then let Ramsay Bolton rape her. That'll show her prowess." You can't give back what they took from her as a character tonight. Too stupid to actually pull for.
6 episodes in -- and zero glances at the endgame. Oh, I take it back -- Stannis talked to Sam about dragonglass. Bunch of bs with nothing really happening.
Yeah, my wife, who hasn't read the books, said she is done with the show after Sansa was raped. I'm sure Theons storyline here will remain intact, but I wonder if Stannis is still gonna stop by Deepwood Motte?Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
"Yara" Greyjoy is supposed to be in next week's episode. Don't remember if she's in Deepwood Motte in the show or not, but it seems pretty safe to assume that her/theon's storylines are staying.
Sansa needs to be serving Ramsey pie in the next episode for that whole thing to have made any sense whatsoever.
Sand Sankes sucked last night. They are supposed to be bad ass. Of course in the books, they are plotting to put the princess on the throne, not kill her.
I knew what was coming up with Sansa (Jenye) last night and it still made me sick at my stomach. I'm glad they left out Reek's part in it.
They are destroying everything this season. The concision that has made the show enjoyable(if still less than the books) is gone. Now it seems to be just a bunch of pointless, rampant "shock" moments that do nothing to serve the plot. We know they are possibly important to the endgame, since they stayed in, but if we've got characters making 180s and plotlines being completely pointless(Sansa in the Eyrie for instance), then are they really important?Quote:
Originally Posted by curmudgeon
Why kill off Barristan?
Why completely change the characterization of Ellaria? Her anti-vengeance role in the books fit her early characterization. This "I'm pissed off and we're going to kill this girl" doesn't make a damn bit of sense.
Why send Sansa to Winterfell by herself in order to be a victim again? She had the whole f'n Vale behind her. She was in a position of power. Now, she's back to being a victim.
Why send Jamie to Dorne? Cersei thinking oh, hey, we've been at war for years -- I'm going to totally piss off our strongest/only real allies, without a single true military commander still under my command(Kevan basically having already told her to F off) so let me send my only true ally who is a pin stroke from Tommen away from being Warden of the West and Lord of Casterly Rock as far away from here as I possibly can. That'll show them".
The show has been interesting to me because the maneuvering almost always made common sense. Now, I'm not seeing it.
Sand Snakes are a horrible bit of casting. I have enjoyed Areo Hotah's representation though...
I think we will end up seeing Sansa take her revenge from her post. Someone else on here posted one time and I agree - Bran Stark ends up being the ultimate villain in all of this.
I think the "bittersweet" ending is that we will get the Starks reunited, but they will all be "broken" in their own ways. Bran will be the quintessential Stark, as Bloodraven was the quintessential and unapologetic Targ. Made questionable decisions for the greater good even when he knew they would punish him and vilify him for it.
Think the theme of the whole story is that there is no pure good or evil. You have Fire vs Ice -- and they will essentially be two sides of the same coin. Its crazy that a story like this is 75%ish told -- and no one has a clue where it is actually going to end up...
the sad result is how typical TV production tropes have taken precedence over the outline they were given. they knew 5 years before they started that Theon would have no story for a couple of seasons, yet when they signed an unknown for the part they didn't write that into the contract, and thus had to create pointless scenes for him to keep him under contract?? you knew Lady Stoneheart required relegating a character to nothing for a season, and you didn't plan on it?? you couldn't film it while under contract and air it later? are you kidding me? and so forth. bottom line they produced it like a typical show. for a couple seasons the source material outshined that limitation, but starting with the 2nd season finale it did not. they have planned within the season only, like a typical show, not with forethought like they should have. hence Sansa taking one turn at the end of season 4 and a complete 180 in season 5. they didn't think ahead to season 5! i'm currently wondering how the Cersei walking scene comes to be. the setup for it isn't there at all. will probably be some stupid one-off reason rather than the 2 seasons of lead up it could have been.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
IMO Cersei is going to walk because fanatic Lancel is about to spill the beans.
One thing I saw online and liked -- the pendant that sent Jamie scrambling to Dorne may be Cersei's and not Myrcela's. If Myr still has hers, Jamie will know Cersei manipulated him for her own ends, at which point he probably starts asking Bronn questions he doesn't want the true answer to, and sets events in motion for his abandonment of her. Cersei and to a lesser degree Tyrion is all "show" Jamie has ever fought for -- what is his motivation for staying alive and what is the point in his character when that is gone?
That never dawned on me. It makes sense because Cersei thinks she can rule without any help. With the Faith Militant she wouldn't want Jamie around. She may have just decided to get rid of a witness who could turn against her. Jamie freeing Tyrion who she thinks will try to kill her could have been unforgiveable.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
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Originally Posted by BoomBoom
They should've approached this whole thing with the idea that they were shooting one longa$$ movie that would be shown one episode at a time.
"Yara" definitely was in Deepwood Motte after the North fell. Of course there was no rescue attempt in the book so she never left except for the moot. But in the show they showed her counseling with her Father back in the Iron Islands. I think it can be assumed that she probably returned to Deepwood Motte in the show. I can't really think of any reason for her to remain in the show continuity unless the Stannis-North storyline is going to go forward more or less normally.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Well, The Gift was finally an excellent tv episode I thought. Still take issues with the premise that has put certain characters into their situations. But this one at least made most of those situations interesting.
This episode was definitely one of the better ones this year. I am interested to see what they do with Sam and Gilly. They eliminated the plot line from the book so what are they going to do with them? Any time Tyrion is on seems to be the best scenes. I am very interested for how Dany handles having a Lannister in front of her.
If they are eliminating the Citadel storyline, then I would imagine it could be possible for Sam and Gilly to end up on some mission to Essos. Maybe they end up with Danaerys instead of in Oldtown? Take Maestor Aemon with them? She's his family.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
They burned his body so I don't know about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BulldogBear
Heh. That's what I get for posting before watching the latest episode!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Maybe a nice urn with a dragon and a crow combatant emblazened on it!?
I think maybe Jon sends Sam to the Citadel before all hell breaks loose at the wall. I read where it looked like they were casting for OldTown which is where Sam was taking Gilly so they just probably eliminated the boat trip for them.
Now THAT was an episode! Wow my adrenaline is pumping. Prettymuch jumped out of my seat when the magic of Valyrian Steel was finally proven true. That was extremely well done. First real spoiler from Winds of Winter, I believe...
I just watched it on Dvr. Very cool to see purpose of valerian steel confirmed. Long suspected but not yet confirmed in books. Makes me wonder if the whole hardhome sequence is moved up. Wonder if it will go down like that in WoW. Great episode. Glad to see the Others finally get scary.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Badass. I had been missing Walking Dead lately.
I'm rooting for two things: 1) for the Kaleesi/Tyrion camp, and 2) for people to stop talking about the books.
We kind of moved the discussion with spoilers over to the ASOIAF theory thread. Sorry Flab. ONe can get to commenting on the show and then launch right into something related from the books. I'm as guilty as any.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlabLoser
I feel you on this one. I read the books (several times) and can't stop combining the two in discussion BUT....for the first time the series moved past the books (partially) in this episode created a new storyline in part. I FINALLY got to experience what the "non-book" people have been experiencing. It increased the enjoyment of this episode 100%. In fact, I will probably stop reading the books until the show comes to an end.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlabLoser
Finally all caught up. The "Walker" kids were creepy as hell. But you had to know what's-her-face was dead the moment she told her daughter she had to go but she'd be back. Valyrian steel's purpose being revealed was cool, but not that surprising. Now the question is can they figure out how to make more or get as much of the existing Valyrian weapons to the Wall as fast as possible? The Hardhome sequence was epic, and the scenes with the giant made me laugh. The obsidian getting burned up sucks, but I don't see it as a big loss. I'll have to re-read, but I don't remember there being a big battle there in the books (sorry, Flab). Nice to see the actual Walkers start to become a real threat and get all sorts of creepy. The staredown with Jon at the end was awesome.
I was wondering if they were still going to send Sam to Old Town or not, but I lean toward the theory that John will send him away from the Wall at some point in these last two episodes. I'm still wondering what role Sam has to play in everything.
Freaking love the interactions between Tyrion and Dany. I just wonder what Jorah's game is. Is he going to attempt to assassinate her at the games? Lover scorned and all that jazz. Still can't wait to see her learn how to control the dragons and go back to Westeros. She's definitely the wild card in all of this, as she should arrive with a HUGE army of Unsullied, Essos commoners, sellswords, and Dothraki. As for Tyrion, he's in his element with the intrigues of court politics. It'll be interesting to see how he improves Dany's ability to rule and if he can figure out the Sons of the Harpy business.
I can't wait to see if Theon really does turn on Ramsay. I think Sansa is starting to break through his Reek identity and reaching what's left of Theon. And the battle at Winterfell between the Boltons and Stannis should be awesome, too.
As I said in the book thread, I'm not overly worried about the changes being made tv-versus-books. While they're definitely getting to the same ending, I think they will do it in relatively different fashions for several reasons. Among them is to keep book readers surprised, but also give us/them a reason to buy the books and read them after the show ends. GRRM isn't putting all the effort into some of the various book subplots just to torpedo them. Sansa and the Vale immediately come to mind. Plus, he can do things in the books that aren't very practical in a tv show format. The Arstan Whitebeard/Barristan Selmy gimmick is a good example. Think of it as driving to a destination but taking separate routes on the trip. Another reason there are so many changes is the sheer amount of minor characters and subplots. Some have to be combined, changed, or eliminated altogether for the tv show's budget to be even semi-reasonable. Having to cast so many little players just to kill them off in 2-3 episodes would get way too expensive in a big hurry. Personally, I expect I'll enjoy both versions for what they are.
Wow. Danny T is officially a badass. And Stanis is a monster.
And John Snow breathed a sigh of relief. I thought for a second the wouldn't be let inside.
That episode got me riled up. Somebody needs to kill Melisandre. She reminds me of the Evil Witch Queen from Kull the Conqueror
You know nothing, John Snow. I figure Sam knew. That's why he left.
What army is circling Kaleesie?
Cersei Lanister. 😮
She used a body double, lol. Her face was CGI'd over the other person's.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlabLoser
I know, I'm a debby downer.
It was interesting how Sam going to the Citadel was backwards from the book. Jon had to convince Sam to leave and get Gilly away from the wall but tonight Sam was begging Jon to leave. Same thing happened but interesting to see a difference from the book and show. I guess without the other baby at the wall in the book it changes the situation.
That was the dothraki army
Kit says he ain't coming back. So, so much for the Jon Snow theory maybe....http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14...dies-interview
It was reported that Kit has already renegotiated his contract for season 7.
Guess we'll have to wait 2 years. Consensus is he won't return for season 6.
I half expected dead Snow's eyes to suddenly turn blue, indicating he's being re-animated by a white walker.
Supposedly Martin now has 2 people helping him with the book. He should get book 6 out but unless he completely changes how he writes, the remake of the show will come out before he finishes book 7 or 8. Whichever he ends on.
the last word he said was GHOST-he warged into Ghost. Might come back in a different body. thus a new actor.Quote:
Originally Posted by mparkerfd20
Makes me lose a lot of respect for her as an actress.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
I think she was noticeably pregnant so a body double was necessary. Seems I heard that anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg